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  • What criteria do you use to select Mutual Finds?
    @davidmoran
    Looks like we both started investing around 1971 (45 years ago). Mine was a 403B plan with a 4.17% front load invested in TEMWX. A great fund back than. I knew even less of investing than than I know today. But the fund prospered over the 15-20 years I owned it. Probably shouldn't have left Templeton, but a lot of friction developed between the "advisor" and me when I started investing on my own with T. Rowe Price - especially when I transferred some of the $$ out of Templeton on my own. (Pretty sure he was collecting some type of back load).
    While I loath front-loads and the commission-based reps who peddle them, I benefitted greatly from his experience. In particular, I became more acclimated to taking a degree of risk in pursuit of a higher return than what I observe in many first-time investors who don't have the benefit of an advisor. So, the load may have been worth it.
    I don't have time to look up all 7,000+ funds available to U.S. investors at 5 different sites search of that one on which they all disagree. But it's out there somewhere. :)
    Good luck.
  • Mutual fund expense
    M* study reveals that, in every case, low cost funds and or high star funds beat high cost / low star funds:
    Article:
    news.morningstar.com/articlenet/article.aspx?id=347327
    Rolling 5 year Results:
    How Expenses and Stars Predict Success
    It appears if you are going to pay a higher expense ratio then at least confirm the fund is a high star rated fund except in the case of high star rated funds that fall from grace unexpectedly (SEQUX).
  • Mutual fund expense
    ...fund expenses present an additional risk.
    Well said @DaveSch . I'm sure the number of funds that do better than their index varies with investment type, so it probably is a very small percentage that beat the index for most domestic large caps, mid caps and possibly even small caps. So the percentages are low to begin with that you have a consistent winner. Even lower for high priced funds to stay consistent in my mind. That is added risk. And add to that those who like to own multiple large caps for example, you probably don't have a snowballs chance in Hawaii of beating the index when you average them all together.
    So, like others have stated, you surely have to consider the fund's investments to decide if it's worth paying higher expense ratios. Balanced, tactical, global, international, Em's may be worth paying a little more for a good manager - to a point. But at some level, even those funds will be hindered by expenses. Domestic large cap... I certainly wouldn't pay more than a 1% expense ratio, no matter what "past" records say.
  • best unknown
    Yes, I agree. I like VDIGX also. Interesting that Fidelity shows VFINX (S&P 500) has the same dividend yield as VDIGX when VDIGX's purpose is to target dividend growers. RIMHX looks good short and long....it has a better 10 year return than VBINX (60/40 index) at present. Still researching.
  • best unknown
    Slick, agree with you on VBINX. Always amazed how that falls out of favor briefly and then rises back to the top 10%. Also VWELX.
    I have not bought it and might not.... but I am watching and beginning to research RIMHX. Behaving well last few months.
  • Mutual fund expense
    So if Stanley Drukenmiller (compounded returns of 30%/yr and never a losing year 1986-2009 while at Duquesne) had managed a mutual fund, I should have not consider him worthy of investment because his expense ration is 1% (fictitious) higher than norm?
  • What Happens When Management Changes
    http://fpafunds.com/docs/fund-announcements/2015-11-16-sor_press-release-final.pdf?sfvrsn=4
    @BenWP Yup, graph out 1-yr returns and it kinda slaps ya in the face, doesn't it? Shades of FPA Perennial. Just a month respite, after butchering their shareholders on that one, Eric Ende said he'd had enough and was heading for the retirement hills, looks like they rolled up their sleeves and got to work on SOR. (see p.2 of above doc for what was intended by the Board of Directors when they authorized the share buyback; your hunch is correct)
  • FPACX - er 1.11 vs VWELX - er 0.23 -- std dv. comparable
    Why own FPACX? Well, in 2006 when I bought FPACX, my crystal ball was broken and remains broken to this day. Actually, FPACX and VWELX have been pretty comparable up until recently and, having reinvested dividends, FPACX has been a good investment.
    What does not work for me is to thrash around from one fund to another. But, out of curiosity, I would like to know what fund should be bought now that in 10 years will be a general winner.
  • Mutual fund expense
    I am always intrigued that mutual fund operating expenses and 12b-1 fees that are above average are used by investors as a disqualifier towards purchasing a mutual fund when the total return reflects those fees (net of expenses). When it comes to fees, I use the total return as a criterion (among many others) for selection unless you believe transactional costs are excessive. I personally am willing to pay more for outperformance and quality. This is not intended for a no load vs load or early redemption or portfolio turnover discussion etc etc.
  • MLPs Are Rallying—But They're Still Risky
    @heezsafe,
    Thanks so much for those eye-opening articles. I had no idea. Right now I am definitely leaning toward EMLP, which does not appear to have the same tax issues as AMLP. Simon Lack has a nice mutual fund -- MLXIX -- but I cannot buy it at Wellstrade.
    CHART
    Kevin
  • MLPs Are Rallying—But They're Still Risky
    There's CEM, the CEF in the MLP space. I got burned with it, tho it has recovered. No K-1 form to deal with at tax time. A CEF in a volatile area of the market requires Peptobismal (do they still sell that stuff?).
  • What Happens When Management Changes
    Reference was made the other day to Source Capital (SOR) in regards to Mr. Braham's article in Barron's about CEF's. Steve Romick and his FPA team took over the fund in Fall, 2015. They must have done some real housecleaning of the portfolio resulting in a huge distribution to shareholders. Here's a quotation from a fund document "apologizing" for how long it took for the transactions to settle:
    "Los Angeles (April 22, 2016) – Source Capital, Inc. (the “Fund”) is pleased to announce that the Agent for its Dividend Reinvestment Plan (the “Plan”), American Stock Transfer & Trust Company, completed its purchases of the Fund’s common stock for shareholders participating in the Plan with respect to the distributions announced on February 8, 2016. As you may recall, on March 15, 2016, the Fund paid the $33.65 long-term capital gain distribution combined with the $0.41 regular quarterly distribution announced on February 8, 2016. Due to the large combined size of these distributions and the commensurate number of shares that were required to be purchased for Plan participants, it took the Agent several weeks to complete the share purchases. The Agent will be posting the reinvested shares to your account by Monday April 25, 2016 and statements will be mailed shortly thereafter. Thank you for your patience."
    I guess this is one way to deal with the persistent discount which averaged -9.57% for the past three years. It's now -1.69%. Fund price was a bit north of $65 at the time of the distribution. Now it's about $39. I wonder if SOR is going to be a clone of FPACX, albeit on a much smaller scale.
  • MLPs Are Rallying—But They're Still Risky
    @kevindow You might want to check this one out; MLPs are kind of Simon Lack's thing:
    http://www.sl-advisors.com/wrong-mlp-fund/
    For those who follow MLPs closely, one of the enduring mysteries must be the mindset of investors in the Alerian MLP ETF (AMLP). Investors who desire MLP exposure but don’t want K-1s have been attracted to AMLP and a whole host of other inefficient ETFs and mutual funds. As we’ve written before (see, for example, The Enormous Misunderstanding About MLP Funds and Taxes), funds such as these convert the K-1s they receive into the 1099s desired by their investors by paying corporate income tax on their returns. The result is that an investor in a C-corp MLP fund such as this earns substantially less than the index – somewhere close to 35% less since that’s the portion ultimately paid to the U.S. Treasury.
    [...]
    The Mainstay Cushing MLP Fund (CSHAX) is similarly structured and invariably underperforms its benchmark. Portfolio Manager Jerry Swank was asked by Barron’s in June 2012 why the fund had lagged its benchmark since inception in 2010 and he replied, “As a corporation, what a mutual fund gives up is a tax drag on the net asset value, as much as a 38% tax drag on NAV.” CSHAX has an expense ratio of 9.42%, of which 7.94% is taxes. The questioner should have asked, ‘Can you really claim to put investors’ interests first if you design a vehicle like this?’ Instead she moved on, but really; who seriously expects a mutual fund to pay away almost 8% of its clients’ capital in taxes?
    [...]
    These securities and others like them (we calculate there are around $20BN outstanding) are deeply flawed. They exploit the unfortunate proclivity of many investors towards superficial research and while their shortcomings are disclosed in documents they’re certainly not understood by their investors.
    You also might find an article he wrote in January to be enlightening re. how the various tax issues for these investment vehicles came to be. It certainly cleared up some lingering confusions I had.
    http://www.sl-advisors.com/2015-mlp-crash-whats-next/
  • FPACX - er 1.11 vs VWELX - er 0.23 -- std dv. comparable
    I held it until a couple of years ago, and since 1998. Fwiw.
  • What criteria do you use to select Mutual Finds?
    @mcmarasco
    I totally agree with Ted ! Fewer funds is better, and no more than 10 positions even if you have large total assets. My minimum position is 5-7.5% and maximum is 20% for extremely high conviction funds. We currently have 7 holdings, but they are pretty rock-solid.
    Among actively managed funds, there are very few excellent funds out there. And these funds must be slam-dunk excellent, and of course, they must beat their respective lower cost passive funds.
    I like to use the standard risk metrics available at google finance and Morningstar: standard deviation, sharpe ratio and sortino ratio. Then I use Barchart Opinion, especially for trading positions. And of course I always follow moving averages, specifically the 20/50/100/200 EMA.
    Investing is not easy, and there are too many opinions out there. My best advice is to befriend a few smart investors out there, and have private correspondence by email regarding optimization of your portfolio.
    Kevin
  • MLPs Are Rallying—But They're Still Risky
    Thanks to all for the excellent advice.
    As a pure short-term trade, I bought AMLP on 2/18/16 merely because it gave me decent exposure to the MLP space and most importantly, it was very liquid.
    I have purchased CEFs before, but I never was comfortable with the discount/premium issue, and felt that smarter investors would game me. And I don't have the time or expertise to carefully research individual MLPs. I really want one mutual fund/ETF/ETN to cover the MLP space.
    So after reading THIS and THIS, I am leaning toward owning AMJ or EMLP in my retirement account. Between the two, I am leaning toward EMLP due to the risk metrics, although EMLP is not a pure MLP play.
    Kevin