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  • Does It Make Sense To Treat Your Portfolio Like An Endowment?
    Junkster recently mused in a post about striking a balance between reaping now and sowing for the future as we manage our individual portfolios during our "retirement" years. The article in this link suggests it may be appropriate to plan on living to 100 as we consider this question. It also suggests we manage our individual portfolios like endowments, seeking to balance annual withdrawals and portfolio growth to avoid eroding the principal.
    The idea of looking at our individual situations and then deciding on an amount to set aside for the future -- be it the nominal or inflation adjusted principal or some other amount -- makes sense to me. (It is the basic approach I use to manage my portfolio.) The decided upon amount can be set aside for use if a dramatic future increase in medical and related care expenses requires it. And, it can include additional funds to be left to our heirs and/or to do good things in the world after we are gone. The remainder of the ongoing total returns in our individual portfolios can be reaped now.
    The success of this approach assumes we will avoid doing too much reaping after one or two good years. So, "Reaping Now" needs to be averaged over some number of years. But, the idea that we each need to have a conversation with ourselves and make peace with much we want to be setting aside "indefinitely" for the future makes sense to me.
    http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/mutual-funds/articles/2015/03/12/the-100-year-old-portfolio-investments-for-a-long-life
  • How Many Mutual Funds Routinely Rout the Market? Zero
    Hank....EXAXCTLY...thats what makes these type articles Silly and meaningless (which the NYT is famous for) I could write an article on the next page of the paper on the same day that headlined
    "60% of (my) managed funds beat the stock market index the last 5 years"
    ...so draw your own conclusion....
    The conclusion is that the information is meaningless..
  • How Many Mutual Funds Routinely Rout the Market? Zero
    Hi Ted. I glanced at that in the NY Times whose headline stories I receive daily on Kindle.
    I've never had a lot of confidence in their financial reporting - though same goes for many other publications. What struck me is they seem to be basing these conclusions on the period immediately following the 08-09 market meltdown. I do recall that during the "roaring 90s" index investing became very popular and the S&P 500 was greatly run up. It than suffered and lagged for several years following that hot stretch. So, I'd expect a rebound following the 08-09 market wash-out. This probably helps account for the great run it's had in recent years.
    None of this is intended to dispute the advantages of holding index funds for the very long haul. I'd agree on that. But to draw conclusions on just a 6-year stretch strikes me as a lot of journalistic hoopla.
  • The Coffee Can Fund
    For a young person, forget it for 30/40 years and you are Rich in retirement
    Remember to buy high profit US companies paying good dividends and go to sleep in your regular job....your made...
  • Different tickers, but what's the difference? PRSAX, PRSNX
    @msf But you did enjoy and were grateful for the extra customer service and advice you received while you were paying the extra 12b-1 fee at Citibank, didn't you? :)
    @Crash
    1. do you have any clue what the difference between PRSNX and their new Global Unconstrained Bond fund will be? I was thinking of PRSNX as a global bond fund long before it was put into that category, and it has never seemed (to me) that it has had too many constraints on its operation. I'm not clear about just which constraints they will be "unleashing" with their new offering. I guess it's just wait and see?
    2. Now, don't go turning on the gas and putting your head in the oven about this, but I just went to TRP to purchase a few more shares of PREMX and PRSNX, and.... the NAV listed for both of them was lower than what I saw posted elsewhere Friday afternoon. Sure enough, I then went to my Fidelity watch list and the NAVs are listed as of 3/12. So, maybe the DBMS people broke early at Morningstar (last week) and at Fidelity (this week) for a FAC "mtg"; or.... there are some problems developing in Bond Land, whereby we just aren't going to get current NAVs in certain circumstances. [I would note last Friday there was some turbulence in MBSs, and this Friday there was some turbulence in EM bonds] Just speculating here.

    Looking at the objectives for the two funds at Price's website:
    The unconstrained is, well, unconstrained as to average maturity while PRSNX expects to keep a range of "4-15 years" average maturity;
    The unconstrained will likely contain less junk bonds, "up to 30%" as opposed to PRSNX having "up to 65%" junk;
    And it seems the unconstrained will usually include a bit more foreign, "at least 40%" as opposed to PRSNX with "up to 50%".
    In practice, I'm not sure that there will be a big difference between them.
  • How Many Mutual Funds Routinely Rout the Market? Zero
    FYI: The bull market in stocks turned six last Monday, and despite some rocky stretches — like last week, when the market fell — it has generally been a very pleasant time for money managers, who have often posted good numbers.
    Look more closely at those gaudy returns, however, and you may see something startling. The truth is that very few professional investors have actually managed to outperform the rising market consistently over those years.
    In fact, based on the updated findings and definitions of a particular study, it appears that no mutual fund managers have
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/15/your-money/how-many-mutual-funds-routinely-rout-the-market-zero.html?_r=0
  • Seeing which funds rank higher than yours "in a category"
    Hi @Maurice
    Yes, the wonderfully simple and easy to read Bloomberg fund ranking category page. That tool went bye-bye about 4-5 years ago. I used to link that page, and its listings results quite a bit at FundAlarm.
    I did query Bloomberg about that tool, noting that is the best available for ease of use.....the quick view. I did not have a reply to my question of why the tool was pulled.
    I have not found anything else to replace it; at least to the point of being so easy to use with very readable listings.
    Too bad for us.
    Regards,
    Catch
  • Different tickers, but what's the difference? PRSAX, PRSNX
    Hey, I resemble that remark.
    Many years ago, Citibank had a discount brokerage (Citicorp Investment Services), and provided a decent suite of bank services if you had a few $K in combined accounts, including their brokerage account.
    They had a very limited, mostly high ER set of NTF funds. But they did offer TRP Advisor class shares (the ones with 12b-1 fees) NTF. I did a mental calculation and figured that it was costing me just a few bucks a year (I kept just the min required for the bank services).
    Seemed worth it at the time. Since then, I've left Citibank and transferred the shares to TRP. Price did a tax-free exchange of the shares into Investor class shares (no 12b-1 fees).
  • POGRX and alternatives
    I have been looking for a replacement for MFCFX (Marsico Flexible Capital) recently. The departure of D. Roa, 7/2012, seems to have had a signifcant affect on the performance of this fund. In fact, according to M*, it DOES NOT have one stock holding from Mr. Roa's tenure; all stocks were bought in 2013 or 2014.
    I have researched and compared various replacements and POGRX is high on my list. But when I compare it to MFCFX and other LCG funds it's metrics and returns are not usually at the top.
    What is it that so impresses everyone about Primecap Odessey Growth? I'm not saying it is not a solid fund, it certainly is, but how good is it?
    I have to admit, I do like the sector concentration a lot!
    Bottom line, I think the near three years after D. Roa left MFCFX is enough time to determine if the new Mgmnt team is doing a good job. I don't think so; there are too many other All-cap/Large-cap Growth funds to choose from.
    I am looking for some suggestions, opinions and insights!!
    Thank you,
    Matt
  • EM Declines and Subsequent Allocation
    http://blogs.barrons.com/emergingmarketsdaily/2015/03/13/emerging-markets-markets-sink-2-5-for-week-unloved-but-resilient/?mod=djemb_dr_h
    This linked blog post from Barrons with analysis of performance and prospects of various EM economies from Deustche Bank has me wondering about my own allocation to emerging markets. For the last several years I've been reading about how this year is going to be the one for EMs, that dough is flowing into EMs, that valuations are favorable, and so forth. Fact of the matter is, my EM and FM funds (all the usual MFO suspects from Matthews, Grandeur Peak, Aberdeen, Morgan Stanley, and Lazard) haven't done squat since 2011, relative to my US holdings. I have reduced exposure in recent months, but haven't closed out any positions. Wondering how members are dealing with EMs. What are you taking for queasiness?
  • Commodities Funds Ideas
    FWIW: I bought HAP some years ago, an index of companies that deal in commodities. It basically went nowhere so I sold it 2-3 years later.
    I know a properly diversified portfolio should have some commodities, but aside from doing good during the worst of times, the idea seems rather pointless.
  • Machine vs. Human Decisions
    @MJG
    You noted: "Well, humans get tired and focus drifts. We are subject to household and health problems. We are influenced by current events and the medias selective hype on these events. We are also guilty of overconfidence in our own skills. We trade too often. Several studies have shown that equity accounts that are more or less dormant for years outdistance others that are frequently traded.
    >>> Yes.
    Investors also abandon our well crafted rules and policies when the going gets tough. That’s true of both individual investors and professional money managers. Our market timing decisions are often a catastrophe. We are inconsistent in choosing and navigating our selected stars.
    >>> Yes.
    John Hussman is a prime recent example of a mostly successful wizard who failed to continue his planned march without introducing a disastrous route change. He added historical data sets to make his model forcibly agree with his predetermined decision; the facts be damned in this instance. That’s a classic, first-order sin when doing forecasting work.
    >>> Yes.
    What to do? John Bogle has it right: just stay the course. Don’t junk your rules and process just because an outcome has been a disappointment. Nobody is ever 100% correct with the possible exception of MFO’s Ted (am I having fun at Ted’s expense?).
    >>> Yes.
    When change is justified as the investment world constantly evolves, change slowly and incrementally. That’s applying Kahneman’s System Two deliberate slow thinking advantage. When investing, our System One fast response heritage gets us into deep water far too often.
    >>> Yes.
    It requires near perfect timing to be either all In or all Out of the marketplace for periods, and still recover long term market returns. Not many of us are successful at this process. We vacillate. This is not the coward’s approach, but it is the prudent approach."
    >>> Yes.
    If a person chooses to be their own investment adviser (an investor); they must know who they are, to the fullest extent; and to maintain the conviction that they must and will maintain a standard of introspection to continue to be fully flexible and adaptable to learning and required changes. Understanding that as the world and their world continues to change, that they too are likely changing, and thus the need for ongoing self assessment.
    Two of the most honest investors (although I don't know about their successful profits) I have known for 40 years both wanted to save for retirement, did save and admitted that they had no desire to learn about investing. But, they did hire an advisor. Others I have known for many years had the same desire to save for retirement, but were not willing to learn and also not willing to hire someone to help with direction. I consider these folks as not really being honest with themselves about investing and probably other aspects of their lives.
    As to other comments, I don't know what "trade to often means". Relative to what? Yes, we all are bombed with outside forces that may affect our health physically and mentally which can add to problems with mental focus and drift problems.
    Perfect timing is not required to have a decent percentage return on a portfolio. Keeping the other football team from scoring more points is all that is needed, if one's team can only score field goals. A lot of investing profits may be obtained without scoring touchdowns with every investment play. One is not likely to buy at a bottom and sell at a top; but there is much to gather to the favorable side of monies in between these two areas.
    As to what you noted above: If an investor can be aware of and understand some of the traits listed; they must continue to monitor who they are or are becoming, relative to investing skills and knowledge.
    Lastly, the percentage of very profitable investors; based upon their measure of risk and reward is likely also a small percentage of the available population.
    Regards,
    Catch
  • No surprise---again. M* fails to update
    There was a time when M* put the information out on a timely basis. That is how they built their reputation as the go to service for investment research. Reputation can be fleeting however.
    US car companies built their reputation on well built cars that lasted. But in the 70's, they blew that reputation by producing crap and unfinished products. Many cars were missing key items as they sat on the showroom floor.
    It's called complacency. While I admire Lizzie's coming on at MFO to explain the issue, it is the same PR that has been put out over the past few years on this same subject. M*Darrell has been posting the same thing over on their forums.
    I can afford the premium service too but I do expect service in exchange for my money. M* is going on the assumption that they are the only game in town so you can either put up with their errant service or stay away. I prefer the latter.
  • GMO's glummest forecast
    This plot does not show the standard deviation. For example, if EM will grow 2.9% per year during 7 years, one will get approximately 20%, in average. But what if the average gain of 20% means (approximately) that one may either lose 50% or gain 90% ? (These estimates are a gross simplification of what may happen.) For many of us this would be a very dangerous game to play. Previously they were giving the standard deviation in their predictions, but they no longer do it now.
  • Machine vs. Human Decisions
    Hi Guys,
    In a 1997 6-game chess challenge, IBM’s Deep Blue computer program beat Grand Master Garry Kasparov in a tipping point match between man and machine. The machine won. Was this the harbinger of a machine takeover, especially of the decision making process? Maybe, maybe not.
    After all, man might just use these programs to supplement his decision making process. Kasparov, armed with access to the Deep Blue program, should logically whip Kasparov without that tool. I suppose that would be true if Kasparov slavishly accepted Deep Blue’s analysis. However, being human, Kasparov would likely succumb to compromising behavioral biases and reject the computer’s advice under some circumstances.
    Today, mathematical algorithms are outperforming human decisions in several disciplines. That’s a little surprising given that these same algorithms are formulated by curve fitting decision factors used by the same humans that they subsequently defeat. Decision consistency is not a strong human attribute.
    Phil Tetlock, of Hedgehogs and Foxes fame, has been conducting a 5-year Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity (IARPA) forecasting study for over two years now. In a second stage, he formed 5 teams of 12 men each from his best expert forecasters from a first stage test series. A fundamental commitment here is a belief in the wisdom of informed crowds.
    His research unit also developed algorithms using factors that his experts identified as influencing their decision making and forecasts. At present, these algorithms are slightly outperforming the expert teams. The study continues. Here is a Link to a Tetlock 2012 video interview on his IARPA work titled “How to Win at Forecasting”:
    http://edge.org/videos/year/2012
    The text from this Edge interview is also available.
    In Daniel Kahneman’s “Thinking Fast and Slow” book, he references a huge body of studies that continue to demonstrate that algorithms outdistance expert human judgments in a diverse group of disciplines like medicine and investing.
    In medicine, machine diagnosis, on average, are more accurate than on-site doctors. In investing, hedge fund manager Ray Dalio admits that when he and a computer analysis that he trusts make a disparate forecast in an investment decision, the computer program is right two-thirds of the time. Why is the machine superior?
    Well, humans get tired and focus drifts. We are subject to household and health problems. We are influenced by current events and the medias selective hype on these events. We are also guilty of overconfidence in our own skills. We trade too often. Several studies have shown that equity accounts that are more or less dormant for years outdistance others that are frequently traded.
    Investors also abandon our well crafted rules and policies when the going gets tough. That’s true of both individual investors and professional money managers. Our market timing decisions are often a catastrophe. We are inconsistent in choosing and navigating our selected stars.
    John Hussman is a prime recent example of a mostly successful wizard who failed to continue his planned march without introducing a disastrous route change. He added historical data sets to make his model forcibly agree with his predetermined decision; the facts be damned in this instance. That’s a classic, first-order sin when doing forecasting work.
    What to do? John Bogle has it right: just stay the course. Don’t junk your rules and process just because an outcome has been a disappointment. Nobody is ever 100% correct with the possible exception of MFO’s Ted (am I having fun at Ted’s expense?).
    When change is justified as the investment world constantly evolves, change slowly and incrementally. That’s applying Kahneman’s System Two deliberate slow thinking advantage. When investing, our System One fast response heritage gets us into deep water far too often.
    It requires near perfect timing to be either all In or all Out of the marketplace for periods, and still recover long term market returns. Not many of us are successful at this process. We vacillate. This is not the coward’s approach, but it is the prudent approach.
    Your comments are solicited. Thank you.
    Best Wishes for your continuing investment success.
  • No surprise---again. M* fails to update
    I hold my collected stuff in a self-made portfolio at M* via their "Portfolio Manager." I certainly do not need the price quotes by 5:00 p.m. But by 8:00 p.m., they ought to be there. I certainly do check other websites, which somehow manage to update much quicker than Morningstar, which HAS BEEN The Gold Standard for how many years, now? But the thing is, it's very easy to find day-end updates for each individual fund elsewhere, but to see the Big Picture, I need to see my total over at Morningstar in its Portf. Mangr. I would not be DOING anything at that point in the day, surely, just after the Markets close. ....Also, I'm a brand new "premium" member by virtue of my holdings with TRP. It's a perk offered at X number of dollars in your account(s) under management with them. Premium users, especially those who actually PAY for the prem. Morningstar service, are certainly NOT getting their money's worth, waiting until the wee hours to check to see IF M* has finally updated, and correctly. (Note: I do seem to see that Double Line is slow to report. They are in L.A., but not their Transfer Agents, US Bank: Milwaukee, yes? Anyhow, it's always the last of mine to update, and I wonder what THAT'S about? SOME things MIGHT not be Morningstar's fault.)
  • GMO's glummest forecast
    GMO just released their February 2015 projection of asset class returns over the next 5-7 years. It may be the glummest, if not the grimmest, I've seen. At this point, they project negative real returns for nine of the 12 asset groups they track.
    (3.5%) Int'l bonds (currency hedged)
    (3.4%) US small cap
    (2.4%) US large cap
    (1.0%) US bonds
    (0.5%) TIPs
    (0.3%) Cash
    (0.2%) Int'l small cap
    (0.1%) US high quality
    0.0% Int'l large cap
    2.6% EM bonds
    2.9% EM equity
    5.4% Managed timber
    Three notes: (1) short-term events can dramatically change these medium-range projections, a 25% correction in April or a 20% upswing through June would each make big differences in these numbers, (2) they assume 2.2% long-term inflation so 2.2% nominal is 0.0% real. (2) their method uses a fairly simple regression to the mean for two factors: profits and prices. That is, they assume that aggregate corporate profitability in the future will be about equal to aggregate corporate profitability in the past and that investors in the future are willing to pay about as much for $1 of profits (earnings) as investors in the past did.
    If you assume that things are different this time (because of the internet, the Chinese, emerging markets consumers, fracking or benign uses of financial engineering) and that we're reached a "permanently high plateau" in corporate profitability and investor comfort, then their projections would obviously be reduced to readings from a Ouija board.
    It does, I think, feed the ongoing discussions here about the future of 60/40 portfolios as safe havens and how to think about positioning your portfolio.
    For what interest it holds,
    David
  • Gundlach/Total Return Bond Fund (DBLTX/DLTNX).Webcast today
    I dunno if it's necessarily a good thing that the DL stable has been adding not just one or two new funds. MY DLFNX is a basic building block in my portfolio. I guess uncle Jeffrey is smart enough to see that there's a big pile of money wanting to get in. People are hearing good things about the fund-family. I have the impression that he is extremely and "deeply" smart. He can be concrete with analysis and be correct. But there's more going on in Jeffrey Gundlach's brain. I remember watching a Bloomberg interview that is at least a couple of years old by now, in which he said: "I wish I could teach it." And yet, that does not in the least scare me away. People have told me that I can put my finger on something right quick, but then I can't explain how I found it!
    "SPOCK'S BRAIN."
  • The Closing Bell: U.S. Stocks Decline as Consumer, Technology Companies Retreat
    BAC has to resubmit cap plan. Just great.
    Chris Whalen on CNBC: "My gosh, they have been struggling for years, we still haven't seen a change in management. It's really quite incredible to me that the board of Bank of America tolerates this kind of performance from senior management. I really think you need to see a change there." Bill Smead comes up with a disagreement, although it's not much of a case (I think he rambled something about Warren Buffett liking it.)
    Whalen again: "We've turned this into a circus where we control dividends and equity market expectations instead of benchmarking safety and soundness, which is what we're supposed to be doing here."
    You still have banks in this market that trade significantly under book value. I'll contend that banks in this country have only gotten less transparent and seem to have not learned much from 2008. However, maybe views on the sector change if rates go higher.
    Morgan Stanley, Discover and BNY Mellon announcing multi-billion repurchases. Wells Fargo raising dividend. American Express with a dividend boost and large buyback.
    Note: despite being known as credit card companies, Discover, Capital One and Amex are effectively considered banks and have to submit capital plans to the Fed. Visa and Mastercard are networks only and therefore do not.
    Edited to add: BAC announcing $4B buyback, but dividend maintained at a nickel. Citi ups divi to a nickel from a penny, plus $7B buyback.
    Edited to add: JPM with a $6.4B buyback and div raise to 44c. JPM down a bit as buyback and div raises are under expectations.
  • Large-Cap Stock Mutual Funds: Why Bother?
    FYI: What will it take for large-cap stock mutual funds to overcome the drag of the 2000-02 bear market and their lagging ways in the 2002-07 recovery?
    Because they fared so much worse than small- and midcap funds in those periods, large-caps have lagged far behind in the past 15 years.
    How far behind? A $10,000 investment in the average large-cap fund on Dec. 31, 1999, would have grown to just $16,882 as of March 6 this year, according to Morningstar Inc. data. The same investment would have swollen to $37,912 in the average small-cap fund, $35,431 in the average midcap fund and $18,834 in the S&P 500.
    Regards,
    Ted
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