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  • Buy -- Sell -- Ponder -- January 2018
    @MikeM re: ROSOX/RNWOX split - the two seem to operate in different arena's near as I can discern. ROSOX the Overseas fund is a better fit straight on to the holdings in TIBIX being more centered on large cap foreign holdings in established markets including Japan. I also like the current low asset base. RNWOX the New World fund excludes Japan and seems more focused on less established markets although I don't really consider China and Russia as emerging economies anymore. Lastly I can't decide which of these two areas have better prospects going forward.
    FWIW, I now hold only 7 mutual funds and none constitute more than 5% of my entire portfolio. I also hold less than 5% outside the US.
  • DSENX December dividends question
    Even if the dividend were payable in January, so long as it was payable to shareholders of record in Oct, Nov, or Dec, it would be taxable in 2017. See Pub 550.
    https://taxmap.irs.gov/taxmap/pubs/p550-006.htm#en_us_publink100010073
  • Does a Reversion To The Mean Follow Big Up Years?
    Let me suggest one other way of thinking about this ...
    Suppose the market always returns -10%, 0%, 10%, 20%, or 30%, each 1/5 of the time. So on average, the market returns 10%.
    If the market is truly random like the toss of a die, then each year the market is just as likely to return -10% as 10% or 30%, regardless of this year's performance. If this year returned 30%, then there's a 3/5 chance (0%, 10%, 20%) that next year's returns will be closer to the mean (10%).. That's regression toward the mean from an extremely good (or bad) year.
    Still, no reason to sell just because you had a good year.
    It's like saying that a hot hand will cool off. Of course it will, because it's got no place to go but down. But you don't know when that will happen, and when it does, it's just as likely to be a very good (but not great) year as it is likely to be a bad one.
    That's the simple math of random selection. In reality, the market has causes and effects, even if in the aggregate the numbers come out looking random. One may be thinking of those other factors when investing. Business cycles tend to have cycles (though of seemingly random duration and magnitude). Other investors may be acting irrationally (e.g bubbles, gambler's fallacy, etc.).
    Investors may also be acting rationally in choosing suboptimal strategies. Taking money off the table if you are satisfied with your winnings is not optimal (from a purely monetary perspective), because over time market returns are positive. But you may be happier with what you have and with avoiding ulcers than with making more money in the long term.
    This brings us full circle to the hot hand. It's more likely for one to be content with one's winnings after a big win. So the inclination to reduce exposure after a good year is understandable and reasonable. Just not on the basis of law of averages, mean regression, etc.
  • DSENX December dividends question
    On 12/29 DSENX paid December dividends that will be posted on investors' accounts in 3-5 business days. December brokerage statement does not show these dividends. Do these dividends belong to 2017 or 2018 for accounting purposes and will 2017 year-end summary include them?
  • In 2017, Anywhere Investors Threw Money It Multiplied
    I just checked BEARX for comparison. Somewhat worse than HSGFX - down about 15% yearly for 5 years. There’s a lesson here. Damn tough trying to call the markets.
    Best lesson for me was buying 1 K’s worth of gold coins in the late 70s during all the hype. And than adding to that as the metal slowly declined from $800 to $400-$500 over the next decade. Just when you thought it couldn’t possibly go any lower it would fall again. Cost me a bit, but one of the best investing lessons I ever had.
    I don’t see that experience as limited to gold. Any market can blindside & confound you. They can absolutely defy every ounce of logic you possess.
  • Does a Reversion To The Mean Follow Big Up Years?
    k
    >> varies by how hot the hand is.
    Right. So the wolfram 'extreme event is likely to be followed by less-extreme one' is both accurate and not very specifically useful. While 'unitlessness' makes for learning problems (me).
    You read 538, I bet.
    >> varies by how hot the hand is.
    Is this a way of advising (sometimes) to bail from extreme runups? I luckily did this, sort of, w/ CGMFX. Should have seen it coming w FLVCX back when? I suppose so.
    But I bet this is not like the novice saying 'must sell, this can't continue.'
  • Does a Reversion To The Mean Follow Big Up Years?
    Yes, but what does it mean that the magnitude of perturbing noise is non-constant?
    Looking at section 3 of the paper (where the constant magnitude σ is replaced by a diffusion function of the current value D(X(t)), it seems that the magnitude of the "randomness" of next year's return depends on this year's return, i.e. the magnitude of the noise depends on X(t) where t is the current year.
    Still not sure what that means or why it would not be a constant σ, i.e. why would the size of the random portion of next year's return depend on the current return? At least it seems to preserve a sense of randomness.
    FWIW, here's the full paper:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254496792_The_misconception_of_mean-reversion
    @hank - I think you're referring to the Law of Large Numbers. One expects future returns to come out average. It doesn't matter if recent returns were above average. That won't make future returns come out below average. They're independent, so the future returns are expected to come out average.
    When you add decades of average returns to recent above average returns, the result is still above average. But it gets very close to average because the future decades of average returns numerically swamp a few years of recent outperformance.
    http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/law-of-large-numbers
    Edit: From your Wiki cite, a short paragraph stating what I've been trying to explain about mean regression (next random result is closer to mean, nothing more), and law of large numbers (lots of average results swamp a few good returns):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean#Other_statistical_phenomena
  • Does a Reversion To The Mean Follow Big Up Years?
    MJG's graph (from here, among other places) supports the thesis that mean reversion (in the literal mathematical sense) does hold in the investing world.
    The first sentence is almost right: "A reversion to the mean has to happen after a particularly outlander." Mean reversion says simply that for a sequence of random numbers, the further away from the mean the current value is the more likely the next value is to be closer to the mean. More likely, but it does not "have to happen."
    This is one of those self evident statements when you think about it. Suppose we've got something with a normal probability distribution (bell curve) centered at zero (mean). The probability of the next value being above zero is 50%, and below zero is 50%.
    The probability of the next value being below 1 is higher than 50% (since 50% will fall below zero, let alone 1). The probability of the next value being below 10 is even higher; the probability of the next value being below 20 is higher still. The further away from the mean, the higher the probability that the next value will be closer. Duh!
    (Technically, I'm illustrating something slightly different from mean reversion, but it's close enough to convey the concept.)
    In order for this "rule" to be valid, we have to be observing something random. That's what gives us the bell curve. MJG's graph purports to show that next year's returns are indeed random (zero correlation with the previous five years' performance). So rather than showing lack of mean reversion, the graph suggests the opposite - that the yearly returns are random - a necessary condition for mean reversion.
    The reason why I said "purport" is that the graph is not showing the correlation between the current year's return and the next year's. (Rather it shows the lack of correlation between the past five years' cumulative performance and the next year's.) The original article looks at next year's performance in comparison with the current year's performance (not prior five year's total).
    Looking at performance following 20%+ years, the data evinces mean reversion. The subsequent years averaged a return that was about the same as the market long term average of 11.4% between 1928 and 2015. That suggests that next year performance of these years was random. Further, in these years immediately following 20% gains, the market went up roughly the same percentage of the time (69%) as the market did over all years (72%). So it looks like the randomness requirement for mean reversion is not violated.
    More important, for most of these outlier years (20%+ returns), the next year's returns were closer to the mean. The exceptions were:
    1936 (1937 returned less, but further away from the mean of 12%),
    1942 (higher in 1943),
    1961 (1962 returned less, but further away from the mean),
    1976 (1977 less but further from mean),
    1982 (1983 slightly higher),
    1996 (1997 higher),
    1999 (2000 less but further from mean),
    That means that 25 of 32 years following 20%+ returns were closer to the mean than the years they followed. That is, there was mean reversion. It happens most of the time, but not always. And 20% isn't even that much of an outlier - less than one standard deviation (19.7%) from the mean (11.4%).
  • Why Bonds Had A Great Year For Doing Nothing
    @MFO Members: The article was about treasury bonds ! The average Intermediate Government Bond Fund returned 1.53% in 2017
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-30/peculiar-year-for-markets-defied-almost-everyone-s-expectations
  • Why Bonds Had A Great Year For Doing Nothing
    FYI: For bond markets, 2017 was a year of going nowhere, slowly—at least for the benchmark 10-year government bonds that are closely watched for signals on the economic outlook. With the risk of deflation defeated but higher inflation yet to arrive, bonds are still stuck in no man’s land as 2018 dawns.
    The calm in 2017 was remarkable. The 10-year U.S. Treasury yield moved in a 0.57-percentage-point range between 2.06% and 2.63%, but ended the year close to where it started, trading Friday at 2.43%. That is the narrowest annual range of the past decade, according to FactSet data. And it is somewhat deceptive: The 10-year yield was in fact trapped between 2.2% and 2.49% on 82% of the trading days in 2017. U.K. and German bonds recorded similar performances; in Japan, there was even less excitement as the Bank of Japan held the 10-year yield steady close to zero.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.cetusnews.com/business/Why-Bonds-Had-a-Great-Year-for-Doing-Nothing-.Skq7eeVXz.html
  • IBD: How Did Mutual Funds Perform In 2017?: (QSTFX)
    FYI: In a year when the U.S. stock market delivered big returns, how did mutual funds perform for investors?
    The answer: They performed well — but many weren't quite up to the level of the broad stock market averages.
    The S&P 500 index of established stocks rose 19% in 2017. The often-more-nimble Nasdaq climbed 28%, while the Dow Jones industrial average of blue chip stocks rose 25%.
    In comparison, U.S. diversified stock mutual funds averaged a gain of 18.91% in 2017 through Dec. 28. Foreign stock funds did better, leaping 28.39%.
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/mutual-funds/mutual-fund-performance-2017/
    Quantified Funds Website:
    http://www.quantifiedfunds.com/stf-fund
    M* Snapshot QSTFX:
    http://www.morningstar.com/funds/XNAS/QSTFX/quote.html
  • Buy, Sell and Ponder December 2017
    Old Skeet's month and year ending barometer report.
    Old Skeet's market barometer follows the S&P 500 Index and it's major sectors using etf's as proxies and pulls data from certain feeds that produce readings that are compiled and scored into a barometer reading.
    At the beginning of the month the barometer opened with a reading of 140 (overvalued) and closed the month with a reading of 138 (overbought). At the beginning of 2017 the barometer had a reading of 147 (fair value). The high reading on the barometer took place during the last two weeks of August and first two weeks of September with readings around the 152/153 range (undervalue). The low reading on the barometer took place during the third week of October with a reading of 132 (overbought). Their were no oversold readings recorded during the year for the Index. Generally, a higher barometer reading indicates more investment value in the Index over a lower reading. In addition, the barometer drives an equity weighting matrix that I use to assist me in setting my equity allocation within certain ranges. Currently, I am overweight equities at this time by about 5% due to a seasonal investment strategy over what the matrix is calling for.
    The earnings feed will be advanced with the beginning of the next report. Currently, I am finding only one sector that scores undervalued at this time and that is utilities (XLU). All the other sectors are scored at fair value and above.
    My 2018 S&P 500 Compass is equally weighted and is comprised of the following etf's. They are XLB, XLE, XLF, XLI, XLK, XLP, XLRE, XLU, XLV, XLY & EQL (reconfigured annually).
    My 2018 Global Balanced Compass is weighted stock side at 60% with holdings being AXJL (5%), EEM (5%), EWJ (5%), GSP (5%), IEV (10%) & VTI (30%) and weighted bond side at 40% with holdings being AGG (20%), CWB (5%) & SHV (15%) (reconfigured annually). In addition, it holds VT as it's bogey and representative of global stocks as a whole.
    In the next post I'll write about my use of my lead dog investment strategy. Should there not be a Buy Sell Ponder thread opened to start the new year then I'll continue postings with the return of the Markets & More thread on Friday evening January 5th.
    Currently, Old_Skeet remains in a cash build mode within my mutual fund portfolio; but, has done some buying (with excess cash) around the edges in the month of December adding to my double tax free muni bond fund (income sleeve), added to positions in my small mid cap sleeve (to build it out) and opened a "floor" position in a commodity strategy fund (spiff sleeve). In addition, since I take most of my mutual fund distributions in cash (and with their above average payout this year) I am overweight cash at this time by a couple of percent. Some of this excess cash will be used to meet my 2018 RMD requirement within mine and my wife's self directed IRA accounts. After that, I may do some more buying around the edges and looking to add a position in KCM Macro Trends fund.
    Wishing all the very best in the coming year ... and, most of all "Good Investing."
    Thanks for stopping by and reading.
    Old_Skeet
    Please forgive my typos along with some misspelling made this year as I suffer form dyslexia which has become more pronounced in my senior years. This is one of the reasons I passed the Buy, Sell & Ponder thread on to another; but, I have still made post to the thread in hopes of helping to keep it going. It has, thus far, remained a highly viewed thread although the number of comments, by others, seem to be in decline.
  • Baird LargeCap Fund to liquidate
    Update: fund has been liquidated 12/28/17
    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1282693/000089418917006855/baird-lrgcap_497e.htm
    497 1 baird-lrgcap_497e.htm SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIALS
    Rule 497(e)
    1940 Act File No. 811-09997
    1933 Act Registration No. 333-40128
    BAIRD FUNDS, INC.
    Supplement to Prospectus dated May 1, 2017
    (As Previously Supplemented September 29, 2017 and November 16, 2017)
    and Statement of Additional Information dated May 1, 2017
    (As Previously Supplemented September 13, 2017)
    Baird LargeCap Fund
    (Investor Class: BHGSX)
    (Institutional Class: BHGIX)
    The Baird LargeCap Fund (the “Fund”), a series of Baird Funds Inc. (the “Company”), has been liquidated effective December 28, 2017. Accordingly, all references to the Fund in the Company’s Prospectus and Statement of Additional Information are hereby eliminated.
    This Supplement should be retained with your Prospectus and Statement of Additional Information for future reference.
    The date of this Prospectus and Statement of Additional Information Supplement is December 29, 2017.
  • Register for Webinar Premium Site Update (Encore) - Friday, 5 January 2018
    Thank you all for participating in our two sessions today.
    Here is link to discussion charts: Webinar Charts.
    As a courtesy, I have scheduled one more session for tomorrow. (My computer had a connection issue near end of our afternoon session.)
    If interested, please register here:
    https://zoom.us/meeting/register/466342e349c157928c34be5db4a05ad8">
    Here is Webinar Recording.
    c
    ....
    We've enjoyed a wonderfully nice response to David's year-end contribution challenge and thought to hold another webinar highlighting recent updates to Premium site.
    Currently, have scheduled two sessions, one hour nominally, on Thursday 4 January 2018 at 11am and 5pm eastern.
    Like last time, we will employ easy-to-use Zoom.
    Please register here for morning session:
    https://zoom.us/meeting/register/a7cdfa6bdb1561d8dc2040ba88984b7b
    Or, here for afternoon session:
    https://zoom.us/meeting/register/306b3afbd7927709c5b9141539e44ee6
    Thank you!
  • Biggest S&P 500 Winners And Losers Of 2017: Tech, Health Care And Home Builders Lead
    FYI: Tech companies and home builders figured prominently in the best performing stocks of 2017 on the S&P 500 index, while energy companies and a few retail and consumer stocks figured among the worst performers.
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/biggest-sp-500-winners-and-losers-of-2017-tech-health-care-and-home-builders-lead-2017-12-29/print
  • Does a Reversion To The Mean Follow Big Up Years?
    Hi Guys,
    I suppose a very generic answer to this guesstion has to be a qualified "yes". A reversion to the mean has to happen after a particularly outlander (extremely out of the ordinary average result) outcome. But the real world answer is a definite and firm "No".
    The number of proposed methods to forecast market returns are so numerous as to challenge counting. They all work sometimes, but they also fail for other significant timeframes. If it were otherwise we would all be wealthy. Here is a Link that demonstrates the pure randomness of near time future returns following recent recorded returns:
    http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/55bf73092acae716008bc67a-1200/past-performance-is-no-predictor-of-future-returns.jpg
    If you see a correlation in these data "you're a better man than I am, Gunga Din". A correlation simply does not exist. No surprise here, no Happy New Year insight. Regardless,
    Happy New Year to all MFO participants.
  • Does a Reversion To The Mean Follow Big Up Years?
    FYI: With just a few hours left in the trading day, the S&P 500 is on track to deliver a hefty gain of over 20% to investors for 2017 and the ninth straight year of gains on a total return basis. In the S&P 500’s history, there has only been one other period where the S&P 500 was in the black for nine straight years, and that was from 1991 to 1999. A big difference between that streak and now, though, is the magnitude of the gains. During the 1990s streak, the S&P 500’s total return was 450% compared to a relatively meager gain of 261% in the current period. If the S&P 500 does make further gains next year, it will be the first ten-year winning streak for the index ever. With such a big gain this year, though, can investors really expect to see gains in the year ahead?
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://www.bespokepremium.com/think-big-blog/does-a-reversion-to-the-mean-follow-big-years/
  • Ric Edelman: The Most Important Chart On Investing You’ll Ever See
    @DS,
    k, point taken, I guess.
    I did not read Rice Delman so episodically and implicatively and glossily as you, but maybe that's because for years I have been hearing him whinge on about the long term.
    >> From 2000-2010, the market's net return was zero
    We have to be careful about, hmm, what's a good word for larger-scale cherrypicking?
    For some reason the decade you cite was a decisive argument for active management. SP500 sucked majorly, yes, but when you look at some big favorites sometimes cited here at MFO --- FCNTX, FLPSX, TWEIX, FPACX, PRWCX, VWELX, DODGX, and WEMMX, say --- the total from a $10k investment ranges from just under $14k to more than twice that (the two Fido funds, coincidentally). Those results only improve if you include 2010 rather than ending 1 Jan 2010.
    Naturally you had to have held them for the long term. (Many bailed out of FCNTX sometime in 01 or 02, and even more did likewise with all of them save First Pacific in 08-09. )
    So sleep through volatility if you have faith. Easy to prescribe. And right, no glossing, no ill prep.