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  • Preferred stock fund
    @MFO Members In addition to Ed's two suggestions, don't forget about Harry Domash's Dividend Detective's.
    Regards,
    Ted
    Harry Domash's Dividend Detective:
    http://www.dividenddetective.com/
    Quantum Online:
    http://www.quantumonline.com/QuickStartPF.cfm
    Dividend Yield Hunters:
    http://www.dividendyieldhunter.com/
  • Michael Lewis: Is The U.S. Stock Market Rigged ?
    There is a bit of financial demagoguery going on. Hopefully, it results in some transparency and increased knowledge. The problem with HFT is not in "front-running" but what else happens around it. HFT isn't competing with common investors or mutual funds in the way it is portrayed here.
    The key to understanding this is price discovery. Imagine a trade in very slow motion. Someone puts in a bid to buy a stock at $5 because he thinks it is fair value. Another puts in a bid to sell the same stock at $4 because he thinks that is a good price to get out for him. Now, is it fair to sell it at $5 or at $4? In either case, one of them got shortchanged given the buy/sell interest. This the basis of a market trade and a problem that needs to be solved.
    One might say, buy at the lowest sell bid price or sell at the highest buy bid price. But that only works if a buyer publishes his bid and the seller doesn't or vice versa. So neither have an incentive to publish their bid. What happens if there are no buyers or sellers at a reasonable price at some point in time and some one wants to sell or buy and has no reasonable basis to bid?
    You might say, each publishes their lowest and highest prices and sit on it until someone bites. The problem with this system is that the spreads become high and may diverge from the actual value of the share. We see this happen with thinly traded ETFs for example.
    This problem existed long before electronic trading and was solved by using Market Makers. These are designated entities who put their own both buy and sell orders to provide a current floor and ceiling around the current price. They are not investors competing with regular investors but entities providing a financial service. Not unlike the spreads created by foreign exchange kiosks with a buy and sell price. These entities were allowed access to current investor bids to determine their bids.
    These entities are risking money with their bids and they are not charities but they are not investing for stock appreciation but rather arbitraging the spread and do what might be called front-running, if they see an imbalance in bids. That is the price of the service offered to create price discovery not considered fixing the market. The effect of that arbitrage is to decrease the spreads and give orderly movements of the price up or down rather than a sequence of crashes. Investors tend to lose more without this system in place.
    This human solution didn't scale to electronic trading and when the trading was moved to pennies than fractions, the returns for market makers became too low for them to provide that service. In addition, with multiple exchanges, real time spreads between exchanges became a problem.
    It is incorrect to think that long term investing doesn't require instant price discovery. There are buyers and sellers at any instant whether they are investing for the long term or not. The fair pricing of assets for mutual fund transactions, for example, requires a "correct" price at all times even if all investors are investing for long term. Without efficient price discovery, there is no sensible investing possible without losing money to pricing inefficiencies.
    The solution for the electronic world was to move this market maker arbitrage to traders themselves who would create that price discovery with their own bids. Again, these are not investors that compete with regular investors but help keep the price discovery efficient and get incentivized by the spreads. Faster the trading ability, more efficient the price discovery as the spreads are arbitraged away. Note that while they make a penny or two, it helps investors with a correct price rather than a stale price at any time.
    The money made by these entities for this purpose is the cost of that service, not unlike the transaction fees by credit card companies for the credit card service they provide. As in a true free market solution, rather than select and designate market makers, anybody can become one by investing in the infrastructure to do fast trading. The competition keeps the spreads low.
    So, the common objection to HFT as "front-running" or trading with an advantage over small investor is more demagoguery than reality because it caters to ignorance and prejudices.
    That is the theory.
    If you want to fix this, one ought to come up with another system for this that provides similar price discovery and equally scalable.
    The problems with HFT are potential abuses of this access and the unintended or unexpected quantum effects as the decisions are made faster and faster relying on software that is prone to bugs and limitations. But that has nothing to do with this massive book related PR.
  • A Better Retirement Planner
    Reply to @Old_Joe:
    Hi OJ,
    Thank you.
    We share many similar traits and experiences. I really do believe that we are on the same page far more often than either you or I realize.
    Historically, there has always been risk in carting stuff from one place to somewhere else. Each situation is different and usually requires an engineering tradeoff study.
    Generally, trucking, the rails, and pipelines are candidate approaches, each offering special advantages and varying risk levels. I suspect most engineering assessments would conclude that pipelines usually provide safer transport prospects given continuously improving technology. We’ve made quantum leaps since the successful Roman aqueduct system carried water over hundreds of daunting mountain miles.
    Best Wishes.
  • AQR Risk Parity I AQRIX
    Reply to @scott: Thanks scott, as always. I just downloaded "The Quants" on Audible. Here is summary for others:
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    Publisher's Summary
    In March 2006, the world's richest men sipped champagne in an opulent New York hotel. They were preparing to compete in a poker tournament with ­million-dollar stakes. At the card table that night was Peter Muller, who managed a fabulously successful hedge fund called PDT. With him was Ken Griffin, who was the tough-as-nails head of Citadel Investment Group. There, too, were Cliff Asness, the sharp-tongued, mercurial founder of the hedge fund AQR Capital Management, and Boaz Weinstein, chess "life master" and king of the credit-default swap.
    Muller, Griffin, Asness, and Weinstein were among the best and brightest of a new breed, the quants. Over the past 20 years, this species of math whiz had usurped the testosterone-fueled, kill-or-be-killed risk takers who'd long been the alpha males of the world's largest casino. The quants believed that a cocktail of differential calculus, quantum physics, and advanced geometry held the key to reaping riches from the financial markets. And they helped create a digitized money-trading machine that could shift billions around the globe with the click of a mouse. Few realized that night, though, that in creating this extraordinary system, men like Muller, Griffin, Asness, and Weinstein had sown the seeds for history's greatest financial disaster.
    ©2010 Scott Patterson, Random House

  • To Own Hedge Funds or Not
    Reply to @scott:
    Hi Scott,
    Thanks for your thoughtful and thought provoking reply. It expanded both the thinking and opinion horizons on the topic. Great stuff.
    We both see the gathering Hedge fund dynasties in much the same light. I agree Hedge fund managers are very likely smarter than Mutual fund managers. Hedge funds draw their cadre from the superior performing mutual fund management pool. However, successful financial wizards often fall victim to excessive ego trips caused by an overestimation of skill sets and an underestimation of the luck contribution to their performance story.
    There is little doubt that Hedge funds have prospered recently as their numbers and their increasing wealth accumulation have been nothing short of phenomenal. However, it is not clear if that wealth accumulation has filtered down to the private investor level.
    The financial sector is populated by plenty of smart folks. But smart people do not always produce superior outcomes. Many books have been produced that fully document that observation.
    Simon Lack has generated a scathing book of hedge fund failures in his “The Hedge Fund Mirage”. He observes, with a distortion of Sir Winston Churchill’s famous World War II remark, that “Never in the field of human finance was so much charged by so many for so little”.
    The books opening, eye-popping statistic reveals that if all the money ever invested in hedge funds had instead been safely placed in US Treasury Bills, the returns would have been double those delivered by the inventive and the undisciplined Hedge fund army. The industry does have a few outstanding exemplars; their impact is severely diluted by the more numerous miscreants and copycats.
    I’m thinking now of the likes of John Merriwether’s LTCM over-leveraged demise, of Amaranth Advisors highly publized 2006 failure, and of course, of Bernie Madoff’s malfeasance and disgrace.
    A few papers on the Hedge fund industry highlight this aspect from several perspectives, both supportive and otherwise. On an anecdotal basis, the Hedge fund record, at least that fraction of it that the average investor has access to, is littered with startling survival dropouts and shocking return disparities.
    Immediately following are two distinguished references that take opposite sides of the Hedge fund risk-reward controversy. The first is coauthored by Burton Malkiel of “Random Walk Down Wall Street” fame; the second is by a less well known authority, George Van from Van HF Advisors International who wrote that the Malkiel-Saha paper was deeply flawed.
    A Link to a summary the Malkiel-Saha paper by the authors themselves follows:
    http://www.frbatlanta.org/news/conferen/06fmc/06fmc_malkiel.pdf
    The Link to Van’s paper is:
    http://www.intelligenthedgefundinvesting.com/pubs/rb-gvzs.pdf
    Note that both references were generated by vested interests and are likely to have views that are shaped by a divergent set of financial incentives. A basic understanding of the motivations underpinning any source is critical when assessing the merits and shortcomings of the position advocated.
    A more balanced, and perhaps less biased study was reported by Morningstar. The work was headed by Roger Ibbotson and is titled “The ABCs of Hedge Funds”. It includes data through 2009. Here is the Link to the paper:
    http://corporate.morningstar.com/ib/documents/MethodologyDocuments/IBBAssociates/ABCHedgeFundReturns.pdf
    The paper shows that “results indicate that both survivorship and backfill biases are potentially serious problems. Adjusting for these biases brings the net return from 14.88% to 7.70% for the equally weighted sample.”
    This is yet another buyer beware cautionary signal. You get to choose your own poison. The debate and the controversy, even about the data sources, rage with spirited interchanges.
    George Soros surely demonstrated the Midas Touch with his currency genius, gambles, and attacks. In 1992, Soros's Quantum Fund became famous for "breaking" the Bank of England, forcing it to devalue the pound. The Quantum fund is no longer available to outsiders, but had a sterling record under the leadership of Soros, Jim Rodgers, and Stanley Druckenmiller. It’s funny to recollect that I once tried to become a client, but didn’t satisfy their high net worth standards.
    Consider Julian Robertson, his Tiger fund, and his long-short investment strategy. It worked until it stopped working. He closed his Tiger fund in 2000, but is still an active player by providing seed money to promising Hedge fund manager candidates. He is a brilliant investor as are Myron Scholes and Robert Merton, Noble Laureates, whose analytical models contributed to the LTCM problem.
    The risks for a small investor is the potential for massive losses. The potential upside is extremely limited when considering the long term persistency requirements of most investors, and the eroding effects caused by high annual fees,
    The huge disparity of Hedge fund historical performance among its numerous categories is still another cause for caution.
    Hedge funds have a checkered record, even under the watchful scrutiny of institutional agencies like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. The managers of these endowments split their resources between conservative Index holdings and far more aggressive Hedge fund operators. If these super-investors can not make a definitive decision, it is a daunting challenge for even a knowledgeable private investor. If selecting an active mutual fund manager is like walking through a briar-patch, deciding on a Hedge fund manager must be like choosing a pathway through a minefield.
    The diverse categories that populate the Hedge fund industry add to the confusion and uncertainty. Performance differences between these categories are huge and unstable over even intermediate timeframes. The rewards are there, but so is the risk, especially for an individual investor who is typically denied access to the truly superior Hedge fund managers. These guys are few, and their best interests are served by seeking institutional clients. You know who they primarily serve.
    From my perspective, the Hedge fund waters are too murky for the individual investor. The reporting is spotty and the regulations are too thin. Navigating these less well charted choppy waters is too demanding a sailing chore given the uncertain risk-reward tradeoffs.
    Thanks again for your fine submittal.
    Best Wishes.
  • Wondering if it is possible to reference comments to other responders within a thread...
    Hey OJ.......Howdy,
    bee and I are performing a test here at MFO, based in grammar study, the meaning of words, comprehension and retention of the implied meaning; and interpretation of the implied meaning. Kinda like attempting to read a congressional bill for a full understanding of the intent of the original document.
    Some questions and answers are best suited in a real-time, face to face format, eh?
    'Course, we could have been attempting to discuss quantum mechanics theory. Nah, then all of the words could have traveled into a black hole.
    I have been house painting for 2 weeks and may be impaired from chemical fumes.
    Take care,
    Catch
  • Preferred stock ETF's
    Dear Alex: For years I have owned a number of preferred stocks, and have had reasonable appreciation along with excellent yields. In terms of ETF's, I own ishares Preferred Stock Fund (PFF).
    Here are some others:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/portfolio/pf_29/view/v2
    In addition, I linking two very helpful preferred stock sites:
    WSJ List Of Preferred Stocks:
    http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3024-Preferreds.html?mod=mdc_uss_pglnk
    Quantum Online.Com : http://www.quantumonline.com/QuickStart.cfm
    Regards,
    Ted