What market valuation metrics / tools / indexes do you use? I ask because I’m at a loss. Hopefully some of you have a firmer grip on where we are than I do. I generally look at return on funds I’ve either owned at one time or follow regularly to try to get a bearing. A few I’ve used as reliable benchmarks in
years past are bleeding now - normally a signal that it’s a good time to buy.
TRRIX -8.7% YTD
PRSIX -9.4% YTD
TRBCX -25% YTD
The above have lagged far behind their historical performance, Other than for the aberrant 2007-2009 severe market turmoil / destruction, I can’t remember anything close to those numbers. (Maybe briefly in March 2020?)
I also monitor the
Dow & the
S&P thinking that:
- a 10% near term drop looks
interesting- a 20% drop looks
inviting- a 30% drop seems
compellingCurrently, the Dow is off 9.25% this year and the S&P down 13.3%.
However, this time it may be different. The conundrum of higher inflation, Fed tightening, war in Europe may have tilted the tables so that past indicators are no longer reliable.
Here’s an old thread from last October about
Buying the Dip recovered from the trash bin. In it I commented:
“I’ll bet you a nickel the Dow closes below 34,000 again at some future point this year.” I was wrong. The Dow stayed above that level thru December 31. However, we all know where it’s gone this year. The Dow closed at
32,977 Friday.
Anyone using some of their dry powder ? Don’t have much dry powder. Have a small limit order in place (adding to existing equity holding) for Monday’s open. Might add bit more if markets become “unglued” early in the week. A 7% weighting in TAIL helped Friday as it rose about 2%. Overall, portfolio was down in line with my tracker.
Carrying dry powder has been expensive in recent years with the very low rates of return. Expecting some fireworks the second half of next week as markets digest the FOMC actions + press conference.
2022 YTD Damage .....Just in general, re: 2022 damage: it's a crazy, volatile year! Nice to see TODAY, but there's a downside coming, always, and it 's seldom been mild, in '22 so far. I'm watching Natgas... Since uncle Vladimir the pus-licker shut off Poland and Bulgaria. Not his biggest markets, of course. He's sending a signal. Maybe it will finally prompt the EU to stop their typical dithering and actually coalesce in order to DECIDE about something, and then (God forbid!) DO it! Creation of the EU is a smart thing, rather than go to war every 20-30 years against each other. But the bureaucracy is insane.
Musk to Buy Twitter Some analysis from Tuesday’s Wall Street Journal (4/27/22):
“Now he faces fresh challenges. Mr. Musk has hocked roughly $60 billion of his Tesla Inc. stock—about one third of his stake—as collateral for bank loans, tying his personal fortune to Twitter’s. He must come up with $21 billion more in cash, which could mean selling additional shares in Tesla, just as the company is hitting its stride. Tesla shares have lost about 8% since Mr. Musk first disclosed a Twitter stake, suggesting investors are worried he will be distracted or financially stretched. Twitter will be saddled with hundreds of millions of dollars in annual interest payments, a risk for any company but especially in this case, as Mr. Musk has said he doesn’t care whether it makes money—it has had trouble doing so over the years.”
I share all the concerns mentioned in this thread. But I wouldn’t want to bet against this guy. He’s usually 3 steps ahead of everybody else. That said, SpaceX and Tesla came darned close to failing before he turned them around thru grit and perseverance. Worth remembering that Musk was co-founder of what is now PayPal where he made his initial millions - a revolutionary concept at the time. I’m thinking he views Twitter as primarily a launching platform for all kinds of innovative / lucrative ventures into finance and media which we haven’t even begun to comprehend yet. Why does the already wealthiest person on the planet need even more money? Imagine the cost of establishing a permanent human colony on Mars - his ultimate goal.
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Cathie Wood’s Flagship Fund is Down … Money is Still Flowing. WSJ TQQQ = 3X leverage QQQ. Some would accept hitting a home run once every 5 years.
2022 YTD Damage @MikeM - Yep. As you know the miners don’t always run in sync with the metal. I’ve held mining fund OPGSX for
years and haven’t bought or sold any for about a year. Dead flat in my case. Lipper shows it up about 1% YTD, but down 5% for a full year.
Gold flirted with $2,000 the past month than fell to around $1900 recently. Has been below $1800 during the past 12-15 months. Have a bit in mining company WPM. So, when I want to add or cut exposure to the miners it’s easier to buy or sell WPM than messing with a mutual fund & the restrictions they impose.
Haven’t held bullion, but PRPFX does.
Fidelity will start offering bitcoin as an investment option in 401(k) accounts @rforno Capital International Group has a 560M stake and Blackrock a 700M stake in MSTR. MSTR owns almost 1% of all available Bitcoin at a low cost basis. While I'm not a personal fan of leveraging Bitcoin to buy more Bitcoin (as they have recently in a big way), it's being done with full board approval and transparently. I don't like their debt to equity ratio.
It's a software company that generates huge cash flow that instead of placing that cash in a bank and earning negative interest, they buy Bitcoin. So far, that gamble has paid off handsomely. Free cash flow has grown dramatically in the last couple of
years. The point I was trying to make is the direct correlation of MSTR to Bitcoin with lower costs.
To MSTR, Bitcoin is just a better store of value. I do own a tiny bit.
@Anna imho my answers are: No, No, Depends if you meant speculative vs. contrarian.