DSEUX / DLEUX Thanks. Kinda weak articles and arguments, seemed to me, except the middle Israelsen one that starts in 01, bad case for US LC.
But sure for the 7Twelve. He is like Merriman and his Lazys.
Not sure how much deeper most need to go than this, though (Waggoner updated, from 2015):
... do international funds help your portfolio? In terms of return, it's hard to argue that they have, at least within most investors' experience. The past 25 years, large-cap U.S. funds have gained an average 691%, vs. 338% for international funds. U.S. funds have beaten international funds the past five, 10, 15, 20 and 25 years.
You could argue that European stocks are cheap, relative to U.S. stocks, which is quite true. But then again, they nearly always are, because they don't grow as rapidly. You could also argue that there are more foreign companies than there are U.S. companies, and that investing in them gives you broader market exposure. That's also true. Then again, companies in the S&P 500 get 46.2% of their earnings from overseas, and that's enough international exposure for anyone.
Why have U.S. investors rushed to international funds? In part because much of U.S. mutual fund purchases are controlled by financial advisers, and conventional wisdom is that a stock portfolio should have about 20% of its assets in international stocks. As of the end of November, about 25% of all garden-variety mutual funds were in international stocks, up from about 8.6% in 2000. Advisers have been doing their jobs.
Israelsen is one of those advisers, and his 01-15 data do look compelling. But who do you know (and who here?) who would want the same small amount in US LC as in REIT, cash, commodities, or NR?
Much less stick with it.
Not I.
And his is really an arg for very broad diversification, not for foreign, which is 17% of total (and note that that total = 93% of egg) and half of that foreign is EM.
(Trying to think what EM, NR, and commod vehicles there were in 2001.)
recession in horizon @MJG - You said,
"In that historical timeframe, those 10 Bear markets declined an average of 32%"You left me wondering which stock market(s) you are referring to. Is that the Total Stock Market Index (approximated by VTSMX), the Total World Stock Stock Index (approximated by VTWSX) or the S&P
500 Index (approximated by VFINX)? Perhaps it's an average of all three? Or, perhaps it refers to some other entirely different stock market index? Sorry if that's
nit-picking, but not all bear markets follow the same pattern. Practically speaking, an individual's equity holdings might perform much better than that average 32% loss, or far worse - depending on the types of stocks held during the multiple year time-frame mentioned.
Another important consideration is that most investors' losses during past bear markets were to an extent mitigated as their bond holdings appreciated in value owing to falling interest rates which accompany most recessions. Coupon yields also contributed to the investor's total return. With the very low (actually extraordinarily low) yields on U.S. Treasuries today, that mitigating influence would be much less. Net-net, the "average" investor today would probably take a harder hit than he/she experienced during recent "average" past recessions. Of less significance, but worth noting, is that those "average" reported market losses
exclude the additional hit from ongoing fund/investment fees, usually paid out of an investor's assets.
Your advice regarding keeping several years cash on hand is valid. I know other intelligent investors who do the same (though my approach varies somewhat). Thanks for sharing. Hope I haven't misrepresented your views or otherwise muddied the issue.
DSEUX / DLEUX
BobC - New Osterweis Funds PONDX continues to amaze (though not a HY Bond fund).
Maybe
@Junkster could chime here, but I also see WHIYX as a reasonable HY choice as well. M8 knock this fund for recent management changes. Another choice that performs similarly to WHIYX, but may not be open to new investors is PRHYX.
Own OSTIX...diverisfy into WHIYX on dips:

recession in horizon Hi Guys,
The upward pull of the equity marketplace is nearly irresistible. I say nearly irresistible because since 1953 the market has only experienced 10 recessions that occupied about 20% of a total period of over 550 months. In retrospect, it's a statistically healthy period of time that Burton Malkiel summarized in his "The Random Walk Guide to Investing" book.
In that historical timeframe, those 10 Bear markets declined an average of 32% and the decline lasted 10 months. The average 100% full recovery period absorbed another 21 months.
I interpreted these data to mean that I ought to keep a cash or near cash portfolio allocation that covers just under 3 years of possible needs. That safety factor surely decreased my portfolio return expectation, but that's the price for downside protection. It has served me well.
With that cushion, I don't worry much over daily or even monthly market action. Again from Malkiel, going back to 1926, the S&P 500 has delivered positive outcomes over 70%, over 90%, and over 97% of the time for periods of 1, 5, and 10 years, respectively. I like those odds.
Truth be told, I really don't worry about much of anything. What happens, happens well beyond my control.
I too agree that headlines often are misleading by design.
Best Wishes.
BobC - New Osterweis Funds Count me among those who don't see the appeal with OSTVX. Compared with Wellington, OSTVX:
- tracks moderately closely (correlation coefficient r of 0.92, coefficient of determination R^2 of 8
5%)
- is a bit more volatile
- generally underperforms (except for a period of about a year - mid 2012 to mid 2013)
- much more expensive
See this Portfolio Visualizer
analysis page for correlation, std deviation and lifetime performance comparisons, and this M*
performance chart for relative performances
It's not as though I don't find funds like this interesting. I used to follow Greenspring GRSPX. (Another fund with a fixed income sleeve that is low quality, shorter duration.) At the end of the day, ISTM what matters is performance.
That's not to say that portfolio allocation doesn't matter, but there are solid multi-sector funds that one can use instead to increase one's exposure to that portion of the fixed income market. (Even, dare I say, OSTIX.)
BobC - New Osterweis Funds Because of M*, and now Calinan joining Osterweis, I am going to use OSTVX as buy when down fund rather than a long term fund. Yeah, I shouldn't have been swayed my M*, but it was too late before I figured them out. Given OSTVX is only NTF @ Merrill, with a $5K minimum, I'm going to wait till it sucks. They all do at some point.
What Are You Buying ... Selling ... or Pondering? I just took my equity position down from 75% to 60%. The market's had a nice run here with the rally since the election. But much of that has been based on the belief that corporate and individual taxes are coming down significantly. I expect that Trump is going to run into some tough sledding as we go forward.
PXAIX @TSP_Transfer,
Thanks for the tip on CCAPX, which is an interesting global allocation fund, but really not in the ALT space. The CCAPX manager, Ryan Caldwell, served as the assistant manager of WASAX when it was on top of the world (1/2007 - 6/2014), and during his tenure, this fund beat the heavy hitters like MALOX and SGIIX, and even the wannabes, like WGRNX.
Test trading for CCAPX indicates that it is not available at Scottrade and Wellstrade, but it is available in TDAmeritrade and Fidelity retirement accounts with no minimum + TF. At an actual 1.1
5% expense ratio, this fund has very reasonable expenses.
Kevin
PXAIX
Bond Market Is Ridiculously Oversold – Jeff Gundlach Many expect the market to go higher. As DJIA reached new high last week, I rebalanced more back into bonds and cash, ~25% and 5%, respectively.
Any idea on how DoubleLine Total Return and Core bonds are doing?
DLTNX 3 months: down -1.44%
DLFNX 3 mos: -1.35%
For comparison: DODIX, 3 mos: -down 0.74%.
MWTRX 3 mos. -1.88%.
DFLEX happens to be up 0.66% over the last 3 months.
WHGIX - No more a great OWL @VintageFreak,
I own a foothold in WHGIX, but a 1
5% position in the best fund in that space, PRWCX.
Kevin