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  • The Breakfast Briefing: U.S. Stocks Poised For A Return To Winning Ways
    @Old_Skeet & MFO Members: Article ties in with your keen observation about the market being overpriced.
    Regards,
    Ted
    Investors In This Market No Longer Respect Valuations
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/investors-in-this-market-no-longer-respect-valuations-2016-07-22/print
  • The Breakfast Briefing: U.S. Stocks Poised For A Return To Winning Ways
    Hi @Ted,
    Thanks for posting these daily blurbs. I enjoy reading them form time-to-time along with their spin.
    Under reading the above US take ... it seems to me ... if stocks were to return to their winning ways then their rolling twelve month earnings number would be rising year over year and ahead of last years. All in reported earnings (TTM) for the S&P 500 Index closed out this past June at about $90.02 according to my Standard & Poors tracking. At the first of this year all in reported earnings (TTM) were projected to come in at $109.82 but actually came in as reported at $90.02 through June. This is a considerable miss in my book for a year ago as they came in at $94.90; and, with this, they fell short of their previously year's number by about $4.88.
    I truly love the way some authors (and even Wall Street), at times, can put spin on things.
    There might be some that are hyped up about the recent maket surge in it's price; but, if one looks at fundamentals we are currently back of where we were a year ago from an earnings perspective. As a seasoned retail investor I buy more from an earnings perspective and not as much from a price perspective. Stocks are indeed richly priced and not as a good of a buy today as they were a year ago.
    Well let us just say, I did not drink their kool-aid on this one.
  • Return a previous withdrawal back to ROTH IRA.
    The 60d rollover rule changed in 2015: it's now one per year, period, no matter how many accounts you own.
    For the OP, if you're beyond the 60 days or have already done a rollover within the last year, I'm not familiar with what you can do, but nothing beats getting to know the IRA rules directly from the source.
    The relevant publication, Pub 590 on all things IRA, has been split into 590-A, Contributions, and 590-B, Distributions, which you can download from the IRS site or request as paper copies by mail.
  • John Waggoner: Ameriprise Tells Clients To Sell OppenheimerFunds Municipal-Bond Funds
    FYI: Ameriprise Financial is telling clients to sell OppenheimerFunds municipal bond funds with big holdings of Puerto Rican debt, adding to the chorus of critics of the funds' holdings.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20160721/FREE/160729978?template=printart
  • High-Yield Bonds Are Now Too High-Risk For Your Money
    FYI: If you think the stock market has bounced nicely, the junk bond rebound has displayed just as much vigor.
    From its recent low on February 11 through July 12, the Bank of America Merrill Lynch U.S. High Yield Total Return Index is up a blistering 18%. Unfortunately the margin of safety in junk bonds may have disappeared for now.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/high-yield-bonds-are-now-too-high-risk-for-your-money-2016-07-22/print
  • Return a previous withdrawal back to ROTH IRA.
    From Zack's:
    60-Day Rule - In and Out
    The IRS allows you to borrow money from your Roth (or traditional) IRA without consequences as long as you replace the funds within 60 days of receiving them. The action is considered as a rollover, in this case, from one account to the same account. You can only undertake this rollover once per calendar year per account. So, if you own six Roth IRAs, you can borrow from each one -- abiding by the 60-day rule -- once every 12 months.
    Derf
  • Return a previous withdrawal back to ROTH IRA.
    I withdrew a sum of money from a Roth IRA last spring and now would like to return the funds back to the Roth IRA. The funds I withdrew were from my investment in the Roth. So I should not be subject to the 10% penalty. I have not reviewed the Roth IRA rules for some time. So was wondering if there have been any changes that would allow a redeposit of funds in this ROTH.
    Your help or suggestions would be appreciated.
    Thanks
    Gary
  • Among Active Managers Patience Is The Principal Virtue
    Hi Guys,
    The three Ps work wonders. From long gone famous motivational speaker and writer Napoleon Hill: “Patience, persistence, and perspiration make an unbeatable combination for success”.
    The referenced article makes a case for a patient fund manager who allows his stock buys to perform over time using a low turnover ratio portfolio approach. These days, many fund managers demonstrate their impatience with average holding periods of less than one year. That increases trading costs with uncertain impacts on bottom-line performance. Often these same funds have high expense ratios to support the necessary research to make frequent buy/sell decisions.
    That’s a double whammy for fund clients. SPIVA studies persistently demonstrate that active funds often fall short when compared to Index benchmarks, These excessive costs contribute to the shortfalls, Here is a Link to a recent 2015 SPIVA study that shows the persistence of that shortfall:
    http://us.spindices.com:80/documents/spiva/spiva-us-midyear-2015.pdf
    The annual numbers change but the conclusions are invariant over time. And they become more conclusive as the timeframe expands.
    But the double whammy converts to a triple whammy when the impatience and the fickleness of private investors encourage them to abandon their fund selections far too early. Morningstar data show that investors do not receive the returns of the actively managed funds that they choose. Their timing is horrible. Here is the Link to the Morningstar Fact Sheet that describes their methodology::
    http://corporate.morningstar.com/us/documents/PR/Investorreturnsfactsheet.pdf
    All these findings support a primary argument for an Indexing portfolio construction. But exceptions do exist, and a few active fund managers have shown discipline with lower turnover ratios and superior stock selections to overcome the cost drags. That’s why my portfolio has a mix of both Index and actively managed mutual funds and ETFs.
    And going the Indexing route also lowers the perspiration aspects of portfolio construction and maintenance, Worry is reduced since return volatility will be somewhat reduced and outcomes will tend to converge towards market rewards. Remember that the overall actively managed fund return distribution curves are very much asymmetrical with a measurable heavier weighting in the below average direction.
    One frightful thought here: I believe I’m thinking and writing like a slightly younger John Bogle. On second thought, maybe that’s not too bad, especially the age factor.
    Patience is forever a positive, principal virtue, an especially fruitful one in the investing world.
    Best Wishes.
  • Why Investors Are Stuck In The Middle
    "I suspect Ms. Yellen and associated folks just shake their heads on some days."
    @Catch22- For sure. Ms. Yellin strikes me as one who is pretty resilient and one who keeps her eyes open. I'd be very surprised if she was proceeding with "head up and locked", as the old aviation saying goes. Frankly, very glad to have someone of her caliber at the controls.
    I agree with your list of potential factors which may likely impact financial modes going forward. That's one hell of a lot of chickens looking for a place to roost:
    ---technology
    ---central bank policy(s)
    ---demographics (baby boomers and the young with low education and low paying jobs)
    ---jobs/wage growth (being jobs of consequence, monetary)
    ---ongoing affects upon personal budgets since the market melt
    ---societal unrest
    ---pension funds, life insurance companies (many underfunded and scratching for returns.

    I suspect that future historians will regard the first quarter of the 21st century as a significant inflection point in the course of world history, as was much of the nineteenth century.
    Take care- OJ
  • Why Investors Are Stuck In The Middle
    Hi @MJG , @Junkster , @Old_Joe
    MJG, you noted:
    1. "Your suggestion that “This Time is Different” rests on shaky grounds. Anyone who plays that investment style better have deep pockets and some evil desire to commit investing hari-kari. Deep pockets because it doesn’t happen all that often, and in the long run it is a Loser’s Game." and
    2. "Perhaps it is different this time and outstanding bond returns will continue to challenge equities as your post suggests that as a possibility. I consider those long odds, and I do not accept that likelihood. Taking that position is dangerous; it’s a very long shot. Anyone who does accept that shot will be either a hero or a clown."
    Not sure readers here will find clarity with the two bolds above, eh? I suppose the risk is the clarity. MJG, not picking on you; only referencing what you stated.
    As I write this, I consider a new thread might be appropriate just for "this time is different, eh?"
    I've noted the "TTID" thought here several times since the market melt. I am not trained in any formal fashion to speak or write about this thought to be taken as serious or that I could fully prove what I sense.
    NOTE: We subject our investing to include, among other criteria, a reliance on memory(s). My retained or at least surface memory seems elusive too many times. I'm not one who can name a book and a page within which contains a particular quote. My brain plainly doesn't work this way. As long as this house remains active investors, I/we have to have our brains "into" the market places and outside influences, at a minimum of weekly observations, to help define pricing trends of the short, mid and longer terms. When the passion for this ebbs, VWINX or a similar fund will likely have all of the monies.
    Rolling through my thoughts at this time are several item areas relative to investing at this house.
    ---technology
    ---central bank policy(s)
    ---demographics (baby boomers and the young with low education and low paying jobs)
    ---jobs/wage growth (being jobs of consequence, monetary)
    ---ongoing affects upon personal budgets since the market melt
    ---societal unrest
    ---pension funds, life insurance companies (many underfunded and scratching for returns.....as in hedge funds, alt. investments, etc.)
    I'll comment only about technology, as related to labor force in the U.S. Technology will continue to negatively pressure the labor force in the U.S. relative to higher wages on a broad scale. As the U.S. currently remains a consumer driven economy, this will likely have a continued affect on GDP and many of the other measures used by the economic folks. This in turn may cause central banks to maintain an easy money policy longer than they choose. This may continue to affect those who don't trust or are not invested in the markets otherwise (boomers and their CD's).
    I suspect Ms. Yellen and associated folks just shake their heads on some days. Some of these folks are also relying on past charts, graphs and trends. This isn't necessary bad, but I hope they are also flexible and adaptable and not locked into past habits. 'Course there are a whole bunch of folks who haven't a clue to what may be taking place with their invested money. This same group will likely only be able to rely upon some of this money for their retirement future. If a "this time is different" lasts for 5 or 10 years or; investment returns will be affected. K. I'm too hot from outside work in a steamy Michigan environment right now. I'm going to quit this for now to cool the brain cells, as they may not be allowing me to express here properly. Not my best day for attempting to write concise thoughts.
    Thank you to everyone for prior comments.
    Our current investment mix: IG bonds = 52%, Equity = 48%
    Bonds
    ---all investment grade U.S., corp. and gov't.
    Equity sector breakdown
    ---direct healthcare related 44.6%
    ---U.S. centered 24.4% (blend)
    ---European 17.2%
    ---real estate 13.8%
    Regards,
    Catch
  • The overvaluation in junk bonds is staggering so says the "expert"
    So says the the guru that proclaimed junk bonds were in extreme valuation back in February. A *lot* of upside since February and all time highs nearly everyday this month. Like all gurus and experts, Mr Fridson will be proven correct at some point and the market will react accordingly. But exactly when in the distant future will this occur?? As an aside, have been posting over at Bogleheads lately. It is a little more heavily policed over there. Makes you appreciate David's more tolerant handling of the postings here at MFO. But overall, I enjoy the Bogelhead forum, especially all the discussions on retirement.
    http://blogs.barrons.com/incomeinvesting/2016/07/19/fridson-post-brexit-high-yield-overvaluation-is-staggering/?mod=BOL_hp_blog_ii
    Veteran high yield analyst Marty Fridson, chief investment officer of Lehmann Livian Fridson Advisors, used the word “staggering” in his analysis of high yield overvaluation Tuesday.
    http://wolfstreet.com/2015/04/23/strategy-will-succeed-until-it-fails-junk-bond-guru-marty-fridson/
    “The extreme overvaluation of the high-yield market, initially observed in February, persisted in March,” Martin Fridson, Chief Investment Officer of Lehmann Livian Fridson Advisors, wrote in his column on S&P Capital IQ/LCD. Based on the firm’s econometric modeling methodology, junk bonds have been overvalued, though not at this extreme level, since mid-2012:
  • Fund Focus: Jensen Quality Growth Fund
    FYI: If you want to dial back risk while maintaining exposure to the stock market, consider the $5 billion Jensen Quality Growth fund (ticker: JENSX ). During the stock market’s last collapse, in 2008, the fund fell 29% while the average large-cap growth fund tumbled more than 40%. Over the past three years, the fund has returned 12% annually, edging out the Standard & Poor’s 500 and beating 84% of large-growth fund peers. The fund has been on a tear more recently, returning 10.8% year-to-date, beating the S&P 500’s 7.3% gain while outperforming 99% of its large-growth fund peers.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.barrons.com/articles/todays-top-5-stock-picks-fund-beating-99-of-peers-1469009156#printMode
    M* Snapshot JENSX:
    http://www.morningstar.com/funds/XNAS/JENSX/quote.html
    Lipper Snapshot JENSX:
    http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/Fund/JENSX
    JENSX Is Ranked #13 In The (LCG) Fund Category By U.S. News & World Report:
    http://money.usnews.com/funds/mutual-funds/large-growth/jensen-quality-growth-fund/jensx
  • Q& A With Spencer Jakab , Author, Heads I Win, Tails I Win
    FYI: Spencer Jakab has put his experience—first as a stock analyst, and now as investment columnist for the Wall Street Journal—into a new how-to book called Heads I Win, Tails I Win that helps investors figure out what they are doing wrong, and how they could “tilt the odds” in their favor.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.etf.com/sections/features-and-news/spencer-jakab-qa?nopaging=1
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    https://www.amazon.com/Heads-Win-Tails-Smart-Investors/dp/0399563202/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1469098348&sr=8-1&keywords=heads+i+win+tails+i+win+by+spencer+jakab
  • Why Investors Are Stuck In The Middle
    MJG I think you missed my point. This has nothing to do with the *performance* of stocks vs. bonds. Just the unthinkable and this time it really was different as 1958 was a watershed event in that for the first time ever bonds yielded more than stocks.
    The reason for the change in 1958 is being missed. There was a recession, stocks were coming off the effects of the Korean war AND European and Japanese companies were coming up. Don't forget that JFK faced a small recession and strikes for higher wages. Then bond yields went up in the 60s because of the Vietnam war and the beginning of the Great Society.
    Then add in the Brenton Wood agreement - called the gold standard - that required countries to use fiscal and monetary policies to manage exchange rate.
    Nixon wet off the gold standard - inflation, oil crisis and the 60s spending caused the 80's peak in bond interest rates.
    The reason for the decline in the treasury interest rates in the 80/90s was in part due to the good economy that caused the worry to decrease. Now it is down because of it is a safe haven and deflation being more of a worry then inflation.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_1958
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_1960–61
  • Why Investors Are Stuck In The Middle
    Hi Guys,
    Thank you all for this stimulating exchange of ideas. I still fail to get excited about the potential long term penetration of the stock and 10-year Treasury dividend yield curves which hasn’t happened since 1957. Even if it does happen over an extended period, so what? Will it generate an apocalyptic market event?
    I doubt it given the large array of other potential market disruptive elements that would have more direct first order impacts. I worry more about the unstable foreign situations, inflation rates, GDP growth rates, EPS statistics, and unemployment numbers. There are always a host of potential damaging factors that could operate to destroy our current and aging Bull market. So I agree with Old Joe; it is a time to be prudent and watchful.
    One frequently applied statistical procedure to measure any impacts caused by any signal event is to test performance immediately before that event and performance after that event. In sports and in the marketplace, that’s easily accomplished since a ton of data is accessible.
    The earlier referenced Stern school data summaries provide some imprecise comparisons. From that summary data, not much has changed since 1966. From 1926-2015, the S&P 500 returned 11.41% annually whereas the 10-year Treasury bond delivered 5.23% annually on average. From 1966-2015 those numbers have been recorded at the 11.01% and 7.12% annual average return, respectively. The relative rewards remain intact over the very long haul after the signal 1957 dividend penetration.
    A more precise comparison can be accessed at the Research Affiliates website. Here is the Link to their more appropriate data sets:
    http://www.researchaffiliates.com/Production content library/IWM_Jan_Feb_2012_Expected_Return.pdf
    In the 10-year 1951-1960 time period, equities delivered 16.3% annually while bonds produced a 2.1% annual return. Following the salient event, in the 1961-1970 timeframe, stocks returned 8.1% and bonds generated a 3.2% return. In the following 1971-1980 decade, stocks again outdistanced bonds by an 8.4% to 4.0% annual average margin. The specific numbers change, but stocks always bettered bonds in total returns. The 1957 event did not alter that general outcome. If it had an impact, it was minor in nature.
    Why worry over the 1957 dividend penetration historical happening when more pressing current worldwide events are much more likely to influence near term market returns? Why worry the unlikely small stuff while ignoring the potential bigger stuff?
    Once again, I thank all participants for this polite, well informed exchange. It was certainly worthwhile for me. Hopefully it served you well also.
    Best Wishes.
  • The Closing Bell: Microsoft Propels Wall Street To New Record Highs
    FYI: U.S. stocks on Wednesday maintained their recent rally toward new closing highs, buoyed by a surge in tech stocks after a flurry of corporate earnings beat the market’s lowered expectations.
    Notably, Morgan Stanley , and Microsoft Corp. , released better-than-feared earnings, boosting the broader benchmarks after disappointing quarterly results from Netflix Inc. on Tuesday led both the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq to finish lower.
    Regards,
    Ted
    WSJ:
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/european-stocks-cautiously-higher-ahead-of-ecb-meeting-thursday-1469000791
    Bloomberg:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-19/asia-stocks-set-for-mixed-start-after-u-s-europe-rallies-pause
    Reuters:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-stocks-idUSKCN1001AT
    MarketWatch:
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-average-set-for-7th-straight-record-as-microsoft-rallies-after-earnings-2016-07-20/print
    USA Today:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/07/20/dow-opens-higher-boosted-microsoft-profit/87332338/
    IBD:
    http://www.investors.com/market-trend/stock-market-today/nasdaq-thrusts-1-6-stocks-that-are-breaking-out-now/
    WSJ Markets At A Glance:
    http://markets.wsj.com/us
    Sector Tracker:
    http://www.sectorspdr.com/sectorspdr/tools/sector-tracker
    Current Futures: Positive
    http://finviz.com/futures.ashx
  • Cash Is King And That’s Good For The Rally
    The same point in a different article:
    Right. You’ve heard it before: this is the “most hated” bullish rally ever, based on the number of times this expression has been brought to bear in recent weeks. But, by now, the fact that so many investors are parked in cash is a bullish signal, says Michael Hartnett, BofAML’s chief investment strategist. According to the firm’s contrarian “cash rule,” when average cash balance rises above 4.5% it means that investors appear to be overly bearish, or at least not bullish enough.
    http://blogs.barrons.com/focusonfunds/2016/07/19/despite-rally-cash-levels-still-at-highest-level-since-2001-buy-signal-for-stocks-says-bofa/