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  • My Engineer Buddy Is Now Crowing ... But, We Both Have Smiles.
    Hi jlev,
    For me that extra spread earned has justified my time and effort and from my perspective made it worth the effort. Just think in these terms 1.2% on a million dollar portfolio is an extra $12,000.00 a year. Over ten years this out size performance amounts to $120,000.00. So, from my perspective it has indeed been worth the effort.
  • My Engineer Buddy Is Now Crowing ... But, We Both Have Smiles.
    Since I started reading this forum and actively managing my money I've tracked the difference in returns between my portfolio as it has evolved and changing nothing but keeping it at where it was prior to paying attention. Since April 18th 2013 managing my funds has beat not doing so by about 1.2% annually. Is it worth it? It's an interesting question.
  • Holy SHLD...Sears up 24% in last four days
    I did not Bee. Connecting a line across all the new lows for this stock over the last 3 years shows a very predictable pattern. 20-22 looked like the new low before yet another predictable bounce up, but I didn't bite :( I did make a safer buy on AAPL when it dropped to 114 this week.
    Maybe when I retire I'll have more time play.
  • Please help me understand this one...PETDX jumps 100% today.
    Or was this a reverse split? Share price ended around $7 from a staring price of $3.50ish.
    Maybe this avoids pension funds from selling (any shares that remain under $5) by mandate.
    What am I missing?
  • Holy SHLD...Sears up 24% in last four days
    Yet another short squeeze like all the others for SHLD on the way down.
    Sears Holdings (SHLD - Get Report): "I don't see a future there."
    http://www.thestreet.com/story/13208541/1/mad-money-lightning-round-i-see-no-future-in-sears.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO
    Aug 3, 2015 BERKOWITZ BRUCE R
    Beneficial Owner (10% or more)
    8,000 Indirect Purchase at $20.21 per share. 161,680
    Jul 23, 2015 BERKOWITZ BRUCE R
    Beneficial Owner (10% or more)
    1,400 Indirect Sale at $22.09 per share. 30,926
    Jul 22, 2015 BERKOWITZ BRUCE R
    Beneficial Owner (10% or more)
    250,000 Indirect Sale at $21.92 per share. 5,480,000
    Jul 22, 2015 BERKOWITZ BRUCE R
    Beneficial Owner (10% or more)
    250,000 Indirect Purchase at $21.96 per share. 5,490,000
  • My Engineer Buddy Is Now Crowing ... But, We Both Have Smiles.
    Thanks for sharing Old Skeet.
    I read many years ago from different publications, M* is one that sticks in my mind, that the actual funds you invest in are a smaller contributor to your total return over time compared to how you construct your portfolio. More importantly for return is the portfolio construction, mainly equity to bond ratios. Sounds to me your 2 portfolio comparison agrees with what I've read.
    Given that belief, it has moved my investing style to hold fewer funds, and not duplicate funds in a category. At least that is what this information tells me. If I expect alpha from managed funds, duplication doesn't help the cause.
    Not arguing with others who think management diversification helps them. I just don't buy it for me. Give me an index sprinkled with 1 proven "alpha" manager and you are in good shape from my view.
    Heck, to be real simple, maybe we should all just invest in a great managed balanced fund like PRWCX (and I've given that thought). The older I get the more I question the idea I can do better:
    returns for one of the great balanced funds, PRWCX
    1year 13.0%
    3year 15.6%
    5year 14%
    10year 11.6%
    the average moderate balanced fund wasn't bad either. very similar to your friend's.
    1year 4.3
    3year 9.9
    5year 9.5
    10year 5.8
  • Edward S on balanced funds and investable alternatives
    I'm a perma-bull. I think many investors are. If by it you mean you believe the market will recover after dips and continue heading upward. It's the nicest thing at 68 about having lived as an investing adult in these decades following the 1960s.
  • Edward S on balanced funds and investable alternatives
    I am 81 retired and a long time believe, in the balanced Moderate fund until the past year when bonds earned almost nothing and I used to buy individual bonds with maturities. Now I only own one tip bond the expires in 1/2016. I do own some funds that have very modest returns. As I analyzed my portfolios, I began to reduce bonds and increase cash but have not started adding to equity. Rather than using more balanced funds I intend to add to my dividend paying stocks and ETF's that focus on dividends and dividend growth. I think of my bond funds/cash as reducing portfolio volatility, not as much as income so my fixed income has been reduced to 23%.
  • My Engineer Buddy Is Now Crowing ... But, We Both Have Smiles.
    From March of this year, a section of a thread for a simple portfolio of 50% each for VTI and BND :
    The results are listed below using VTI and BND; which will find this portfolio at age 5 years, this July.
    --- 2010 averaged return = 11.89%
    --- 2011 averaged return = 4.39% equity market melt in July
    --- 2012 averaged return = 10.23%
    --- 2013 averaged return = 15.69%
    --- 2014 averaged return = 9.25%
    --- 2015 averaged YTD = 1.76%
    M* 5 year anualized to date = 10.31%
  • Edward S on balanced funds and investable alternatives
    "Perma bear" does strike me as a curious locution, and potentially a way to avoid the argument. We don't have a similar term who folks who are sure that stocks will climb relentlessly higher; I haven't heard much of "perma bulls." Perhaps because their flame-outs are more spectacular, so their careers come to a more abrupt end?
    Too, we might need to think about time horizons to define "perma." Is someone who's been deeply skeptical for three or four years "permanently" bearish? And what does saying that say about our own depth of vision? Taken in the context of a forty year career, should we think of four years as "forever"? It was for a lot of the value investors who retired in 1999 and early 2000, worn down by ridicule and the market's ability to generate 200% returns for speculative funds.
    David
    That's because a rising stock market is always considered to be its normal state. Hence we see terms like 'correction' to describe a decline. Correction from what? Semantics suggest that means it's moving opposite to the 'correct' way of "from the lower left to the upper right." I loathe that term -- a 'correctly' moving market moves according to reality, and reality can go both up and down.
    The 'perma-bears' (or bulls) are the ones who repeatedly call for a drop and end up sounding like a broken record for a prolonged period of time .... which, in the 24-hour news cycle of in-your-face "journalism" means someone can come across as a perma-bear after only a few years. To wit: Marc Faber is on CNBC preaching the same thing for years. He may be right *sometime* but being that dogmatic about forecasting -- let alone investing by it -- is a fools' errand. But the one time they're proven right, their track record of early (and thus 'wrong') predictions are totally ignored, because ZMGHEWASRIGHTANDCALLEDIT! What short memories we have, and how uncritical our thinking has become in recent years, eh?
    "Can't say more, we've got a commercial break. But coming up next, Pundit X on why this decline is only going to be a temporary correction and it's the perfect time to buy, buy, and buy some more. Stay tuned."
    Edit: I do think Ed raised some very valid points/concerns about bonds within balanced funds, though.
  • My Engineer Buddy Is Now Crowing ... But, We Both Have Smiles.
    My engineer buddy is crowing …
    My high school buddy who became an engineer by profession has now started to crow as his 60/40 walking allocation consisting mostly 60% invested in the S&P 500 Index, about 35% in the aggregate bond index plus keeping about 5% in cash has now come to life and has bettered my recent performance. His numbers for the past one, three, five and ten year periods, tracked by Morningstar, are 6.8%, 10.0%, 10.0% and 5.6% respectively while mine, also tracked by Morningstar, on my master portfolio which uses my sleeve management system, are about 2.9%, 10.1%, 9.8% and 6.9% respectively. The above performance numbers do not reflect special investment positions (SPIFFS), held from time-to-time, as they added to our above performance numbers but not reflected in this analysis.
    It seems, over the past ten year period my master portfolio has bettered his 60/40 portfolio by more than twenty percent. So, it seems active management has out performed passive management over the long haul while passive now leads over the shorter period and they both have performed about the same through the mid years.
    In comparing both of our portfolios to CTFAX which is a professional run hybrid type asset walking fund based upon setting its stock and bond allocation by the varying price valuation of S&P 500 Index has returned 3.2%, 6.6%, 8.9% and 6.2% for the same respective periods. I have linked it's Fact Sheet below for those that would like to review same.
    https://www.columbiathreadneedleus.com/content/columbia/pdf/LIT_DOC_3C97987F.PDF
    It is interesting that his S&P 500 Index fund has returned an average of 7.0% for the ten year period while his bond index fund has returned 4.2%. Perhaps, Mr. Buffett provided good widsom and thought path that an investor would do well by just investing in the S&P 500 Index along with some US Treasury bonds.
    I score both of us as winners over some of our classmates that chose many years ago not to become investors. No doubt, the years ahead for both of us will most likely be easier than those that chose not to become long term investors. We have classmates that bettered both of us during our working years ... but, I don't think they will going forward as most of them did not invest and thus prepare for retirement. I know some of them lived high on the hog and spent most of what they were making to live a high profile lifestyle. Some of these folks will just have to keep working ... but, neither of us will as we both have smiles.
  • Edward S on balanced funds and investable alternatives
    "Perma bear" does strike me as a curious locution, and potentially a way to avoid the argument. We don't have a similar term who folks who are sure that stocks will climb relentlessly higher; I haven't heard much of "perma bulls." Perhaps because their flame-outs are more spectacular, so their careers come to a more abrupt end?
    Too, we might need to think about time horizons to define "perma." Is someone who's been deeply skeptical for three or four years "permanently" bearish? And what does saying that say about our own depth of vision? Taken in the context of a forty year career, should we think of four years as "forever"? It was for a lot of the value investors who retired in 1999 and early 2000, worn down by ridicule and the market's ability to generate 200% returns for speculative funds.
    This isn't to say that some folks aren't "more cautious than my reading of my facts warrants" or "more risk averse than me." Mostly, I worry when we find it convenient to wrap ourselves in our shawls and move on.
    There's a cool and thoughtful piece entitled "The Rhetoric of Hitler's 'Battle,'" written by a famous rhetorician and literary critic, Kenneth Burke. Burke writes:
    Hitler's "Battle" is exasperating, even nauseating; yet the fact remains: If the reviewer but knocks off a few adverse attitudinizings and calls it a day, with a guaranty in advance that his article will have a favorable reception among the decent members of our population, he is contributing more to our gratification than to our enlightenment (The Philosophy of Literary Form, 191)
    . The "Battle" he's talking about is Mein Kampf, translatable as My Battle or My Struggle.
    There are a sort of interesting piece on valuations in the latest Advisor Perspectives. You might recall Grantham's argument that markets don't succumb to bears until their valuations cross the two standard deviation level. He thinks we'll be there around the time of the elevation. The article has some nice visuals on the rhythm of Tobin's Q as a valuation metric.
    David
  • How Do You Decide What Funds to Buy?
    Hi @bee,
    No, I'm definitely not equally weighted. I much prefer to dollar cost average over pretty long periods of time so it can take years in some cases and that can influence the relative size of positions. The Grandeur Peak funds were an exception because of the hard closes. I don't have any hard and fast rules about position sizes but the largest, POAGX is about 5% of my overall portfolio now, including stocks, and I'd be hard pressed to imagine any single fund being more than 10% overall based on my current approach. I definitely don't want to bet a big portion of my portfolio on any given manager and I also don't want to have investments where it's more difficult to admit or even recognize if I'm wrong because I have too much invested.
    I do have a handful of asset allocation goals that I reconsider annually based on global market capitalizations (calculated from various MSCI indices) and my position sizes, or intended position sizes, are generally targeted to support those goals for my overall portfolio. I want to be overweight emerging/frontier markets, small-caps and healthcare, roughly equal weight the U.S. and underweight foreign developed markets and large cap stocks generally. Currently I have more allocated to the U.S. than I'd really like but in most cases I prefer to be gradual in my adjustments. I also like to be flexible enough to take advantage of perceived opportunities so the goals have to be flexible as well.
  • How Do You Decide What Funds to Buy?
    T. Rowe is an interesting case as it isn't owned by a larger financial conglomerate such as a bank and has long specialized in no load funds. Yet I do think it has drifted some away from its original mission with advisor share classes and some funds seeming pretty bloated.
    Price sold advisor funds more than two decades ago (as a way to distribute NTF), so this isn't a particularly recent drift. Several of their best funds have been closed for years, and they have not shown reluctance to close them when they hit certain sizes (though one can make the case that those thresholds are set too high).
    I agree with you that as a general principle, bank/broker/insurer-"owned" funds tend to pay less attention to their "customers" (fund shareholders). But I find that's too sweeping a generalization to be especially useful in fund searches. I wouldn't want to penalize T. Rowe Price just because it's public.
    Also, I've never been entirely clear on what the term "fund shop" or "fund family" means. I take it loosely as the marketing/distribution arm, "branding" if you will. But I'm not sure precisely what company one is really talking about.
    "Families" often outsource the day-to-day management, so I don't think "family" is the management company. For example, Vanguard contracts with Jennison Associates, a Prudential subsidiary. The family is still Vanguard, not Jennison, and Vanguard makes sure that management owner Prudential isn't gouging the shareholders.
    From a practical perspective, it's who controls the fund's board, whatever entity that is.
    I know of three (and only three) examples of true fund independence that proves the rule (by demonstrating in rare instances the parent "family" doesn't necessarily control):
    Selected Funds moved from Selected Financial Services (a Kemper subsidiary) to Venture Advisers (Davis) in 1993, after Yacktman bolted. Shelby Davis took over management of both funds - SLASX and SLSSX (then called Selected Shares). Not long after, management of the latter was outsourced to Bramwell Capital Management (Elizabeth Bramwell, who had recently left Gabelli). Was SLASX better when managed (mostly) by Chris Davis (at a privately held company) or by Donald Yackman (via a Kemper company)?
    Lightning struck a second time in 2005, when the Clipper Fund moved itself from Pacific Financial Research to Davis Selected Advisers. Here too, same question - Pacific Financial Research was acquired by UAM in 1997 (publicly traded), with UAM acquired by Old Mutual in 2000 (also publicly traded). In the ten years since it moved to Davis, this once fine fund has underperformed its category by 1.83%/year (per M*).
    My favorite independent board was The Japan Fund, which I've described before. A coda to that post is that Nomura killed off The Japan Fund last year by merging it into Matthews Asia Japan Fund. As you can see from this mid-2014 comparison of Japan funds, this is likely a good thing for the shareholders (not to mention the fund going no-load).
  • Edward S on balanced funds and investable alternatives
    @MFO Members: Here are the numbers ! Generally speaking there is an yin and yang with balanced, or as they are now called Allocation Funds. In a bull market as we have had over the last five year the bond portion of the portfolio put drag on the overall performance.
    Regards,
    Ted
    Conservative Allocation:
    YTD: .55%
    1-YR. 1.04%
    3-YR. 5.31%
    5-YR. 6.09%
    Moderate Allocation:
    YTD: 1.07%
    1-YR. 4.44%
    3-YR. 9.69%
    5-YR. 9.14%
    Aggressive Alocation
    YTD: 2.31%
    1-YR. 4.64%
    3-YR. 4.52%
    5-YR. 10.08%
    All Equity Portfolio: S&P 500 Index Fund (SPY)
    YTD. 2.31%
    1YR. 10 61%
    3-YR. 16.62%
    5-YR. 15.47%
  • Edward S on balanced funds and investable alternatives
    Dear friends,
    A number of folks have had questions about Ed's arguments concerning the performance of traditional balanced funds. Being shy and retiring, Ed is not predisposed to post on the board but he does read your comments, often scanning them daily.
    Four notes, then, as a sort of gloss on Ed's August essay:
    On balanced funds: traditionally balanced funds have provided portfolio protection in falling markets because their two dominant asset classes have had correlations that were, on average, negligible (the one-year correlation over the past century is between 7-10%) and, in times of economic decline, negative (the correlation has been as low as -93%). The Depression, for example, saw consistently strong negative correlations. Cash, at the same time, was not correlated with either. In the past couple decade, the Goldilocks correlation has been positive: both asset classes rose as interest rates fell.
    That's been good for investors and helps explain why the Vanguard Balanced Index fund (VBINX) has been nearly unbeatable: dirt cheap, fully invested, religiously rebalanced between two rising asset classes. But correlations tend to be dependent on two factors: beginning valuations and the rate of inflation (hence, of rising interest rates). A combination of pricey assets with rising prices cause stocks and bonds to become positively correlated (as high as 89% correlated), prominently in the inflation wracked '70s. That data is all courtesy of a 2013 PIMCO study. "This analysis," they conclude, "challenges conventional wisdom for asset allocation."
    Ed's argument: all three asset classes might be subject to sharp, sustained declines over, say, the next decade. As a deep value investor, he's pretty much appalled by what he sees as a fundamental disconnect between corporate prospects and stock prices. Bond yields can't go any lower unless you anticipate investor acceptance of negative yield, of the sort Switzerland is getting away with: instead of paying interest, the Swiss government promises to return your principle, minus a modest annual holding fee, in a decade. An article in the August 6 Financial Times heralded the sea change in the nature of bond investing, from "risk-free returns" to "return-free risks." And money market reforms now allow money market funds, often used in mutual fund portfolios, to use variable NAVs; that is, for the first time you might buy a MMF at $1.00/share and see your shares soon priced below that.
    It's likely that a balanced fund will still be less-bloodied than a pure equity fund but it still might be surprisingly bloody for years. How many? A balanced fund could remain underwater for six to eight years if the bond portfolio doesn't offset the declines in the equity portion. The New York Times published an okay short piece on recovery times, noting that the average recovery time since 1900 for the stock markets has only been about two years, buoyed by dividend yields as high as 14%, but that six to eight year periods can't be discounted.
    On 1987 and 2007: the argument is that 2007 initiated a slow-rolling disaster where markets fell, rose, steadied, fell, rose, fell, steadied, fell ... That gave "the smart money" time to reposition to minimize the bloodshed. The market in 1987 rose 44% between January and August, turned choppy for eight weeks, then the crash rolled out over just four trading days in the middle of October: Wednesday (-3.8%), Thursday (-4.2%), Friday (-4.6%) then Black Monday (-22.6%). Markets worldwide fell 40-60%.
    Analysts tend to attribute the crash to geopolitical instability (uhhh, Iran was firing Silkworm missiles as U.S.-flagged merchant ships) and computerized trading. "Portfolio insurance" programs, designed to minimize losses by selling fast in the face of a declining market, may have created a negative feedback loop in which each sale triggered a new alarm and another sale. Such algorithms were the province of ultra-sophisticated investors in 1987, today they're common though no one knows how common since the folks who use them don't necessarily advertise the fact. The highest number I've seen is 84%, a common number is 70% and the most conservative is 50% of all U.S. equity trades.
    The question is, does the rise of artificial intelligence and its deployment by the ultra-sophisticated minimize or heighten the prospect of an "oops" on a truly global scale. I suppose if you find the widespread deployment of drone into our airspace reassuring (pretty pictures!), you're also likely to find the widespread deployment of AI in the financial markets reassuring.
    As an investment concern, the difference is important: you can't react to a 1987-style event, you can only endure it or try to find satisfactory ways to permanently hedge your portfolio in advance. Given the doubts, above, concerning a balance strategy and the availability of insured one-year CDs paying 1.25% (with 12-month inflation at just 0.1%), Ed might recommend that you seriously consider the latter.
    On paring his portfolio: Ed's wife, from time to time, points out that he has no rational need for 25 mutual funds. I get the impression he sighs, looks at the lot of them, thinks "but he was so promising as a baby!" and then chucks one of them out of the sleigh. I'll let you know if he shares a more-detailed methodology.
    On the difference between Ed and me: I'm the taller one, he's more ... uhh, full-figured. Edward used to co-manage a multi-billion dollar mutual fund, I peaked out at mismanaging my multi-thousand dollar 403(b) account. The other difference is that Ed writes everything that appears under the banner "Edward ex cathedra" while I churn out the fluff and babble. Which I mention just for the sake of folks who are new to the Observer and have misattributed some of Ed's arguments, observations, grumbling and/or brilliance to me.
    Back to patching the concrete at the end of my driveway,
    David
  • How Do You Decide What Funds to Buy?
    Hi @bee,
    Although there are times when I worry a little about David's idea that we're irresistibly drawn to bright shiny objects, which I tend to think of as performance chasing, I try to be cautious with both additions and subtractions from my list. I'm pretty sure the last time something was taken off my list was 2012 when I went through a fairly significant revision to my approach and most of those eliminated would have been higher asset funds with higher expense ratios that didn't impress me anymore or funds where my interest was driven in large part by a manager who was no longer there.
    In the last 12-18 months I've added a few funds I learned about here, like SFGIX, QUSOX, MEASX and VVPLX, and one I initially read about on M* and then subsequently read a bit more about when I searched for it here, which was KGGAX.
    Here are the 16 I currently own. Since I hate when M* writes about funds only to find out they're closed, I've put a star next to those.
    Large cap: PTSGX*, OAKWX, IWIRX, MAPIX, HEDJ, DXJ, PRHSX*
    Mid cap: POAGX*, PRNHX*, KGGAX, MEASX, WAFMX*
    Small cap: FSCRX*, OBIOX, GPIOX*, GPEOX*
    HEDJ and DXJ are really just currency/QE bets on Europe and Japan for me and weren't chosen from my list, but when I'm done with those bets the money will go back into funds I already own or something new from my list (more likely the former than the latter).
    I have one spot open currently because until recently I owned WAAEX and had decided I would replace it with Grandeur Peak's US small cap fund when/if it eventually launches but I decided I'd rather hold cash in the meantime.
  • How Do You Decide What Funds to Buy?
    Hi Guys,
    I’m thoroughly enjoying and learning from this exchange. It’s being conducted in a civil way with emphasis on what works, or at least what is believed to work. Thank you all for many fine contributions.
    I’m going to change direction a little by discussing a selection rule that I once included in my fund selection rules for a portion of my portfolio, but now have serious doubts. The two funds that I selected based on this rule have been disappointments recently. They both were successes 15 years ago, but over the last decade there has been a disquieting erosion, a “regression to below the mean”.
    First the criterion. Choose a fund manager who has a storied personal success history who also has a focused fund holding approach. Not all managers are equal, and time will isolate skill from luck. All investment ideas are not equally promising. Managers who limit how far down the idea list they venture increase the odds for excess returns above benchmarks. Well, that was the logic backstopping the criterion.
    From my perspective and limited experience, that rule has not been especially productive. In fact, I now consider it a failed rule and have mostly abandoned it. Some things die hard but slowly since an accumulation of data is required.
    My 15-plus years of experimentation with the rule have been with the Masters Select Equity fund (MSEFX) and the Marsico fund (MFOCX). Both funds outdistanced their Benchmarks in their early history, sometimes by impressive margins. In the last decade, their performance have hit hard times and have generated negative Excess Returns. I’m incrementally reducing my positions in both funds.
    Both funds are supposedly managed by superstar managers. The MSEFX teams are carefully screened, selected, and monitored by a professional methodology developed by the Litman-Gregory firm. The methodology uses multiple filters to output likely “superior” management teams, and fires those that fail to satisfy expectations. The Litman-Gregory resources must exceed those accessible to individual investors by an order of magnitude.
    Tom Marsico managed the Janus fund to dazzling outperformance in the late 1980s and 1990s. Morningstar named him a fund manager-of-the-year for his terrific record. He is a talented and skilful stock selector who learned his craft under the legendary Fred Alger.
    Yet both managements have suffered poor performance for a decade. Regression to the mean is an irresistible force in the equity marketplace. Markets change and so must fund selection criteria.
    I hope this post adds to this expanding discussion and keeps it on target.
    Best Wishes.