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  • Dividend Growth Or Dividend Yield?
    Dividend investing strategies have a strong appeal for retirees. As I approach retirement – I am uncertain how to design one that takes into account the ongoing interest rate increasing cycle. I would appreciate thoughts on how others are planning to navigate it in the next few years.
  • Transition your Vanguard account to a Brokerage Account
    @Anna- re "the same state protection that a Traditional or Rollover IRA gets"-
    I have no idea what you are referring to here. Could you give an example of the "state protections" for WA?
    Thanks- OJ
    Actually, an article about your state in the LATimes first drew my attention to the difference at the federal level in the treatment of 401K type retirement accounts and IRA type when it comes to bankruptcy/litigation.
    http://www.latimes.com/la-ira-story3-story.html
    A chart showing the litigation part by state (2014 ):
    https://www.thetaxadviser.com/content/dam/tta/issues/2014/jan/stateirachart.pdf
    I realize that this sort of stuff isn't a big deal (probabilities) but I could not see any reason to trade off my Vanguard IRA accounts (some Rollovers which I vetted with the law here) for the Brokerage equivalent if it lost such protections. I just was simply saying that if I were sure of this one thing I wouldn't hesitate on Vanguard's preferred conversion of my accounts. So far the only consequence has been that Vanguard says without the conversion, RMD (MRD) distributions can only go to my bank and not directly to my Vanguard taxable brokerage account. I don't really understand why that is.
  • Buy, Sell and Ponder October 2017
    @carew388 "Two ntf alternatives to GABCX are MERFX ARBFX."
    I looked at all three, having owned MERFX for a long time. GABCX is not avaliable for new accounts at either Fido, Schwab or Vanguard ( I can't stand Mario anyway so I would have to hold my nose) The other two are similar but ARBFX has a smaller asset base and has done a little better long term. Don't expect rocketships but it has produced a relatively modest return without a lot of downside. They do better in years when there is a lot of merger activity
    I have to be put into the bearish camp, near retirement and more worried about "the return of my capital than the return on my capital". I have left my long term funds alone but have ratcheted down equity exposure over the year to about 30% to 35% and emphasizing short duration bonds
  • Buy, Sell and Ponder October 2017
    Just watching paint dry and reading over the many comments. Thought I’d attempt to gain a better market perspective by grouping a few of the responses. Apologies in advance for the likely inaccuracies and/or omissions. Not scientific. Feel welcome to fill-in the blanks. Thanks to the Pudd for the thread.
    Bullish Sentiment
    “I have been DCA into PRGTX - TRP Global Technology since it was a new fund and the price has doubled since then. Hopefully the fund continues to run wild” ...Jafink63
    “Ah, yes....new funds. They are great. Big up side potential as you get the P.M.'s. Best picks with all the money coming in. Yep, been there done that. Looks like you hit a homer, big guy! If I were you, I'd ride on. Tech is only going to get bigger as time rolls on.” Puddnhead
    “On the equity front: May add a tad to certain REITS (VTR). Possibly also small positions in GE & GIS (TBD). Just re-entered small position in AMZN and a position in UTG on the price-weakness surrounding the rights-offering. Bought a small, starter position GBTC (the bitcoin trust) --as a pure speculation.” Edmond
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    Bearish Sentiment
    “In a bit of good fortune, the nice little run-up has bumped two of my funds in the IRA to hit the dollar threshold for a haircut... I'm happy to take some profits off the table before that decision is announced”. PressumUP
    “I remain in the cash build mode within my mutual fund portfolio due to a richly priced market.
    ... More pondering to do while I await the next pullback.” Old Skeet
    “I remain invested, but at the high end of my allowable cash position.” hank
    “With the bull ongoing, am thinking of selling a little even in roth accounts and letting it sit as cash, or in, like, GABCX”. davidrmoran
    “I'm looking to sell some equities & take some risk off the table too”. expatsp
    ”... lowering equity exposure while allowing room to run still”. jlev
    “The stock market is historically overpriced, and becoming more so by the day.”
    David Snowball - October 1, 2017 Commentary https://www.mutualfundobserver.com/2017/10/
    “I have to be put into the bearish camp, near retirement and more worried about "the return of my capital than the return on my capital". I have left my long term funds alone but have ratcheted down equity exposure over the year to about 30% to 35% and emphasizing short duration bonds.” sma3
    Undetermined
    “Opened a small position in TUHYX ...” carew388
  • Should You Shoot For Higher Returns By Investing Outside Your 401(k)?

    Disagree --- one should invest in whatever type of accounts they have the opportunity to invest in - 401, 403, IRA/Roth IRA, deferred, taxable. While it's probably ok for someone to just throw their 40X into a TD fund and be done with it, I believe that anyone who says primarily invest in your retirement account -- which implies ignore taxable accounts -- is crazy since there are caps on a) contributions and b) what you might have access to in terms of funds and expense ratios.
    I understand your argument with (b), but (a)? If your income is large enough to be able to max out contributions to your 401(k) and IRA ($24k next year), you really shouldn't be too worried about money.
  • Should You Shoot For Higher Returns By Investing Outside Your 401(k)?

    Disagree --- one should invest in whatever type of accounts they have the opportunity to invest in - 401, 403, IRA/Roth IRA, deferred, taxable. While it's probably ok for someone to just throw their 40X into a TD fund and be done with it, I believe that anyone who says primarily invest in your retirement account -- which implies ignore taxable accounts -- is crazy since there are caps on a) contributions and b) what you might have access to in terms of funds and expense ratios.
  • Should You Shoot For Higher Returns By Investing Outside Your 401(k)?
    FYI: Q: I'm just starting my career and my 401(k) is invested in a diversified portfolio of stocks that tracks the overall stock market. I'm trying to decide whether to simply increase my contribution to my company plan or start investing outside my 401(k) so I can earn a higher return by focusing on specific sectors of the market, such as technology or health care. Which do you recommend?
    A: Generally, I think you're better off doing your retirement savings within your 401(k). You get lucrative tax benefits and employer matching funds in most cases, plus the automatic payroll deductions ensure that you actually end up saving for retirement rather than planning to but not getting around to it.
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://www.fidelity.com/insights/retirement/investing-beyond-401k?print=true
  • The Finger-Pointing At The Finance Firm TIAA
    To put this in perspective, the new DOL regs for fiduciaries allow different levels of compensation for selling different categories of products, up to a certain level.
    BICE allows higher compensation for selling complex products that require more work to explain to the customers. (DOL FAQ: "variation [in commission] is permitted ... based on neutral factors, such as the time and complexity associated with recommending investments".) This arises from the reasonable compensation rule.
    At the same time, BICE forbids the additional compensation to be so high as to create an incentive to push these products. More generally (again from DOL FAQ) "financial institutions cannot 'use or rely upon quotas, appraisals, performance or personnel actions, bonuses, contests, special awards, differential compensation or other actions or incentives that are intended or would reasonably be expected to cause Advisers to make recommendations that are not in the Best Interest of the Retirement Investor.'"
    If it takes someone twice as much time and effort to sell product A as product B, and compensation is equal, that person has a disincentive to sell (or "push", as Ms. Morgenson wrote) product A. That is true regardless of how much more or less profitable one product or the other is for the company. Unequal compensation for different products can be reasonable. Whether the differences merely equalize the sales incentives for different products or bias them (presumably toward the more profitable product) is a matter of the magnitude of the differences in compensation.
    According to the DOL, the mere existence of compensation differences does not automatically create an incentive to sell one over the other, Ms. Morgenson aside. Yet she leaps immediately to the conclusion that it must, with no numbers, no explanation.
    The TIAA Form ADV Part 2A that she cited mirrors the DOL regs: "TIAA’s compensation philosophy aims to reward Advisors with appropriate compensation, recognizing the degree of effort generally required of the Advisor in gathering and retaining client assets in appropriate TIAA accounts, products and services offered by TIAA affiliates."
    Ms. Morgenson also leaps from writing about "advisers" in the first paragraph (who are bound by fiduciary duty, BICE, etc. not to be incentivized to "push" higher profit products) to "sales representatives" in the second paragraph, who are under no such constraints. Which one is it? Is the undisclosed complaint talking about sales reps or advisers?
    That matters because, as I stated before, while this doesn't help TIAA's reputation, it doesn't paint them as an exceptionally bad actor. I've written before about Fidelity's reps having similar compensation schedules. Here's Fidelity's 2017 Introduction to Representatives’ Compensation.
    "Certain representatives also receive differing compensation for different product types, for example, managed account and insurance product sales, which require more in-depth engagement with clients, provide more compensation than products such as money market funds." For example, Fidelity reps get quarterly compensation of 1 basis point for investments in MMFs, while10 basis points for investments in Fidelity's Portfolio Advisory Services and/or insurance products.
    For anyone who's suggested going to a brokerage to discuss ideas "for free", tell me again how great a bargain that is.
  • Will These New Retirement Funds Catch On?
    @MikeM, In the article the author mentioned that the "newness" of TRLAX will rely upon the rolling average of TRRBX to determine its 5% payout. At least that is how I read it.
    Quote:
    Since the fund is new, it initially will base payouts on the five-year NAV history of T. Rowe Price Retirement 2020 Fund, a 15-year-old target-date fund that uses the same underlying strategy.
  • Will These New Retirement Funds Catch On?
    @bee, I haven't read the article yet - plan to tonight, but you are showing the target date retirement fund, not the income fund. The income fund is TRLAX and it is very new. Not a lot of data. In fact M* doesn't even have a portfolio breakdown. I don't expect it to look like TRRBX.
  • Will These New Retirement Funds Catch On?
    FYI: Target-date retirement funds, which are designed to automatically shift to more-conservative investments as an investor grows older, have become a popular way for working Americans to save for retirement.
    But the same firms that created these all-in-one funds have struggled to provide a solution to the next dilemma many people face: how to prudently manage a nest egg while drawing it down in retirement. So far, the industry hasn’t managed to attract much interest for “managed payout funds,” which make steady cash payments to fundholders while continuing to invest the remaining assets.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/will-these-new-retirement-funds-catch-on-2017-10-20/print
  • Merrill Edge To Market To The Great Unwashed
    Yes. Merrill went ahead and implemented the DOL rule in retirement accounts effective the original day in June. One still can continue trading as self-directed and pay 6.95 per equity trade and get mutual funds etc. .45 fiduciary stuff provides strategic risk based asset allocation and rebalancing with cheap etfs for those who cant do it themselves and starts at $5000 minimum. .85% service includes a larger fund selection and a human being to talk to... i believe the min is $25k. Note that all models are created by the CIO office and are of institutional quality from open architecture platform. Mutual fund shares within those are either advisory or institutional, depending on the company.
    And then there is merrill lynch, a full service brokerage: financial planning, behaviorial, alternatives, financing, etc. All new retirement accounts have been fee-based fiduciary relationships since june, or none. Taxable could be any.
    Hope this clarifies the new post-DOL arrangement at merrill somewhat.
  • Vanguard Taps Experience And Expertise Of Wellington To Manage New Global Balanced Funds
    Thanks @Ted and @TheShadow for bringing these funds and this article to the board.
    I came across another article (I linked below) back in May, but in light of these funds introduction I thought it was worthy of re-posting. The article looks at using an single open ended mutual fund as the sole source for a 4% withdrawal rate in retirement.
    VWINX was one of the funds research and the winner of the back test.
    Just wondering if MFOers feel that a globally managed fund like Global Wellesley might serve a similar role in a retirement distribution strategy?
    Article:
    long-term-growing-income-open-end-mutual-fund-possible
    MFO discussion on VWINX:
    https://mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/33358/vwinx
  • RNDLX
    I've owned this fund for a few years now. 4 years ago there was some discussion about it. Currently it seems quite. I own about 10% in my 401k. About a year or so from retirement. I have to say it has always bothered me that the expense ratio has been so high for the low return rate. Curious as to members opinions on this fund as well as alternatives. Thanks in advance.
  • Reviewing Allocation Funds in a Retirement Portfolio
    @PRESSmUp, Thanks for mentioning the need to differentiate taxable and tax sheltered funds.
    As far as "coughing up" goes... my sense is it often will have at least two triggers.
    1. The 1-3 year bucket balance is low and in need of replenishing or,
    2. The other (buckets) have reached a predetermine goal (dollar or percentage gain).
    As @MikeM mentioned, none of this is done in a vacuum.
    Income from pensions, social security, annuities and other income streams (part time work in retirement) paint a large part of the retirement mosaic while these other investments (buckets) fill in the rest.
    Thanks all for your fund suggestions so far. Always nice to see what funds others incorporate into their portfolio.
  • Reviewing Allocation Funds in a Retirement Portfolio
    Bee...several funds you listed are common to what I have as well. I don't have it broken down into the annualized categories that you've described, but I think the result may be similar.
    I have a group which can go by many names...1-3 year funds, bucket 1, etc...the objective of the group to hold spending money for the next 3 to 4 years regardless of what the market does. A secondary objective is to contribute 2-3% account growth to offset possible cash drag. In an ideal world, these dollars are not touched because the second and third groups are supplying needed funds used for income. The initial group consists of:
    Taxable Account: VWITX and VWAHX
    IRA: PIFZX, SSTHX, ZEOIX, and SUBFX
    The next group consists of a bunch of items which throw off income. This has changed in my recent retirement, as these now generate the dollars I use for annual spending, where before it was reinvested. It consists of:
    Taxable: FKINX and then a half dozen dividend paying stocks
    IRA: VWINX, PONDX, WATFX, PTIAX, SAMBX and then 4 individual REITs
    Funds for growth....in both taxable and IRA, I have a slew of funds whose goal is to provide appropriate growth that I can periodically, when the funds hit a specific dollar threshold, take a slice off the top to send to my checking account. It holds a variety of usual suspects, all equity funds.
    Falling outside these classifications, in both IRA and taxable, I do hold a few individual equities that are "flyers"...things which are generally inadvisable but could send me and siblings on a cruise to French Polynesia.
    Bee....as I think the process is equally important as what you actually hold, how do you determine when the subsidiary groups cough up their contribution to the group (1-3 year, Bucket 1) used to hold your spending dollars?
  • Reviewing Allocation Funds in a Retirement Portfolio
    @Old_Skeet...lots to ponder...longer response coming.
    @Ted, yes. They have been and should be good investments for growth going forward.
    @Derf, yes. I looked at these retirement funds as glide path funds for the 5 year increment / spending needs in retirement.
    I never pull the trigger on this idea, but it would go something like this:
    Yr/Date----Age---Hold Retirement/Income Fund
    2020 ------60----2020 Fund
    2025-------65----2025 Fund
    2030-------70----2030 Fund
    2035-------75----2035 Fund
    Etc
  • Reviewing Allocation Funds in a Retirement Portfolio
    @ bee: At one time didn't you throw out the idea to use target date funds to accomplish this in a retirement portfolio ? Ret. income, 2020, 2025, 2030.
    @ Old Skeet; You bring up a point of interest. How much to put in each pot so to speak?
    Derf