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  • American Funds F1 shares can be purchased no-load.
    @Bitzer - I was commenting on the fee structure more than the component structure of these funds. Because I don't generally concentrate on target funds, and in particular not on funds that add such a large second layer of fees, I'm not familiar with the PIMCO funds beyond what I wrote.
    However, since each family's collection of target date funds has a different glide path, narrowing down the cause of performance differences is a multi-step process. Start by comparing 2030 funds' allocations - does the PIMCO 2030 fund have a higher allocation than other 2030 funds to stocks (and did stocks do better than bonds), or vice versa? If the stock portion outperformed, was it because it had more (or less) international exposure/small cap/value than its peers?
    If you reach the conclusion that the allocation (either stocks/bonds, or allocation within stocks or within bonds) was not the cause of the performance difference, then you need to look at the underlying funds. Did one of them have an unusually good year? If so, that's likely the cause, and you're down to the usual question: why did this underlying vanilla fund do well last year?
    As far as good AF go, I have always liked AEGFX, and I agree with rforno about CIBFX. The latter has held up better than MALOX over the past several years and is cheaper to boot. Not that I've figured out how to purchase MALOX, though it does have a memorable ticker.
  • American Funds F1 shares can be purchased no-load.
    We have been working with clients for more than 30 years and have seen a boatload of changes in the fund industry. As one poster noted, advisors have been able to use F-1 shares for many years, but individual investors could not. But the fact is that fee-only advisors have been the ones using this option, not the commission folks. It is always frustrating for us to see a new client come in with their account statements that show 4-6 American Funds, with a ton of overlap, thinking they are diversified. What was their "advisor" thinking? Pretty obvious, seems to me. Also know that for years, American Funds were "top shelf" options in many commission-based brokerages, meaning the rep earned a higher percentage of the gross commission if she/he pushed those products to clients. Not sure if this still happens, but the fund companies paid the broker-dealers to get on that top-shelf list. While American Funds, by and large, have been an ok group, their numerous large cap US funds are pretty-much defacto index funds when you compare size, number of holdings, Beta, STD, and other measures. And they fared about the same as the S&P 500 in the 2007-08 meltdown. There are certainly much worse load fund families out there.
  • Question for the board for investing inherited money for daughter
    For an allocation fund whose performance has hugged the return of the S&P 500 for the past 10 years, go for the Bruce Fund (BRUFX). It's by far my biggest MF holding.
    Don't you wish Bruce Fund offered a cash position? I have my H.S.A with Bruce and would like to park some of my money in a cash position instead of having to redeem shares when I need to pay for health related expenses.
    I do love the Spartan website. Old School. I have automated my contributions by using the bill pay services offered through my bank's checking account and I have learned to tempered my enthusiasm for redemptions since the US mail is the only method available for receiving withdrawals.
    I'm hoping all of these "old school hurdles" are too much trouble for the "above average high tech" investor to except and it remains the fund less traveled.
  • Question for the board for investing inherited money for daughter
    For an allocation fund whose performance has hugged the return of the S&P 500 for the past 10 years, go for the Bruce Fund (BRUFX). It's by far my biggest MF holding.
  • A Top Fund Makes The Value Case For Verizon
    How is this considered a top fund? Check out their performance during the past 3 years.
  • Good Buys Among Closed-End Muni Funds
    FYI: (Click On Article Title At Top Of Google Search)
    Closed-end municipal bond funds have been smart investments for the past three years. They’ve returned an average of 12% annually over that time and are up a stunning 16% in the past year alone, according to Morningstar.
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://www.google.com/#q=Good+Buys+Among+Closed-End+Muni+Funds+Barron;s
  • REITs . . .
    Real Estate Weekly Review: REITs See Biggest Weekly Decline In 2 Years
    Oct. 7, 2016 6:51 PM ET
    Hoya Capital Real Estate
    Summary
    The REIT Index retreated by 5% this week following 2% decline last week. All sectors were lower. REITs are now up only 3% YTD, down 13% from its recent highs.
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    With graphics and charts
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/4010922-real-estate-weekly-review-reits-see-biggest-weekly-decline-2-years
    Article featuring Cohen and Steers ,the company. Bloomberg.com Charles Stein
    September 12, 2016
    Cohen & Steers Inc., this year’s top-performing money manager, has prospered by satisfying the appetites of investors who crave higher yields.
    Assets at the company, which specializes in real estate investment trusts and preferred securities, rose 17 percent to $61.5 billion in the first seven months of the year, driven by market appreciation and more than $4.5 billion in net customer deposits.
    The company’s oldest mutual fund, the $6 billion Cohen & Steers Realty Shares, returned more than 12 percent annualized over the past 25 years, compared with 9.2 percent for the S&P 500 Index. The fund, up 12 percent this year, has a dividend yield of 2.5 percent, superior to the payouts on the 10-year Treasury note or the S&P 500. Its performance is similar to the Vanguard REIT Index Fund over the past three and five years.
    “Higher-yielding REITs are attractive in a low-yield environment,” said Alec Lucas, a Morningstar analyst who follows the real estate fund.
    The attraction extends beyond the U.S. With bond yields depressed throughout the developed world, Cohen & Steers’s president and chief investment officer, Joseph Harvey, told analysts on a July conference call that investors “are scrambling for yield and we believe our strategies will continue to benefit.”
    The firm pulled in $840 million during the second quarter from its subadvisory business in Japan through a partnership with Daiwa Asset Management. Most of the money went into U.S. REITs, which are popular in Japan.
    The $6.8 billion Cohen & Steers Preferred Securities and Income Fund, which has a dividend yield of 5.3 percent, gathered $1.4 billion in deposits in the first seven months of 2016, data from Morningstar show. Preferred shares, considered a stock-debt hybrid, tend to appeal to income-oriented investors.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-12/year-s-top-money-manager-gets-boost-from-yield-starved-investors
  • American Funds F1 shares can be purchased no-load.
    This basically means they are acknowledging active management is worthless. Loads which are wrong in first place add insult to injury.
    I'm sure ER is jacked up on those F1 class shares.
    That's all a tad cynical, don't you think?
    If opening up sales channels is an acknowledgment that active management is worthless, then is closing some sales channels (e.g. converting from a no load family to a load family) is a declaration that active management is great? Perhaps it is simply a way of optimizing business, taking into consideration effects on sales force (brokers/advisors), cash flows, AUM, performance, etc.?
    American Funds has for many years sold its funds in both load and no load share classes. If, say, Fidelity, did that, would they also be wrong? Oh wait, they do, e.g. FFRHX & FFRAX. As do PIMCO, American Century, and various other fund houses.
    American Funds has been selling F shares since 2002 (they became F-1 in 2008 when AF launched F-2 w/o the 12b-1 fee).
    I checked the 2003 EuroPacific Fund prospectus. The F shares were indeed slightly more expensive when they started out: They had a 12b-1 fee of 0.25%, while the A shares had a 12b-1 fee of just 0.14%. So the F shares were11 basis points more expensive.
    But by 2008 when F-2 launched, both A and F-1 shares had a 0.25% 12b-1 fee, and virtually ERs. It looks like they jacked up the load share class fee, not the other way around.
  • American Funds F1 shares can be purchased no-load.
    @MFO: For many years Capital Group has had a number of excellent active funds in it's stable, but for the loads they would have had a lot more AUM giving Fidelity and Vanguard a run for their money.
    Regards,
    Ted
  • American Funds F1 shares can be purchased no-load.
    If I recall correctly, somewhere in the 1990s or early 2000s, American Funds F shares (before they split into F-1 and F-2) were available through some second tier brokerages. That is, not Fidelity or Schwab, but some of the more obscure brokerages of the time.
    Regarding loads and advice. Over at M*, John Rekenthaler wrote a column a few years ago (that I cannot seem to find) detailing why loads can actually work better (read: cost less) than other forms of compensation for small investors.
    What I could find was a more recent paragraph by him summarizing his position (with which I concur):
    While most financial writers--and many if not most of this column's readers--believe that commission-based advice is inherently worse than advice that is purchased by ongoing fees (mostly asset-based, sometimes flat), I do not. A front-end load fund that is bought and held for the long term is a relatively cheap investment and often a relatively good one at that. What matters is not the payment structure for the advice, but if it is offered solely in the client's best interest and comes at a fair cost.
    Emphasis added.
    He goes on to sketch figures comparing access and costs of wrap accounts vs. loads, though in the broader context of discussing the new DOL fiduciary rule.
    http://ibd.morningstar.com/article/article.asp?id=718083&CN=brf295,http://ibd.morningstar.com/archive/archive.asp?inputs=days=14;frmtId=12, brf295
    Since I don't seek advice (heck, I actively run away from anyone pushing advice at me), this "back to the future" sales channel of American Funds is attractive to me, as it may be for many people here. But it won't work for everyone.
  • Big Bets Come Back To haunt Franklin Templeton's Global Bond Fund
    I disagree.
    I owned a bunch of this several years ago. Viewed the fund as a series of discrete bets on currency movements (utilizing relatively low-credit-risk sovereign bonds as the means to make those bets).
    When I first found out about his big bets in Ukrainian bonds, after the Russian aggression, I decided to exit. -- The risks Hassenstab is taking with his investors bond money doesn't suit me.
  • Big Bets Come Back To haunt Franklin Templeton's Global Bond Fund
    On the contrary, the fund is exactly what most advisors expect. Those who saw Mr. Hasenstab's unique style and were early to the fund have done well for their investors. Virtually every manager will have a period of 2-3 year span of underperformance. Just as the hot money flowed into TGBAX after it's returns were great, 2005-2010, the same performance-chasing money is now moving out. Nothing has changed from a strategy or philosophy standpoint, but the bets the last couple of years have not paid out. They may do so yet. Contrary to M* comments, advisors and investors who actually take the time to know this fund have never expected it to be tame and run for capital preservation. It is a different vehicle that happens to own bonds, like it or not. It has been a big diversifier for portfolios over its long history with Hasenstab at the helm. We captured some long-term gains late last year and early this year, moving dollars to VTABX, thereby splitting international bonds into two very different pots.
  • Big Bets Come Back To haunt Franklin Templeton's Global Bond Fund
    FYI: The $44 billion Templeton Global Bond Fund (TGBAX) is probably not what most financial advisers would expect from a strategy in such a bland and stoic category as world bond funds.
    But, based on the pace of money flowing out of the fund over the past few years, advisers and investors are catching on that this is far from a plain vanilla global fixed-income portfolio.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20161005/BLOG12/161009971?template=printart
    M* Snapshot:TPINX:
    http://www.morningstar.com/funds/XNAS/TPINX/quote.html
    Lipper Snapshot:TPINX:
    http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/Fund/TPINX
    TPINX Ranks #44 In The (WB) Fund Category By U.S. News & World Report:
    http://money.usnews.com/funds/mutual-funds/world-bond/templeton-global-bond-fund/tpinx
  • Question for the board for investing inherited money for daughter
    While I know I'm a one trick pony, for my grandchildren and children's investments that I'm funding, I'm using VMVFX. ER 0.27. It trailed the S&P this year, but doubled its global stock peers, according to M*. The track record is short, but Vanguard's heritage is relatively long, and they select managers carefully.
    If you are looking at 30 years before you become cautious (your daughter, I presume, although I wish you well), I think some of the money should be averaged in there. I'm waiting for a significant drop to add more, but as GRT and River Road Independent Value liquidate, I tell my children to put the proceeds there. Vanguard isn't perfect, but how much effort does your daughter plan to devote to managing her money, and how good is she at it?
  • Question for the board for investing inherited money for daughter
    Unless your daughter wishes to make/upgrade a housing purchase in the next 5 years,growth is the word !
    T. Rowe Price Global Technology Fund PRGTX ( 10% )
    https://www.google.com/finance?q=MUTF:PRGTX&ei=48r1V-CDHtXLjAH27bDQDw
    T. Rowe Price Health Sciences PRHSX ( 10% )
    https://www.google.com/finance?q=MUTF:PRHSX&ei=vcr1V8DGJ8T2jAGTt67QDg
    iShares S&P SmallCap 600 Growth (Etf)(NYSEARCA :IJT (36% )
    https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSEARCA:IJT&ei=Zcr1V_jyIIKK2AbS2IW4Bg
    SPDR S&P 500 Etf Trust(NYSEARCA: SPY (30%)
    https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSEARCA:SPY&ei=Fsr1V5CXPMWr2Abc5bqwAQ
    iShares Barclays Aggregate Bond Fund(NYSEARCA: AGG (10 %)
    https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSEARCA:AGG&ei=EMn1V5C-L8Gs2AaYraygCg
    100 shares @ $21.00 :ROIC (4%) One of @Scott's mentions a while back.
    Retail Opportunity Investments Corp(NASDAQ :ROIC
    ..specializes in the acquisition, ownership and management of necessity-based community and neighborhood shopping centers on the west coast
    https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:ROIC&ei=98j1V6GGMszEjAGq-YLIAg
    Millennials
    Here's some info on the Millennial Generation .The two Etf's mentioned do not have enough assets or volume to be viable at this time,but bear watching.
    Which Millennial-Focused ETF Deserves Your Investment Dollars?
    investing in this segment’s needs and preferences should be intriguing.
    As this group has the prospect of comprising 75% of the workforce by 2025, it surely emerges as a long-term bet. As per research by Global X, millennials now earn about $2 trillion, with income projected to grow to $8 trillion by 2025.
    Probably this is why issuers got busy in launching millennials’ focused ETFs. First Global X and then Principal Exchange-Traded Funds brought about two such products, namely Global X Millennials Thematic ETF (NYSE:MILN) and Principal Millennials Index ETF (NASDAQ:GENY).
    http://etfdailynews.com/2016/08/28/which-millennial-focused-etf-deserves-your-investment-dollars/
  • REITs . . .
    REITS have had a rough couple weeks. Mine dropped 2% today on an otherwise up day for markets. It might serve well to read the comments from Ted's August 27 post: "A Good Time for REITS".
    http://www.mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/comment/79901/#Comment_79901
    Yes, that's all interesting.
    I've had a REIT ETF for around three years (for diversification) and it is only about 8% of my portfolio so this recent activity is more of a curiosity to me than anything else.
  • How A More Balanced S&P 500 Can Lead To Richer Returns
    I have two of Guggenheim's equal weight etfs, RHS (consumer staples) and RYU (utilities). I also have the market weight etfs of these same sectors (XLP and VPU). In the case of staples, equal weight beats market weight 1, 3 and 5 years, utilities about half the time. They do not have more than a 5 year history, however being fairly new products. I am considering adding RSP to my investments, to augment, not replace VOO. I still have more in managed funds than etfs and indexes, but the gap is starting to close a bit except for international, small cap and bond funds where I prefer managed funds.
  • How A More Balanced S&P 500 Can Lead To Richer Returns
    When I load equities thru spiffs (special investment positions) I usually use an equal weighted S&P 500 Index fund over the cap weighted one. I like the quarterly rebalance feature the fund that I use most often utilizes. In addition, the equal weight fund is about 52% large caps, 46% mid caps and 2% small caps. Years back when I could buy the S&P1500 Index etf ... I use it.
  • Question for the board for investing inherited money for daughter
    Whatever she does, remember that brokerages have promotions. Make sure she asks about that when she opens the account, otherwise she might lose the bonus.
    https://rewards.fidelity.com/offers/friendsandfamilyoffer1
    Be mindful of her risk tolerance. What sort of investments does she have in her Roth? I may be an anomaly, but I found my risk tolerance went up after a few years of investing. Before then I would never have invested in a rocket-fuel-type fund.
    So until knowing more, I'd lean toward Ted's type of investment. Pure equity, but not a growth equity fund. Though if I were going with a single index investment, I'd go for more breadth, either something like VTSAX/VTI (if limiting to US market), or VT for global exposure.
    If one wants to stick with SPDR (State Street has a better proxy voting record), there's THRK (domestic R3K) and ACIM (MSCI All Country World Index).
    If you want to spice that up, add an EM fund (since VT is heavily weighted toward developed countries) and/or a small/mid cap fund (VTSAX is mostly large cap).
  • Question for the board for investing inherited money for daughter
    Sorry for your loss.
    One thought for the inheritance:
    Open a taxable account at the same institution (Fidelity, Vanguard, T. Rowe Price) as her Roth IRA.
    Over the next few years she can make contributions from the taxable account into the Roth IRA. In ten years or so she will have an additional $50K in her Roth IRA and be well on her way to doing the same one day for her nieces and nephews (trump free...oops tax free).