SUNW vs NVDA Respecting
@stillers request we start a new thread to discuss NVDA etc here goes
My favorite Dot.com quote from Scott McNeely CEO of SUN
"At 10 times revenues, to give you a 10-year payback, I have to pay you 100% of revenues for 10 straight
years in dividends. That assumes I can get that by my shareholders. That assumes I have zero cost of goods sold, which is very hard for a computer company. That assumes zero expenses, which is really hard with 39,000 employees. That assumes I pay no taxes, which is very hard. And that assumes you pay no taxes on your dividends, which is kind of illegal. And that assumes with zero R&D for the next 10
years, I can maintain the current revenue run rate. Now, having done that, would any of you like to buy my stock at $64? Do you realize how ridiculous those basic assumptions are? You don’t need any transparency. You don’t need any footnotes. What were you thinking?"
NVDA Price to Revenue is three or four times SUNW then
This quote is from the Felder report
https://thefelderreport.com/2017/10/26/what-were-you-thinking/I would post the stock chart image if I knew how. It is in the link. ( at 72 I must admit I am a bit technologically challenged)
Bottom line: "a chart of Sun Micro from 1996 to 2006. It started around $5 ran up to that $64 Scott mentions and then fell right back to $5. And you would think this might serve as a cautionary tale for investors today."
Mag 7 Holdings - How Much You Got? In case this thread survives as intended, I'll routinely recap what's been posted so as not to lose track of it.
FWIW, VERY surprising (to me at least) results so far!
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@stillers:
21.2% - See OP for breakdown
@Art:
Since I have stocks only at this time it's easy. NVDA at 3%.@habsui:
I put 2.4% of PV into AMZN,MSFT,GOOG over 11 years ago.
Only sold a little AMZN. So ... about 30%.@hank:
I stay as far away as I can from them.@sma3:
about 3%...Mostly MSFT for years. No TSLA or META Both run by lunatics!
Mag 7 Holdings - How Much You Got? about 3%
Mostly MSFT for years. No TSLA or META Both run by lunatics!
GQHPX GQG Partners US Quality Div. Income GSIHX was mentioned in Morningstar FundInvestor (February 2024).
"Led by manager Rajiv Jain, Goldman Sachs GQG
Partners International Opportunities has continued to
build upon its strong record. Over the 12 months
ended January 2024, the fund’s 20.6% return crushed
the MSCI ACWI ex USA Index’s 5.9% return. The
fund’s performance ranked in the top decile of its
foreign large-growth Morningstar Category in
calendar years 2022 and 2023, a rare feat considering
the drastically different market environments."
Mag 7 Holdings - How Much You Got? Thanks
@Observant1And I wasn’t predicting an immediate
precipice. or drawing a direct parallel to 2000. Odds are these stocks will continue to move a lot higher before something breaks. Possibly for
years. And it should be noted that even folks who bought tech funds at the top in 2000 made out just fine if they held on for the next 15
years.
Mag 7 Holdings - How Much You Got? I won’t change your mind, and you won’t change mine, I simply shared an episode from years ago, Personally, I’m standing clear. Lots of other places to invest. It’s your money to do what you want with. A year ago folks were salivating all over about 5% money market funds following a 18% fall in the S&P and a drop of 33% on the NASDAQ the year before. I thought that the clamor for cash was a bit excessive as well.
Mag 7 Holdings - How Much You Got? "The NASDAQ did not again rise to its 2001 peak until 15 years later”
I wonder how many of the stocks in the NASDAQ at it's 2001 peak are in it today.
Mag 7 Holdings - How Much You Got? I stay as far away as I can from them.
Dot-com bubble of 1999-2000
“During the late 1990s, the values of internet-based stocks rose sharply. As a result, the technology-dominated NASDAQ Composite Index (NASDAQINDEX:^|XIC) surged from 1,000 points in 1995 to more than 5,000 in 2000. But in early 2001, the dot-com stock bubble started to burst. The NASDAQ peaked at 5,048.62 points on March 10. The index would go on to plummet by 76.81% until it reached a low of 1,139.90 points on Oct. 4, 2002. The primary cause of this crash was overvalued internet stocks. Many investors speculated that dot-com companies - even those without revenues - would one day become extremely profitable. As a result, they poured money into the sector, driving up the valuation of every company with "dot-com" in its name. The stock market bubble burst when the Federal Reserve Board tightened its monetary policy, constraining the flow of capital. The NASDAQ did not again rise to its 2001 peak until 15 years later”SourceI have vivid memories of that period. Wasn’t pretty for those that had drunk the Kool Aid.
Most dangerous words in investing:
“This time it’s different …”
Trying to pull up some 2008 performance numbers Thanks Yogi. People seem to love or hate the fund in its various guises. Morningstar takes aim at it for any number of reasons … Franklin’s Desai in this year’s Barron’s Roundtable recommends it as a top pick. (obviously a biased source ). What she said in Barron’s:
Desai: - ”I will stick with the Franklin Income fund, which I have recommended in the past. It has a 12-month yield of 5.66% and has paid dividends for 70 years. The fund invests across multiple asset classes. Its current equity allocation, 35%, is among the lowest in its history, and tilted to value names that have lagged behind the broader market. That could provide upside potential.”
It’s a weird fund in that it seems to have a risk / reward profile closer to an equity fund than an “income” fund. About 30% equities at present and 65% bonds. The bonds appear evenly split between investment grade and BBB and below.
Added: Not a recommendation. But before buying the OEF discussed above, I’d take a look at less than 1-year old INCM. Same managers. Very similar allocation. ER much lower at .38%
GQHPX GQG Partners US Quality Div. Income ..the firm's AUM has grown tremendously over the past few years.
The AUM for GQC funds is actually fairly modest. What skews the average is the GS fund (GSIHX) sub-advised by GQC. Interestingly, there is not a pure GQC fund which mirrors the intent of GSIHX. Reading Jain's commentary, he clearly values stocks which provide a dividend, as he sees this plus the reinvestment of the dividend to be an excellent way to build wealth. This view is confirmed by examining the funds available on the GQC website.
I own GSIHX in a taxable account as well as an IRA. I may transfer the taxable account into GQJPX. With a TTM distribution of 4.44%, that is competitive with other international funds with a divi focus such as IDVO or SCHY, but with an emphasis on stock selection.
Mag 7 Holdings - How Much You Got? I put 2.4% of PV into AMZN,MSFT,GOOG over 11 years ago.
Only sold a little AMZN. So ... about 30%..
GQHPX GQG Partners US Quality Div. Income Rajiv Jain has performed admirably as an investor.
I considered investing with GQG but "key person risk" in Mr. Jain is a real concern for me.
Also, the firm's AUM has grown tremendously over the past few years.
T+1 Settlement Starts on 28 May 2024
T+1 Settlement Starts on 28 May 2024 About time,, when did computers come on the scene... 1970-80? Only took 40 years to get to T+1
No kidding. Progress, right? While T+3 was needed when things were paper-based, I suspect it's probably stuck around so long b/c brokerages liked having T+3 and T+2 days to collect interest on unsettled funds? I guess the SEC finally said, "no, this is bad for investors."