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  • JPMorgan Hedged Equity -JHQDX (JHQAX)
    Howdy @hank
    Just fiddl'in here. I compared a few of the previously mentioned funds; being JHQAX , SPY (baseline), TMSRX and ABRZX.
    Each chart is a 6 month before and after using SPY as the benchmark; at its low price during the period.
    Chart 1 compare (July 2, 2018-July 3, 2019) is for the Xmas eve market melt in 2018. The SPY high in this period was about Oct. 3, 2018 and time frame low was on Dec. 24.
    For SPY, the high to low was -19.2%.
    CHART 1
    Chart 2 is the Covid melt period, being from Sept. 20, 2019-Sept. 20, 2020. The SPY high in this period was about Feb. 19, 2020 and time frame low was on March 23, 2020.
    For SPY, the high to low was -33.7%.
    CHART 2
    Following the charts to the right edge, one may view the recovery price date area and to the far right edge; performance for 6 months after the low price for each entry.
    Pillow time here.
    Remain curious,
    Catch
  • JPMorgan Hedged Equity -JHQDX (JHQAX)
    @hank,
    You say, "With due respect, I do not find your analysis of the inner workings or risk mitigation features of this fund far superior to mine", though I did not question your analysis of the fund or the relevance of your post. The information included in my OP, which you quoted, is what I considered to be relevant for the questions I posed / help I sought. I consider posters' time valuable and try to get to the point. (There is an off topic thread for entertainment.) Many posters in this thread provided very specific information and help with what I sought. Many, Many thanks to them. Perhaps, I should have thanked them sooner and closed the thread.
    For me, posting in this forum is not a competition or to establish my personal presence. I suggested readers to go to the fund site (source) for getting fund holdings information, which is data science 101; while you happen to ask readers to go to third party sites for the same information. I am not interested in your personal relationship with these third party sites but I specifically chose not to quote your related post to give certain level of deference (politeness) and I wanted to make sure the thread is back on track.
    Have a nice day!
  • Asset protection suggestions- Trusts, Family Ptrships, Equity Stripping, etc.
    Brokerages do not seem to designate Rolledover Roths as such. All the brokerages I know just have Roth IRA but no Rollover Roth IRA and Roth 401(k) funds are rolled over to a Roth IRA account. Why is there this distinction between Traditional vs Roth at brokerage level? Do rolledover Roth 401(k) funds not receive the same protection as rolledover 401(k) funds?
    Why no rollover Roth IRAs? Likely because of the sequence of changes in the law.
    Sometimes called a “rollover IRA,” a conduit IRA holds only retirement plan rollover assets. These Traditional IRAs were established to temporarily hold retirement plan rollover assets, such as savings in a 401(k) or profit sharing plan. By segregating the assets, the individual can later move the savings back to another retirement plan and retain certain tax benefits. If the individual makes other types of IRA contributions, such as regular IRA contributions, the IRA loses its conduit status.
    https://www.cuinsight.com/value-conduit-ira.html
    This is supported by old Pub 590s. See, e.g. the 2000 version, p. 17.
    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/p590--2000.pdf
    So originally there was a need for "pure" (untainted) conduit IRAs, and brokerages tagged IRAs as such. The Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA) did away with this need. It allows employer plans to accept transfers from IRAs regardless of whether the assets originated in other employer plans.
    Here's the current IRS chart of permitted transfers: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/rollover_chart.pdf
    EGTRRA also created Roth 401(k)s; before this they did not exist. (They didn't come into existence until even later, in 2006.) So by the time Roth 401(k)s were created, there was no longer a need for conduit IRAs. Thus no need for brokerages to tag Roth IRAs as rollovers.
    As to unlimited BAPCPA bankruptcy protection, that is something that applies to assets that originate in employer plans. There's no distinction between between Roth assets and traditional assets. This may be inferred from the absence of "Roth" in the text of BAPCPA.
    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-109publ8/html/PLAW-109publ8.htm
  • Best Biotech Fund?
    Biotech stocks, not necessarily the technology itself, vastly outperformed the market and the healthcare indices from the GFC through 2015. Since then, it has been hard to make money consistently in the sector. I've tried, but not successfully. Cathie Wood has been burned on IONS, a stock I hope to see recover after tax-loss selling, but it's no sure thing. M* is very positive on the stock, rating it very undervalued. Same for INCY.
    @Bobby: I think it's laudable to add to a fund that has been punished by fickle investors. I have a decent chunk in BHCFX, to which I've added this Fall.
    The biotech CEF, HQL, has been pummeled with the assets declining to the point where the fund trades at a small discount, whereas it has traded at a usual discount of around 8%. I see this discount shrinkage as quite unusual because it is not due to increased demand for the shares.
  • JPMorgan Hedged Equity -JHQDX (JHQAX)
    JHQAX (reviewed series) annual distributions have been about 1% (though M* shows the fund has about 40% annual turnover). My thought was to put it in a taxable account. The inevitable question is, how tax risky is it to put it in a taxable account? It seems this fund provides a 15% downside protection, if S&P 500 falls 20% or more (no protection for first 5% loss). In a choppy, sideways market, it could lose more than the SPY because of the cost of its option outlays and the Calls written may not fetch as much premium as they have in the past. It would be a tragedy if the fund ends up distributing a lot of cap gains in a year when it is not performing well, which is probably the scenario when it would trigger cap gains because of AUM outflows. Prior to November 2021, the only month of net outflows was March 2020. The other month of net outflows was November 2021, which was a surprise to me. What do its shareholders expect from it? What would constitute "not performing well" for this fund? I do not know the psychological make up of a typical investor in this fund as it is not a mainstream strategy. (May be I should head over to the Bogleheads forum and see if there is an interest there for this strategy - I am told those guys tend to be buy and holders!)
    As an aside, its performance from inception (2014) until the beginning of Covid is about the same (more or less) as a good high yield fund but bond funds had falling rates as a tail wind - may be not a fair comparison.
    Please share your reasonable comments / thoughts.
    With due respect, I do not find your analysis of the inner workings or risk mitigation features of this fund far superior to mine. I trust Lipper, The Financial Times and other sources referenced to be fact based. It’s not about speaking with God or not. It’s about delving into the workings of a fund that promotes itself as a safer alternative to many competitive investments. It may well be that. What’s wrong with poking and prodding a bit before sending your hard earned money?
  • Asset protection suggestions- Trusts, Family Ptrships, Equity Stripping, etc.
    IRA protections by states for contributory IRAs.
    https://assetprotectionplanners.com/planning/ira-by-state/
    The table provides info for traditional IRA and Roth IRA which leads me to the following:. Brokerages do not seem to designate Rolledover Roths as such. All the brokerages I know just have Roth IRA but no Rollover Roth IRA and Roth 401(k) funds are rolled over to a Roth IRA account. Why is there this distinction between Traditional vs Roth at brokerage level? Do rolledover Roth 401(k) funds not receive the same protection as rolledover 401(k) funds?
  • When good transactions go bad - T. Rowe Price + Vanguard
    @Sven, My last post is about asset transfers in general and I did not have TRP in mind while posting. My thoughts about TRP are already expressed in my first post in this thread.
    I own TRP funds both at TRP (from a 401(k) rollover) and outside. I will wait for a year or so before deciding if I transferring assets to participate in Summit program would be worthwhile. I try not to be the first mover to allow the service provider time to iron out any kinks ( same with buying new products). The ER between investor class and institutional class for TRP funds is not that much. Also, if I avoid making one irrational / emotional choice in a year, that would result in a much bigger saving than all the proactive savings I can make in that year. So, not in a hurry.
  • Asset protection suggestions- Trusts, Family Ptrships, Equity Stripping, etc.
    and you do have to file a separate partnership tax return on March 15 that is hard
    Single member LLCs may be treated as "disregarded entities" by the IRS; they have no partnership tax returns to file.
    https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/single-member-limited-liability-companies
    As Nolo writes, in some states single member LLCs may provide a lesser level of asset protection than multiple member LLCs. But it varies by state, and if yours is a state where there's no difference, then why bring extra paperwork and a partner into the mix?
    An LLC provides the same protection as a corporation against creditors of the business. However, there is some uncertainty as to whether a [single member LLC] SMLLC member will receive the same protection from liability that members of an LLC with multiple members receive. While the law is clear in most states, this is still an evolving issue.
    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/single-member-llcs.html
    Courts in a few states have found that the charging order protection that exists for LLCs does not apply with SMLLs because there are no co-owners to protect. These cases created a great deal of uncertainty in other states with similar charging order protection laws. In response, several states amended their LLC laws to make it clear that SMLLCs are entitled to the same protection from creditors as multi-member LLCs
    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/llc-asset-protection-charging-orders.html
  • Asset protection suggestions- Trusts, Family Ptrships, Equity Stripping, etc.
    Yep, inherited T-IRAs are not protected as they lose connection to the protected T-IRA.
    Also note that I have been careful mentioning only T-IRAs (not IRAs generically) as R-IRAs also lose connection to protected T-IRAs after Roth Conversion(s).
    R-IRA that has only Roth 401k/403b or after-tax 401k/403b money should be protected.
  • Asset protection suggestions- Trusts, Family Ptrships, Equity Stripping, etc.
    As we're looking at protection given to rollovers by the BAPCPA, we're talking about bankruptcy proceedings. Some retirement assets (employer plans, money rolled into IRAs, another $1.36+M in IRAs) are protected, but this money becomes fair game if it's withdrawn before the case is decided/settled.
    It is generally a bad idea to withdraw from a 401(k) or other retirement account or try to “cash-out” the account for any purpose since the money becomes income and is no longer exempt in your bankruptcy.
    https://kretzerfirm.com/what-happens-to-your-401k-or-ira-in-bankruptcy/
    So you're free to manage (reallocate) your protected assets while the case is ongoing. But if you withdraw money, it becomes just as subject to being frozen as money that was never protected.
    ---
    Any IRA money that a debtor claims in good faith to be rollover money is considered exempt (protected). It's up to the bankruptcy trustee to prove otherwise.
    One gets this protection, best practices or not. Nevertheless, following best practices (and having the statements to prove it) would likely dissuade a trustee from objecting to the exemption, depending on the amount of money involved.
    The Court Must Construe Exemptions Liberally In Favor Of the Debtor, And The Trustee Bears The Burden Of Proof Here.
    ... Properly exempted property is not available to pay the claims of the debtor's creditors. The Court must construe the claim of exemption in the Recipient IRA liberally in favor of the Debtor. [citations omitted.] And the Trustee, as the party objecting to a claim of exemption, bears the burden of proving that the Debtor improperly claims this exemption. [citations omitted.]
    https://www.casb.uscourts.gov/sites/casb/files/documents/opinions/09_15148.pdf
    While I think this is still correct, take it with a grain of salt. It's from a decision not for publication, and at least one part of the decision was subsequently overturned by a unanimous Supreme Court: As of 2014 inherited IRAs do not get the same protection because they are not regarded as retirement accounts. But they did in this earlier 2010 case.
  • VHCOX lost its' touch?
    The dominant effect of the FAANG stocks over the S&P500 magnified even more after spring 2020. There was a short period (winter 2020 thru summer 2021) where the market broadened to allow the cyclical value stocks to out-perform (large and small caps). Now the large cap growth stocks have returned. My smaller cap funds are trailing their larger cap funds.
  • 2021 capital gains distribution estimates (mutual funds and ETFs)
    I updated the TIAA links today. The original TIAA links provided have been amended to reflect the changes in the distribution amounts. The original amounts were based on 9/30/21 figures; the newest amounts are based on 10/31/21 figures.
    I generally do not go back and edit the old links as it is very time consuming. Generally, I leave it up to the readers to go check the new amounts once the old links become obsolete.
    I did update the Vanguard link since it now includes ETFs.
  • Asset protection suggestions- Trusts, Family Ptrships, Equity Stripping, etc.
    Both of the lawyers I talked to over several years, told me that 401ks are protected, but did not mention contributory IRAs are more vulnerable.
    ...
    For 401k/403b assets rolled into T-IRA, most of the protections of 401k/403b carryover to T-IRA.
    For regular T-IRAs with personal contributions, only state-level protections apply and they range from nil/low to generous. So, check your state rule. Then there are issues such as what if you moved?
    So, it is best NOT to mix 401k/403b rollovers with personal contributions - that results in mixed/tainted T-IRA. Some argue that courts may sort out which contributions came from 401k/403b and which from personal contributions and apply protections appropriately. But then the T-IRA in question may be frozen while the court and lawyers sort this out, and who will pay them to sort this out? Probably you. So, why create this mess?
    It is also true that the broker may create a Rollover T-IRA when you first transfer 410k/403b funds, but they may not care what happens after that. YOU will have to keep it pure - i.e. put in more funds from other 401k/403b only, but not any personal contributions.
  • Asset protection suggestions- Trusts, Family Ptrships, Equity Stripping, etc.
    Both of the lawyers I talked to over several years, told me that 401ks are protected, but did not mention contributory IRAs are more vulnerable.
    An Umbrella policy increases the liability limit on your current homeowner's and auto insurance. Good to have but read the fine print on what is covered. Medical bills unless from a car accident or injury on property are not.
    As I understand it anyone obtaining a judgement against your LLC assets cannot demand distributions from it, other than the distributions that the LLC makes anyway. Thus you the manger are not required to pay off such a creditor, but I think that creditor can share in any distributions that are made. It does make it more complicated and expensive for someone to try to attach your assets.
    It is pretty easy to set up and costs around $1000 but I would use a competent lawyer, not do it yourself. Another advantage to an LLC holding your investments is that the LLC can deduct expenses like investment expenses. You should not use it to pay any expenses that are not directly related to the investments, and you do have to file a separate partnership tax return on March 15 that is hard, but not impossible to do with TurboTax Business. If you use a CPA it will cost several hundred dollars.
    Many states require an LLC to file an annual report and some require a fairly high annual fee ( up to $500), so check carefully.
    There are other entities I have heard of ( Delaware companies, offshore companies) that are even more protective but much more expensive to maintain.
  • JPMorgan Hedged Equity -JHQDX (JHQAX)
    Thanks everyone for excellent discussion. A quick cursory glance at JHQAX reveals a few insights:
    At Lipper, it scores in the highest percentile pretty much across the board. MaxFunds rates this outstanding (97%). The site estimates the fund’s “worst case” as -35% in a year compared to -30% for TMSRX. Lipper gives it a very low beta - but higher than TMSRX. A couple places to check downside are 2018 Qtr. 4 and 2020 Qtr 1. For both it bested equities by a lot, loosing roughly 5%. TMSRX held up slightly better, loosing 3-4%. 5 year performance (JHQAX) is much higher than any alternative funds I own - though the lifetime is shorter. I’ve recently researched funds using put / call options (which this fund claims to use) and have a positive take on them, generally, for defense in what appears a frothy market. Puts, in particular, protect. So far so good.
    When I compare holdings on Lipper this fund comes up as mostly equities (98%) and appears heavily loaded with the FANG-types that have led the market higher (ie: Tesla, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon). I can’t see evidence of substantial use of derivatives / shorts. Best guess* is that it’s 90% or more long - but could be wrong. When I look at holdings for a couple alternatives I use (ABRZX, TMSRX) the numbers are “flakey” - showing very low equity levels and high cash or Treasury bond levels. Such (“mixed / skewed”) readings are more typical of “non-correlated” funds which seek to protect against prolonged equity declines thru extensive use of derivatives. (Funds leaning on put & call options often reveal 90% Treasury bond exposure.) One more I looked at is HSGFX - a bit of a turkey. However, Hussman’s 50/50 positioning of equities and bonds is telling (likely reflects substantial use of puts & calls). So … while appealing in a lot of ways, I’m not ready to buy this one as an “alternative” fund replacement yet. Still - I understand the appeal and will follow this one closely.
    Worth looking at: https://markets.ft.com/data/funds/tearsheet/summary?s=JHQAX
    * If you click the “Assets & Holdings“ tab at the top of the FT link above, it will show the fund 97+% long equity and 0% short.
  • Asset protection suggestions- Trusts, Family Ptrships, Equity Stripping, etc.
    Generally speaking, umbrella policies don't cover health care.
    Umbrella insurance doesn’t cover your own injuries or property damage — you’ll need other types of coverage for that (such as health insurance or collision coverage on your auto insurance).
    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/insurance/umbrella-insurance
    That's not to say there's no such thing as umbrella health insurance, just that at best it's quite uncommon.
    IMHO umbrella policies are excellent "investments" for liability protection. They're inexpensive largely because they're rarely needed. This is because they require you to carry a fair amount of underlying coverage. They're also reasonably priced because they're simple products. You're only paying for the added insurance, not for bells and whistles.
    The good news regarding getting hit by a $1.5M medical bill either because the hospital used out of network providers ("surprise bills") or insisted that you pay what your insurance did not ("balance billing") is that there's a new federal rule prohibiting or severely restricting these practices. It goes into effect Jan 1. Some states already provide these protections.
    [I know someone who got hit with a $500K balance bill in a state with protections. They wrote a note to the assisting(!) physician who presented this bill, filed a simple form with the state government, and never heard from the doctor again.]
    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/07/01/hhs-announces-rule-to-protect-consumers-from-surprise-medical-bills.html
  • When good transactions go bad - T. Rowe Price + Vanguard
    Even when one is transferring an entire account, I think it is useful to transfer in more than one tranche and transferring in-kind. The one potential exception is money in the sweep account. At some brokerages the sweep account is their own money market fund and so asking to transfer 100% of cash would force the transferring brokerage to liquidate the money market fund and transfer cash. On the other hand, if one were to ask the entire account to be transferred, the sweep money market might be transferred too, requiring one to liquidate it at the receiving brokerage - thus, potentially delaying settled cash. Make sure to negotiate upfront reimbursement of all transaction fee required to liquidate assets received in-kind.
  • who couldn't live with ~5% a year?
    It’s very likely most here have thru our investments achieved rates of return that far exceeded the rate of inflation for at least the past decade. So I, for one, don’t feel compelled to take extra risk now just because the rate of inflation has bumped higher. But I agree that over longer periods it’s important to stay ahead of inflation.
    Used to listen to Ramsey years ago. Enjoy a variety of perspectives and his is one worth considering (although don’t recall his mentioning ELP). 12% a year? Ambitious in today’s environment. As always, risk assumed should be commensurate with one’s tolerance level, situation, time horizon, etc.