I lost 2 funds - STHBX and STHYX (Wells Fargo Advantage) Many other posts have compared ZEOIX to RPHYX. Now, comparing SSTHX and RPHYX for the past three years, we have the typical $10000 at $10,733 for RHYPX, and $10,663 for SSTHX, pretty much a dead heat. In this year's difficult market though, it's 0.76% return for RPHYX, and -1.30% for SSTHX, about a 2% difference in favor of RPHYX. While I'm certainly less than thrilled at the deterioration in the RPHYX NAV, it would still seem to be a better place than SSHTX at least for now.
Looking at ZEOIX, it's doing quite well this year, at a 2.58% return, and with $10,966 for three years. Unfortunately, it's not available NTF at Schwab, as Press notes. Guess I'll have to stick with RPHYX for a while.
Lewis Braham: Mutual Fund Fees: How Low Is “Low”? I want to decide where I am going to expend my energy
Fund A
Assets: $100B
ER reported: 0.5%
Avg Annual Return: 10%
Fund B
Assets: $1B
ER reported: 1.5%
Avg Annual Return: 10%
Returns are always after expenses. I care about who makes how much money why now? I make 10% in each fund. If either fund is misrepresenting expenses and investors would have ended up with higher return, then all crusaders can go complain to justice department.
25 years back, when information was not forthcoming may be this makes some sense. In today's time with the internet, every fund investor knows all things remaining the same, go with the lower ER fund. If you are going with higher ER fund, do it for a reason - lower asset base, better fiduciary management, etc. etc. "Investors need to know how fund expenses are being paid and who they are being paid to". No, they don't. Why? Because they cannot do diddly squat about it.
I would like Jack Bogle to give interview to someone else besides M*. Or I would like him to ask Christine Benz WTF one ANALyst or another at M* marries American Funds every other week. All well wishers of fund investors, please stop telling investors what they should do and go tell/appeal to those who make money off those investors.
Warren Buffett’s Way To Invest For Retirement: 90/10 Allocation If the last thirty
years are any indicator of future trends in Healthcare, maybe a 90/10 portfolio of VGHCX / VFISX vs Warren's VFINX / VFISX: (click on each image for better clarity)


Lewis Braham: Mutual Fund Fees: How Low Is “Low”? @VintageFreak As the author of the article, I obviously disagree. But I wonder if you read it in its entirety. I think there are two good reasons why total dollars in fees matter. One is this question of economies of scale, which has huge legal ramifications. The perspective that a fund with $128 billion that is collecting $903 million in fees a year has "low" expenses because its expense ratio is 0.83% of assets seems misguided to me. It is relevant to these law suits filed by employees of 401k plans arguing fees are too high. Simply examining the expense ratio leads regulators and judges to say fees are fair when anyone looking at the massive asset growth and thus total dollars in fees the industry has experienced in the last twenty
years would realize that economies of scale are not adequately being realized. If a pension plan with $128 billion hired a money manager to run its portfolio directly and not via the mutual fund route, there is no way it would be paying 0.83% for that service. Yes, there are ancillary costs such as shareholder services and broker placements, but these still are not enough to counteract the basic fact that for fund companies opening a new fund is essentially like opening a toll booth. Once you've built the booth and hired the clerk to man it the profits just grow and grow no matter how many people drive through.
The second reason is actually more relevant to MFO readers. These giant funds suffer other costs not recognized by the expense ratio, namely market impact costs that makes it more expensive to trade illiquid securities. Asset growth also makes it more difficult to have a high active share ratio as fund portfolios become more index like as assets grow. The comparison in the story is highly relevant as the JOHCM International Select Fund is run by a small boutique shop that closed the fund to new investors at around the $3 billion mark. As such, it faces much less of the market impact cost and closet-indexing problems of a much larger $128 billion fund. It also happens that it is collecting much less in total dollars of fees as a result. Yet because everyone is looking at expense ratios instead of total dollars in fees it gets penalized for having a higher expense ratio by Morningstar and investors. That seems unfair to me. It also happens that JOHCM International Select is a fund David has reviewed for MFO. So I think the story is relevant here.
I don't necessarily disagree with you about load funds and the high front-end commissions, but that is another story entirely--not the one I wrote in this case.
Lewis Braham: Mutual Fund Fees: How Low Is “Low”? Sorry, but I don't understand.
I totally get one should look at how much the fund company is raking in. That's why one needs to observe if ER is going down when assets are going up or not. One also has to look at the management fee portion of the total ER since some fund strategies are costly to implement and one must weigh that before purchasing any actively managed fund.
What I don't get is the comment about whether it needs really $1B to run a $128B. Of course not. Since when has it been about that? The larger the fund asset base, the larger the management fee as a percentage. A fund manager is successful when he generates more revenue for his fund company. Are we going to pretend it is anything else? If the asset size of fund grew more because of appreciation and less because of asset accumulation, then didn't the investors think it is worth it. You pay more for an iPhone than other phones right?
VFINX ER is 0.15 (or whatever it is does not matter). What if the assets of VFINX were 10th of its current size. Are we going to ANALize how much it is going to cost to run this fund based on its asset size now? Someone of Bogle's standing IMHO should do more about railing against investors. Tell them to vote with their feet and SELL funds with $128B in assets who are raking in $1B in fees. Or is he suggesting capping fund expenses beyond a certain asset size of a fund? That would be a fantastic regulation. I
Finally, anyone who buys a load fund needs to have their head examined. If it is because they are working with an advisor, then as I have said many times we need to put that occupation out of business. I want Bogle to write articles about advisors who are selling loaded funds with 5.75% loss upfront. I want him to rail about M* doing analysis about how American funds (who can do no wrong) are cheap because even if most people pay a load, over time they cost less because their ER is lower. I listen to Bogle when he rants about indexing vs active management. Indexing is what I use largely in my tax deferred plans. If I was saying same thing for 50 years, I would think it is quite enough and at age 85 take a chill pill.
BTW, Alan Greenspam. Please go away as well. No one needs to hear your expertise on how to (mis)manage the fed.
I'm sorry, but this "news" is only slightly less annoying than "who killed marilyn monroe" shows which TV channels show whenever nothing else interesting is happening in the world. Does anyone have an original idea to help investors?
End of rant.
PS. For the record, I do NOT want Mr Lewis Branham to go away. I DO WANT Greenspam and BogleMyMind to go away or comment on some other topic. Write a cookbook or something.
Vanguard Windsor II replacement Don't know much about the tax angle, but VEIPX is one of the best V'rd LCap value funds in the last 5-10 years.
Good point. Even in what has been largely a "Growth" environment, this "Value" fund has done quite well. Might be a good candidate to DCA into.
Thanks for the heads up!