Bucket #1 “Interesting. I thought the whole point of target date funds was that they were a one stop shop...”
That was the original concept. In theory. And it seems as if many target date funds came into existence around 2006 when (some) employers began (legally)
automatically enrolling employees in 401Ks. They do make a convenient
default option. But it’s my understanding that most investors who own target date funds also invest in other non-target date funds. So these funds are not really living up to their name.
I’ve never heard a single poster at MFO (or
Fund Alarm for that matter) report that they have
all their
retirement assets in one of these target date funds. That may be because folks who go for target funds just aren’t as active in following their investments as the type who post here. But it still seems odd that no one, to my knowledge, has ever reported being 100% in one of these things.
I like
@bee’s detailed plan. But, I prefer to
let it all ride in a mixed conservatively positioned portfolio while drawing off a few percent a year. I understand many have issues with such an approach. For the time being it works for me.
Bucket #1 @JoJo26,
Interesting. I thought the whole point of target date funds was that they were a one stop shop...
Tweaking a little growth (staying ahead of inflation) was my thought here as well as simplicity.
I kinda think a single target date
retirement fund works well for new investors (a 30 year old owning a 2060 fund...cool), but I like the idea of re-casting this single target fund 5 years before
retirement into (6) target date funds to serve as "5 year spending buckets". I also would fund a 1-3 year safe spending bucket (separate from these other buckets). Finally any additional savings would be place into long term growth investments.
Inflation has a funny way of kicking a retirees bony butt. That 5 cent candy bar is now a buck...that 25 cent draught beer is now $5 bucks.
Seems to make sense to me.
Bucket #1 My unconventional Bucket #1 in retirement would utilize target date funds.
Bucket #1 would arrive in 5 year increments using target date funds that are spread out over retirement. If I were retiring in 2020...Bucket #1 would be (Bucket 2020) and would be funded with 5 years of retirement spending (any growth could be looked at as additonal discretionary spending) to be spent between 2020 -2025.
A second Bucket #1 (Bucket 2025) would be funded with a 2025 target date fund and would have 7 years (2018-2025) to "grow". It would be funded to anticipate expenses during those 5 years (2025-2030). The third bucket #1 (Bucket 2030) target date fund would have 12 years to grow...and so on.
This approach glides a portion of your portfolio from growth to income...from stocks to bonds...in a professionally diversified and professionally managed way. I might add it's affordable and easy to understand. Anyone from you to your wife can stay the course.
Six target dated funds would cover your retirement for 30 -35 years of retirement "bucket #1" needs.
The rest of your available portfolio can be dedicated to long term growth and the occasional re-balancing with your buckets.
I also see Bucket #1 being paired with an additional 1-3 years of spending in the event markets fall into an extended bear. The would very very liquid and very safe.
Not sure how one would deal with the possibility of a "lost decade" (extended under performance of the market), especially during the spend down of assets in retirement.
Any thoughts?
Interesting. I thought the whole point of target date funds was that they were a one stop shop...
Bucket #1 My unconventional Bucket #1 in retirement would utilize target date funds.
Bucket #1 would arrive in 5 year increments using target date funds that are spread out over retirement. If I were retiring in 2020...Bucket #1 would be renamed (Bucket 2020 using a 2020 target date fund)) and would be funded with 5 years of retirement spending (any growth could be looked at as additional discretionary spending) to be spent between (2020 -2025).
A second Bucket #1 (Bucket 2025) would be funded with a 2025 target date fund and would have 7 years (2018-2025) to "grow". It would be funded to anticipate expenses during those 5 years (2025-2030). The third bucket #1 (Bucket 2030) target date fund would have 12 years to grow...and so on.
This approach glides a portion of your portfolio from growth to income...from stocks to bonds...in a professionally diversified and professionally managed way. I might add it's affordable and easy to understand. Anyone from you to your wife can stay the course.
Six target dated funds would cover your retirement for 30 -35 years of retirement "bucket #1" needs.
The rest of your available portfolio can be dedicated to long term growth and the occasional re-balancing with your buckets.
I also see Bucket #1 being paired with an additional 1-3 years of spending in the event markets fall into an extended bear. The would very very liquid and very safe.
Not sure how one would deal with the possibility of a "lost decade" (extended under performance of the market), especially during the spend down of assets in retirement.
Any thoughts?
State Pensions And Fund Companies Feel Heat Over Their Gun Stock Investments Here’s my earlier link & excerpt. Hope this avoids having 2 different threads on essentially the same subject.
Question for those in the know - What’s the easiest way to dig up a list of mutual funds with investments in
American Outdoor Brands (alias Smith & Wesson). I’d sure like to see it.
One more note: I’m not against guns. Heck, some of my happiest memories as a teen go back to tromping through northern Michigan’s woods in October with my high school buddy after school, usually on Fridays, trying to bag a bird or rabbit with the single-shot 16 gage shotgun my pop gave me on my 16th birthday. Good healthy sport. But the nonsense going on in this country has to stop. Whatever it takes!
“Florida teachers reacted viscerally to news that they've been paying into a
retirement fund that invests in gun companies, including the maker of an assault rifle used to kill 17 Parkland high school students and educators last week. They demanded Wednesday night that the state agency that manages the fund divest of those stocks immediately. The state pension plan for Florida teachers held 41,129 shares in American Outdoor Brands Co., formerly known as Smith & Wesson ...”
http://snewsi.com/id/18169948123
REITs Are Sending A Powerful Buy Signal If someone is looking to build an income stream for retirement, REITs are a really good option...and they're on sale.
Bond Funds and rising interest rates If one is going to the CD ladder route it sometimes is worth your while to see what your brokerage firm might be offering.
@Mark , good point Mark, and I did that. My adviser at Schwab suggested they (Schwab) could not compete with the on-line banks for money market and CDs and said he endorsed me moving some of my IRA to get better "cash" interest rates. In fact he told me he had an account outside of Schwab with Synchroney Bank to handle his families cash. Hence my decision to open an IRA at Synchroney and create a 4-year withdrawal bucket for
retirement. My Schwab robo will feed that cash account when needed using an on-line transfer, IRA to IRA, I'm told with no transfer charge.
Bond Funds and rising interest rates MIkeM It sounds like you are saying short-term bonds do not make sense in this present investment environment.
Yes, that is what I'm saying.
Look at the performance of BBMX, 1.7% return over the last 3 years, 1.3% over the last 5. With rising interest rates short term bond funds will be challenged to make even that return going forward. In comparison, CDs are now paying 2% for 1 year and up to 3% for 5 years. And the point here, I think, is if you create a CD ladder where you are converting CDs periodically as they mature into a CD market of risings interest rates it's a win-win investment as compared the short term bonds that will be affected negatively with rising rates.
This maybe wasn't true a year ago, but I think the time has come. Eliminate volatility and a guess on return completely and CD ladder into a rising return. That of course is just my opinion.
By the way, this is what I'm going to do with the money I'm bucketing for
retirement withdrawals. I happen to choose Synchroney Bank to set up my money market/CD IRA, but there are many good on-line options available.
Understanding The Core-Satellite Approach To Portfolio Construction Good article. Maybe I think that because this approach is what I do. 1/2 my tax deffered
retirement money is in a stable index investing robo-portfolio and the other 1/2 I self manage.
Definition I found for smart beta:
Smart beta strategies attempt to deliver a better risk and return trade-off than conventional market cap weighted indices by using alternative weighting schemes based on measures such as volatility or dividends.
are long-term in nature and by no means tactical.
This appears to be your opinion. I don't see any definitions using this caveat in my short check of Google.
And the author says:
A core-satellite approach is a great way to focus on long-term capital growth, while still allowing for the opportunity to juice returns through active portfolio management.
I don't know, seems like a similar approach to me.
Understanding The Core-Satellite Approach To Portfolio Construction FYI: The general principle behind the core-satellite approach is that a portfolio gets split into two parts.
One segment of the portfolio is committed to the core strategy of investing in cheap, diversified index funds. This is the portion of the portfolio that generally shouldn’t be traded, and should be regularly added to via investing in a workplace
retirement plan, IRA or some other systematic investing program.
The other segment is the satellite strategy, where investors can overweight in specific sectors, regions or styles in an attempt to take advantage of current economic and market conditions to produce outsized returns. This is the actively managed part of the overall portfolio. The advantage of this strategy is that the majority of the portfolio is focused on long-term wealth creation, but still allows for tilting the portfolio to try to outperform the market without taking on too much risk.
Regards,
Ted
http://mutualfunds.com/education/understanding-core-satellite-approach-portfolio-construction/
Emerging Markets Hi
@willmat72,
Now in
retirement, I consider myself a low moderate risk taker. I use to be a more aggressive investor and carry a higher allocation to stocks (60% to 70%) now 40% to 55%. My emerging market holdings account for about 25% of my foreign equity holdings. For me, the emerging market allocation (overall portfolio) for an aggressive investor would be 10% to 15% ... a moderate investor would range from 5% to 10% and a conserative investor would be from 0% to 5%. With this, I fall in the moderate range.
Old_Skeet
Bond Funds What are your suggestions for short-term bond funds and high-quality intermediate bond funds?
As always, age, risk tolerance, sources of income, needs and other factors need to be taken into consideration. I’ll assume poster in near or in
retirement. Umm ... I’ve probably got bonds coming out of my ears when considering all the balanced, hybrid and multi-income funds like RPSIX I own.
Right now I’m looking for safe shelter from a possible avalanche in equities. Not a prediction. Just a concern. So,
contrary to all the advice out there from people smarter than me, I’ve been adding to PRGMX (ginnie mae) in dabs and dribbles - including today. While I fully expect to lose some $$ on this position going forward, I consider it
one form of insurance against a recession and / or rout in the equity side. What I’m buying here is high grade govt. backed debt from a top money manager (albeit at inflated prices). And were equities to tumble and bonds rise, I’d exit that position rapidly. Not exactly “short term”. Effective duration in the 4-5 year range. More like intermediate I guess.
I generally don’t like to post trades. But am trying to address the question as fully as I can.
Comparison snapshot during current crazy market period: SFGIX vs. PRIJX If we stick to
@Crash's original question and not try and give our reasons for why or how it's different than other EM funds (it of course is - it's suppose to be), there is no splitting hairs.
I believe SFGIX gives good risk adjusted return. That's Foster's mandate. How the management team achieves that has been well described by Foster (see the MFO profile below). So back to crash's question,
Did SFGIX do its job of reducing losses in a downward-stretch?
Heck yeah - so far.
David writes some great fund profiles. The description he wrote in 2013 and updated in 2015 on SFGIX tells exactly how this fund gives great risk adjusted return. And it seems to work as evidence from the last week of market turmoil.
For an older guy like myself heading into
retirement who is some what risk adverse, it is a perfect way to "back-end" EM exposure.
https://www.mutualfundobserver.com/?s=sfgix
Tax loss harvesting question Has anyone here ever sold a fund and taken a loss in a non
retirement account, temporarily parked it in a different fund to harvest a loss for tax purposes and then moved it back into the original fund? How many days did you wait to repurchase the original fund to avoid the wash sale rules? I have read about it being 30 days in some places such as the link below and 60 days for stocks. I am considering doing this in a transfer from DBLNX to DODIX. I read this
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Wash_sale Does anyone think the IRS could rule DBLNX and DODIX are substantially identical funds (both intermediate bond funds) and thus tax harvesting cannot be done with them? Thx
M*: 25 Funds Investors Dumped In 2017 I'll speculate than if there continues to be about "10,000" baby boomers per day retiring; and a wild guess that if only 1/3 of them had a 401k/403b/457 plans; and that the majority of them perform an IRA rollover, then I will also speculate that they choose not to or don't have access to some of the funds available to them prior......some rotation of types of investments post-
retirement will take place, by chance, by choice, by force or by advisor.
An example of an excellent active managed fund, which is closed; is FDGRX . However, this fund remains open to new money within many Fidelity operated company
retirement accounts. The question remains going forward is if there will be more "outbound" money, versus "inbound" money in company
retirement accounts going forward until the last of the boomers retire in 2029.
Note: other share classes of such a fund may vary among
retirement plans.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/12/29/baby-boomers-retire/ Take care,
Catch
Here Is Another -- Totally Legitimate -- Way To Shield Money From Taxes FYI: I am jealous.
Any time you can protect your money from the tax man, I want in.
George Papadopoulos is 50 years old and has a tax-free stash to cover health care expenses that is close to $100,000 and growing. It will continue to grow for the rest of his life just like an Individual
Retirement Account.
“It’s a nice bucket of totally tax-free money,” the wealth manager from Novi, Mich., said.
The account is known as a Health Savings account, a financial device that is growing in popularity as the Baby Boomer generation chews through its golden years and their attendant health issues.
Regards,
Ted
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/get-there/wp/2018/02/01/here-is-another-totally-legitimate-way-to-shield-money-from-taxes/?utm_term=.080c24bc89a3
As Robo-Advisors Cross $200 Billion In Assets, Schwab Leads In Performance The numbers in the article for the Schwab robo seem accurate based on my own Intelligent Portfolio. Maybe a little higher then my actual return. My portfolio is about 62:26:12, eq:bonds:cash. I continue to bench mark my robo to make sure it is doing what I hoped. In comparing my own 2016 and 2017 return to some other balanced and target funds, it's doing just fine.
Comparing 2 year return as the article did, my robo beats the TRP 2020 retirement fund, Fidelity Balanced, Vanguard Balanced Index and the venerable Vanguard Wellington.
2016 2017 accumulative
VFINX 11.8 21.7 33.5
my robo 11.7 15.1 26.8
TRRBX 7.4 15.7 23.1
FBALX 7.0 16.5 23.5
VBINX 8.6 13.8 22.4
VWELX 11.0 14.7 25.7
So far so good :)
Fidelity® Small Cap Growth Fund to close to new investors https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/754510/000137949118000511/filing989.htm497 1 filing989.htm PRIMARY DOCUMENT
Supplement to the
Fidelity® Small Cap Growth Fund and Fidelity® Small Cap Value Fund
September 29, 2017
Prospectus
Effective the close of business on February 2, 2018, new positions in Fidelity® Small Cap Growth Fund (the fund) may no longer be opened. Shareholders of the fund on that date may continue to add to their fund positions existing on that date. Investors who did not own shares of the fund on February 2, 2018, generally will not be allowed to buy shares of the fund except that new fund positions may be opened: 1) by participants in most group employer
retirement plans (and their successor plans) if the fund had been established (or was in the process of being established) as an investment option under the plans (or under another plan sponsored by the same employer) by February 2, 2018, 2) by participants in a 401(a) plan covered by a master record keeping services agreement between Fidelity and a national federation of employers that included the fund as a core investment option by February 2, 2018, 3) for accounts managed on a discretionary basis by certain registered investment advisers that have discretionary assets of at least $500 million invested in mutual funds and have included the fund in their discretionary account program since February 2, 2018, 4) by a mutual fund or a qualified tuition program for which FMR or an affiliate serves as investment manager, 5) by a portfolio manager of the fund, and 6) by a fee deferral plan offered to trustees of certain Fidelity funds, if the fund is an investment option under the plan. These restrictions generally will apply to investments made directly with Fidelity and investments made through intermediaries. Investors may be required to demonstrate eligibility to buy shares of the fund before an investment is accepted...
PRHSX: Is it time to trim holdings? FRA= full retirement age. Eagerly waiting. Could have done at 62, but did not want to get into ACA.
Medicare is available at age 65. No need to wait for FRA to avoid individual health insurance. COBRA would let you back up to 63.5, and some states (e.g.
Cal-COBRA) provide COBRA-type coverage for three years. That could back you up all the way to 62.