Vanguard created big tax bills for target-date fund investors, lawsuit claims would expect a ruling before this issue becomes a class action law suitThe suit was filed as a class action lawsuit. The cited piece reads: "The plaintiffs ... seek compensation for the alleged harm
on behalf of a class of similarly situated investors nationwide."
What is the problem with that? This seems to be exactly the type of suit for which class actions were created - large number of plaintiffs, similarly situated, a common transaction, and not worth most people's time and money to sue on their own.
Assuming the court finds that some duty was breached by Vanguard, calculating damages will be interesting, since tax liabilities would seem to be more a matter of when a taxpayer owes taxes (i.e. when a taxpayer recognizes gain) than if a taxpayer owes the taxes. It could be a question of time value of money, not added tax liability.
The duty question: Vanguard has tax-managed funds. These were not promoted as such. Did Vanguard have any duty to consider tax implications?
Tax recognition timing: a plaintiff might argue that the recognition of gain was not certain - the fund shares could be bequeathed or donated to charities. So the damages should be the full amount of taxes due. OTOH, these are funds marketed as retirement funds, i.e. funds expected to be sold down during retirement. Arguably while other dispositions are possible, they might be considered speculative while gradual disinvestment would be considered the norm.
If it does come down to a question of timing (recognizing gain now rather than say, from age 65 to 95, then the damages might be just the time value of the taxes paid now rather than over those 30
years. Current discount rate (even with the 0.25% fed hike) is pretty low.
Lowering the institutional series' minimum was a stupid thing for Vanguard to do, given that it was going to merge the institutional and retail series of funds a few months later. But stupid and negligent are not the same, and in any case, the tax bills would have come due sooner or later.
See also
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2022/03/15/vanguard-hit-with-class-action-suit-over-target-date-fund-tax-bills/
Ping the Board FWIIW, the Providence Journal was a staple in our household when I was a kid. Utilities buy-outs can work well for the investor if the stars align. A few years back, M* signaled that ICT, the electric transmission company, was a possible target. Sure enough, the ICT sign outside a station in my current town, reads “A Fortis Company.” The ICT shareholders, and moi aussi, got a decent premium. Never mind the false leads I followed, OK?
Buy Sell Why: ad infinitum. Sold out of PTIAX. Preserve profit. Pay off the furniture we bought at zero interest.
The rest will go into the sweep account until I consider my options. A chance to grow cash. Never managed to do that, in all these years. Dry powder is good to have around.
FOMC Statement, 3/16/22 From Washing Post this morning,
signaled far more rate hikes, a total of seven for this year, marking a big first step in the Fed’s precarious fight to rein in the highest inflation in 40 years.
If 25 bps per hike, 7x0.25 = 1.75% by year end. Fed missed the boat completely to combat inflation last year. The “transitory” term should be long gone.
FOMC Statement, 3/16/22 Press conference upcoming. May move markets.
After the FOMC announcement equities did a U-turn. Dow fell about 200-300 points over a few minutes to about flat at present. Had been strong earlier in day. Gold ticked up $5, but is still off $15 for the day at near $1900. P/M iminers are off 2% as of 2:30.
If I heard right, the fed is predicting a return to their target 2% inflation within the next few years.
(But didn’t offer to sell anyone a bridge).
CEF. SOR. Source Capital Romick also runs FPACX which is a sorta go anywhere moderate allocation fund that used to have stellar results with low risk. ( I think David has a chunk in his IRA, but I could be wrong. At one point it was closed although Schwab had special shares they sold somehow. It has done better than SOR in the last few years, but you would have to get really down in the weeds to figure out why.
Have you ever wondered? @Bobpa, do you remember the kiddie-ride at the amusement park where a little kid would sit in a little car and go around in a circle? Kids would turn that little steering wheel frantically pretending they were controlling the direction of that little car. Towards the end of the ride they would usually just sit back in the seat and enjoy the ride with a somewhat bored look on their face. That's at times how I've felt about investing over the
years.
Cool!
@MikeM And in a few
years it won’t be kiddie cars. You’ll hop (crawl?) into a real car with or w/o a steering wheel and off you’ll go!
:)
Re the question. Never look back! … But of course we all do dumb things or “step right when we should’ve stepped left.”
To rephrase an old country song:
“I was commodities when commodities wasn’t cool”. Lost my shirt in Oppenheimer’s now defunct commodities fund (QRAAX) back during the worst commodities bear market in history. They shut it down just as commodities showed signs of coming to life.
Have you ever wondered? @Bobpa, do you remember the kiddie-ride at the amusement park where a little kid would sit in a little car and go around in a circle? Kids would turn that little steering wheel frantically pretending they were controlling the direction of that little car. Towards the end of the ride they would usually just sit back in the seat and enjoy the ride with a somewhat bored look on their face. That's at times how I've felt about investing over the
years.
OIL
Tough Day in Bond Land @Charles- You might want to talk to johnN. He's been an enthusiastic buyer of individual bonds for many
years.
OJ
TRP CEFs Traditionally, indexed ETFs were not required to disclose holdings on a daily basis. The rules were changed in the past few
years; in 2015 the WSJ wrote:
here’s what many ETF investors probably don’t know: Passively managed ETFs—those that seek to track an index—actually aren't required to disclose all of their portfolio holdings daily.
Many fund sponsors voluntarily provide that information. But at least one major ETF sponsor, Vanguard Group, doesn’t.
Index funds do have to make available to so-called "authorized participants"—typically large institutional organizations, such as large securities firms—what's known as a "creation basket" daily. That list of securities typically [but not always] mirrors an ETF’s holdings or is a representative sample. Authorized participants who assemble and deliver that specified basket of securities receive ETF shares in its place.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-TOTALB-2415My point here is just that IMHO transparency is overrated. Vanguard ETFs worked well for many
years without it. So long as the arbitrage mechanism with authorized participants and portfolio composition files (creation basket/redemption basket) works well to keep market price close to NAV, daily transparency isn't essential.
As Sven noted, mutual funds generally take their full 30 days plus to disclose portfolios and investors are okay with that.
Surely no list of offbeat active ETFs that voluntarily release holdings on a daily basis would be complete without mentioning ARKK's d
aily disclosure.
Plummeting commodity prices and inflation? @Junkster said,
“don’t want my bearish bias to influence me …”I resemble that remark. :)
I don’t think I can time the markets. (Perhaps others can.) I almost always regret it. Raising my “alternative” sleeve from 30% to 40% is probably the best move I’ve made recently. it’s a moderate but diversified mix of various strategies and includes one equity. Some came out of growth and some out of income. Reduces neck discomfort from all the whip-saw action.
Still holding another 9-10% in hedges against equity downdrafts. About half of that in TAIL - which reduces the discomfort evident in that classic “Observer” thrill-ride photo that’s already been reposted.
Gold’s down over $45 today to just above $1900. May seem like a lot - but need to remember it got down to $1700 on 2 or more occasions in 2021. So still well above that.
EDIT: While gold is down, the p/m miners are having a decent day up nearly 1%. Looks like the industrial metals have trimmed their morning losses as well.
You can believe in inflation without giving it a name or degree: ie “transient”, “rampant”, “slight” or “just about right”. I can’t think of any other reason for those of us with gray hair (or none at all) to put a single dime at risk unless we think paper currencies will buy less in coming
years than they do today.
Plummeting commodity prices and inflation? Alex Eule, Barron's writes | Monday, March 14
"One change from the first days of the war, though, is that oil prices are now falling. That's possibly on hopes of a resolution, but more likely because China shutdowns are threatening the global demand for energy. Crude fell 5.8% on the day, to $103.01 a barrel. It's down 17% since March 8."
"For nearly two years, though, it's been the tale of two pandemics. As cases surged in the U.S. and Europe, China's "Zero-Covid" approach seemed to work. Covid waves in the West continued to crest, while China's numbers were virtually flat. Chinese factories kept going, one bright spot amid the global supply chain's problems.
But on Sunday, China reported 1,800 new cases of symptomatic Covid, its highest daily total in two years. The country put Shenzhen and its nearly 18 million residents under a new lockdown that will last at least a week. Shenzhen is home to key manufacturing facilities, including Apple iPhone assembler Foxconn. Shanghai is also dealing with new lockdowns."
Golden Dragon China PGJ I concur with your assessment on COVID. With respect to COVID death in China, I don’t think that data was public released and verified. It is more likely than not that the death figure is much higher, given the high population density and limited medical care.
China is an important component in the EM index, but there are many concerns, especially today. The delisting of many Chinese firms in US indexes is alarming and why are they there to begin with if they fail to fulfill the reporting/auditing requirements.
Several years ago, Andrew Foster of Seafarer asked whether China market is investable. I have since reduced my EM exposure.
Forsyth’s in top form this week …. :) Plus - Recession Approaching & 70s Style Inflation … @hank, hope all is well with you. Situation is quite different today than that of the 70’s. Today, the Fed is part of the market instead being the last resort of lending during the period of financial crisis. By keeping the interest rate low since 2008’s Great Recession is beyond unnecessary while distorting the market and its valuation. Now we are facing high inflation and there are few option except to raise rate for the next few
years.
By the way, I come to this board to learn from others experience. Also MFO helped me to pick few great funds that I wouldn’t know about. As always the monthly commentary is first class.
A recent post from LizAnn Sounders (Schwab) may shed more insight on the current situation.
https://schwab.com/resource-center/insights/content/market-snapshotAlso there is transcript posted below the video. Enjoy.
My Commodities Basket got clobbered today - DBC Investech is a pretty good analysis of overall market, with a great track record of avoiding large downdrafts.
However, Stack's model portfolio is all in equity ETFs, not true commodity funds. Currently he has 4% in XLE( energy), 4% in XLB( Basic materials), 6% XLI ( industrials) and 5% GDX ( Gold miners). XLE trades closest to an underlying commodity, I guess wit GDX second.
However the correlations with the SP500 for all of these ETFs are pretty high. Last one year, only XLE was negative. Three years GDX the lowest still has R of .46.
Commodity ETFs like DBC, DBA and GCC all have very low correlations to SP500. Always under .3 and for the last year close to zero.
I certainly agree there are busts in Commodity cycles, but when the are at the bottom of a cycle, a small percentage is a great diversifier, especially at the valuations of the SP500 we have now.