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@LewisBraham: This is not always so, though I see the case you're making. Over the years, I've come across shareholder petitions from Orders of nuns to promote one thing or another, and Management ignores them. (...Because...? No one else gives a shit?) Interaction by shareholders with Management in order to lobby for more socially responsible policies on the part of the company might work, sometimes. Yet several denominations have finally chosen to divest from companies making money in connection with the continued Israeli occupation of Palestine. HP, Caterpillar, Motorola, just to name a few. Because Management simply ignored the questions and petitions, offered from within the company structure. Boycotts and divestment are always a last resort. But they have been resorted to. Everyone knows about the Montgomery, Alabama bus boycott...What's interesting and not many people understand is there are two important kinds of socially responsible investing. In one version, many call the old model, certain sectors are completely excluded from the portfolio--oil, weapons, tobacco, etc. These are so-called exclusionary screens. In another kind every sector is included, but the fund ranks the stocks in each sector on ESG criteria and chooses only those that rank the highest while excluding the lowest. So for instance oil companies will still be in the portfolio but only those that rank the highest in ESG.
The former older exclusionary model studies have shown can match the market or slightly lags it. The latter model which ranks on ESG actually has outperformed the market over time. Companies that do good do well performance-wise. However, there is another step that I think can take an ESG oriented fund to the the next level. If a socially responsible fund is going to for instance own oil companies, it should I believe also engage with corporate management to improve its ESG record, voting for shareholder proposals that would force oil companies to disclose more of their climate risks. It should even file proposals itself. This would be in accord with the values of most of the shareholders who buy socially responsible funds. I think divestment as many universities do actually is less of an socially responsible approach than shareholder engagement. Challenge CEOs to do better. The market actually rewards them for doing so.
There absolutely has been strong evidence for many years:There is no strong evidence that supports ESG outperforming.
I believe Treasury bonds, savings bonds and municipal bonds are all investments in the government and have managed to generate returns for investors for many years.If investments were truly socially responsible, then they wouldn't invest in anything related to capitalism. Therefore the only thing left to invest in is government. But no profits, dividends or capital gains there.
The part that always bothered me is he'll go on CNBC or do an interview with Barron's and he'll say stuff that's totally true at the moment he says it. Unfortunately he might change his mind overnight and not only doesn't anyone know that but there's not much effort made by these media organizations to be transparent about it other than the standard legal blah-blah disclosures that not many pay any attention to. I guess most people wouldn't trade based on anything he says but I "pity da fool" who does.
+1Again, about keeping DODGX and M* accountable for a clear standard.
The webpage of D&C states (as of June 30), 10 year returns 5.89% - compared with S&P 7.18%. Let's please not search for excuses for underperformance. Without discussing the yearly tax cost of 0.98%.
In relation to the fund performance during the past 5-years, more volatile funds that missed in the downside in 2007-2008, typically have better returns in the more recent period. For this reason I tend not to rely on 5-year returns.
What is different about DODGX (in relation to other outstanding funds!) is that its returns, after the 07-08 underperformance, were not adequate for the fund to catch up with the S&P.
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