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  • are you folks following these guidelines - dont drop out?
    A couple of thoughts:
    1. Buy only what you would be willing to hold if the market closed for 10 years. Or even 5. That's really not a bad way to really filter down to what you consider your best ideas.
    2. Buy at a reasonable price. Maybe you don't always get something for cheap, but again with the Buffett quote: "It's far better to buy a wonderful company at a fair price than a fair company at a wonderful price." I mean, look at Coke - which I believe was trading at a significantly higher p/e in the late 90's - in 1998 it was $42.50, it's now around $43, with a fairly sizable dip in-between. Of course, people also bought YHOO and MSFT at absurd valuations in the 90's, but there's quite a few less extreme examples and I see a lot of consumer names that are trading at valuations that I consider out-of-whack or at the very least, quite rich.
    3. It's difficult for me to buy things that don't have a dividend, but I've made some exceptions recently (Gilead, for example, which I'd like to hope will offer a dividend over the next few years - same with Howard Hughes Corp.) Otherwise, I buy things that interest me (which helps when things are difficult - if I don't care about what the company does, it's difficult for me to have it as a long-term holding) and that - in many cases - have a strong moat, good long-term track record and who have a track record of increasing dividends.
  • How To Quadruple Your Mutual Fund Returns With One Decision
    "Let’s say you invested the same amount of money (earning the same 10% annually) in an exchange-traded stock fund for 30 years. You’d be paying 0.10 % annually to hold the fund."
    One serious error in this statement, which invalidates his whole logic....do you see it?
    I'll give the same example Managed funds Vs. anything you quote and I'll make you more money....
    This type of reporting is misleading to many and Dangerous to proper investment thinking.....grade F
    But headline got me to read HIS article.....probably their (advertising) intent
  • How To Quadruple Your Mutual Fund Returns With One Decision
    There are some people who just shouldn't be left anywhere near a calculator.
    He writes about a $100K investment in a fund whose underlying portfolio gains 10%/year, and carries a total ER of 1%. He uses the SEC calculator to determine that over 30 years, $147K goes to fees, and earnings are diminished by $307K due to those fees, for a total drain of $454K. From this, he concludes that the value of your investment at the end of those years would be ...
    $454K.
    Of course that's just a tad more than 1/4 of the $1.7M you'd get with a fund having an ER of 0.10%. But the SEC calculator shows that the former investment would be worth about $1.2M. His sensationalist headline (that you lose most of your money to fees) is dead wrong.
    That's just numbers, independent of any concept of mutual funds, which he clearly doesn't grasp. He rails about transfer agency fees. Even bogleheads acknowledge "All funds incur regular operating costs, which include ... transfer agency ... fees."
    http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Mutual_funds_and_fees
  • Chuck Jaffe Money Life Show 1/7/14: Guest Janet Brown, President Fund X Investment Group
    FUNDX - A dog of a fund that has underperformed the S&P and its category seven straight years.
  • Value Managers Root For More Market Turmoil: Cinnamond-Forester-Ahitov-Trauner
    For the third time in 15 years, Eric Cinnamond is stuck on the sidelines watching many of his fund manager peers profit from a late-stage bull market.
    How does the author know it is late-stage?
  • Morningstar's Portfolio Manager Price Updating Concern ...
    A post @ the M* Forum, a few hours ago - Another poster there calls this "PRICELESS"
    Re: How tiresome....portfolio again not updated4 hours, 25 minutes ago |
    --You guys will get a kick out of this. I just called to cancel my Premium membership (after years of frustration with myriad other reported problems which they willfully chose to ignore). The rep tells me "I'm sorry, but my system is very slow at the moment and I am having trouble looking up your account. I can take the information. Then when I am able to do it this afternoon, I will send you an email confirming the details."
    What a fitting end to this miserable relationship.
    Ralph
  • Jan 5, 2015 How did Funds perform on big down day
    @MFO Members: Successful mutual fund investing is a marathon not a sprint ! Hope we don't have another repeat of this today.
    Regards,
    Ted
    It's a mentality shaped by a market that has gone up constantly for a while now. Declines are met with, effectively, "It's not supposed to do that" and/or heightened concern. I don't have anything against these threads, but, would a 2-3% decline 7-10 years ago result in frequent discussions of "what's worked today?" Probably not.
    I am pretty concerned with oil that doesn't seem to stop going down and interest rates where they are, but the market down a few %? It's one of those "Wake me when it's 15-20%."
  • Morningstar's Portfolio Manager Price Updating Concern ...
    looks like though being a premium member for so many years, I have to keep a portfolio copy in yahoo, to get current portfolio value, since I am seeing Jan2 valuation only even now. (unfortunately portfolio maintenance is not outsourced by m* so they can blame some one)
    or are they aiming to get the dubious distinction of too big to fail ( saying take whatever we provide!!)
  • conference call with Bernie Horn of Polaris Capital, January 13, 7 - 8 p.m. Eastern
    Dear friends,
    You are cordially invited to join me on a conference call with Bernie Horn, founder of Polaris Capital Management and manager of Polaris Global Value (PGVFX). You’re receiving this note because you asked to be included on the Observer’s conference call notification list. The call will take place between 7:00 - 8:00 p.m., EST, this coming Tuesday, January 13th. To register, just follow this link.
    Mr. Horn and the Polaris team advise Polaris Global Value and sub-advise funds for PNC and Pear Tree. Mr. Horn has been managing global portfolios since 1980, launched Global Value L.P. in 1989, founded Polaris in 1995 and launched PGVFX in 1998. The fund remains small but distinguished. It has a great long-term record and superb tax efficiency, but suffered a terrible ’07 and bad ’08. That cost the fund nearly two-thirds of its assets, though the fund’s assets are a small fraction of the firm’s total AUM. Mr. Horn and his team made substantial and thoughtful revisions since then, and the fund has been in the top 10% of world stock funds over the past 3 and 5 years.
    We're likely to talk most about PGV but maybe a bit too about QUSOX, his really good international SCV fund.
    If you can make it, you're more than welcome. If you can but you have questions you'd like me to raise with him, just post them below. I've logged the queries from AJ, Vert and Mike and it's likely he'll review this thread before the call. As always, it's just a telephone conference call and I'll try to post highlights and an mp3 afterward.
    For what interest it holds,
    David
  • DODFX closing
    Wow.
    Took 6 years, but D&C is back to closing funds again.
    c
  • ARIVX: anyone still own it
    Understand MikeM.
    This is a tough one.
    On the one hand, folks bailed on Buffett in 1999. He stayed the same. The world changed.
    On the other, I remember when Charles Akre launched AKREX in 2009. He was such a downer. The fund did badly out of the gate. He was still sporting 2008 collapse.
    But, quickly realized he was wrong and turned bullish. It served him well...and, investors.
    So, question, is world out of whack...or, is Mr. Cinnamond?
    And, what is the appropriate time frame to judge? Is it 1 year? (Taking my trend hat off.) Or, 3? Or, 5? The Three Alarm eval periods were 1, 3, and 5 years.
    Honestly, I have more of an issue with the fund's expenses than the strategy, but that is true for just about every fund out there.
    Here are the Three Alarm stats through November:
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  • ARIVX: anyone still own it
    Actually OOBY, M* shows over the last 3 years that ARIVX has captured 29% of the upside while taking on 59% of the downside. For 1 year, it looks even worst, 11% upside capture while taking on 69% of downside. Not trying to bash the guy, but the numbers don't lie. Those are some of the worst capture ratio numbers I've ever seen. Hopefully he makes up for those numbers in the next bear.
  • $100k to Invest
    You are recommending a load fund with a non-low ER? Where do you get it on the cheap?
    Looks okay otherwise. Terrible dip in 08-09, took 3y to get back to zero.
    PRBLX, YACKX, FLPSX, and FCNTX all look preferable since 1983. Good comeback since the 09 depths, esp the last couple years.
  • $100k to Invest
    @alaska: SHRAX, over the last 15 years Richy Freeman have beaten the S&P 500 by 2.52%, and the Large-Cap Growth Fund Category by 3.47%. He has managed this fund since its inception in 1983.
    Regards,
    Ted
  • A Favorite Performance Chart
    Hi Guys,
    Thank you for the really nice exchange coupling charts like those generated by Callan and a reversion-to-the-mean investment strategy. A discussion of the merits and shortfalls of those charts and how they can be interpreted to improve investment outcomes was the main purpose of my original post.
    I have been familiar with both the Callan charts and the reversion concept for many years. I am a fan of both. About a decade ago I asked myself the same question that is currently being explored on this thread.
    Can you exploit the Callan rankings to better your investment returns?
    A decade ago I did some analyses on this specific question; my answer was NO. Investing in last year’s top ranking winners or last year’s bottom ranking losers did more poorly than the S&P 500 Index as a benchmark. Unfortunately, I can not find my analyses, so I am reporting results from memory alone. That’s not reliable enough.
    The good news is that professional financial organizations have completed similar analyses. These studies are just a little dated but they backstop my own work. One report is from Bearing the Bull that uses a J. P. Morgan chart similar to the Callan study. Here is the reference:
    http://bearingthebull.com/2012/02/01/the-callan-conundrum/
    This article demonstrates the benefits and the shortfalls of asset allocations. One shortfall is that a diversified portfolio has a low likelihood of reaching the best performance ladder heights. The benefits are that annual losses are never maximized and that portfolio volatility is significantly reduced.
    Given that diversification lowers return standard deviations, here is a Link to a short Fidelity report that provides some excellent practical examples:
    https://www.fidelity.com/learning-center/investment-products/mutual-funds/diversification
    By exploring enough options, it is almost always the case that some correlation can be identified that ties one variable to some desired output. Of course, the challenge is to locate a strategy that holds water over the long-term future. It seems like holes always develop in the water buckets and leakage compromises the “great” correlation.
    It appears that the Callan-like charts provide no immediate solutions other than the promise that portfolio diversification is a pretty good plan. That’s something. Enjoy the references.
    Best Wishes.
  • $100k to Invest
    Hi alaska.
    Couple more questions...
    What's your risk tolerance? On a scale 1 to 5. 1 being Very Conservative, hate seeing even slight temporary pull backs. To, 5 being Very Aggressive, which means you're ok with 50-60% drawdowns as long is there is no permanent loss of capital ... and any decline will recover over say 4-6 years.
    What's your investment time horizon? 1, 3, 5, 10, or 20 years?
    Of the two, the former is probably most important. So, be as sure as humanly possible in your self assessment.
    c
  • ARIVX: anyone still own it
    ...who am I to second guess Cinnamond...
    Hi NumbersGal. Well since you asked, you are the person paying above average fees for some really bad sector-picking choices by this manager. I think you have a right to second guess this guy. I also think Cinnamond has shown himself to be the quintessential value trapped manager. He went heavy into basic materials/mining stocks years too early. Either his poor judgment or his ego wouldn't allow him to adjust. That's why the bleak record.
  • REITS (VGSIX) as a portfolio diversifier
    VGSIX quietly had a stellar year (up 30%). It has annualized a 8.4% return over the last 10 years. It was out paced by US Small Cap and US Mid Cap sectors by just 1 % over the last decade. US Mid caps exhibited the lowest volatility of the three. Its the volatility that I wanted to address with this thread that ultimately might lead to help creating an inflation beating portfolio.
    Volatility has been one the REIT sector's Achilles heal. I am trying to pair other investments that provides a blended performance that helps lowers year to year volatility. Over the last decade TIPs would have been one pairing option. Going forward their will be more and more investor focus on their attempts to stay ahead of inflation. I believe the two sectors (REITs and TIPs) paired together will provide a better inflation beating performance than owning just TIPs alone.
    Here's how the last decade looked.
    Three portfolios:
    100% VGSIX (Blue Line)
    100% TIP (Yellow Line)
    A combination of the two, 50% VGSIX & 50% TIP (Orange Line)
    image
  • Rick Ferri: My Expected Investment Changes In 2015
    FYI: I make investment changes at a glacial speed. The last change was about five years ago when I combined micro-cap stocks with small-cap value stocks to reduce the number of funds in the portfolio. Before that, I eliminated a preferred stock allocation, which was fortunately done right before the financial crisis. Over the coming year, I believe the opportunity may present itself for another change.
    Currently, 70% of my stock allocation is in US equity and 100% of my bond allocation is in US bonds. Sometime in 2015, I may shift my portfolio to a more global stock and bond allocation
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.rickferri.com/blog/investments/my-expected-investment-changes-in-2015/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+RickFerri+(Rick+Ferri+Blog)
  • A Favorite Performance Chart
    Hi Guys,
    http://awealthofcommonsense.com/
    I too consider this chart one of my favorites. It presents extremely broad asset class returns over a 10-year period.
    The chart once again illustrates the random nature, the patternless character, the ramblings of the various major asset classes over the last decade. Good luck on consistently picking these winners ahead of time.
    This is a big reason why active mutual fund managers have such a challenging task to outdistance an appropriate benchmark. It adds another dimension to investment risk. Forecasters can’t forecast with any reliability. It’s that reason plus the additional handicap of higher expenses in several directions that dampen active mutual fund returns. There’s an easy lesson here.
    Please give the chart a little time. It’s worth the effort, and just might contribute to a more profitable 2015. I hope so. Good luck and good health to all.
    Best Regards.
    Great chart. Now that sets up a challenge for everyone. Rearrange the blocks for 2015. Commodities are down 45% last 4 years, but I am loathe to pick them above water. I like aggregate bonds over 5%.