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  • GMO White Paper: The Late Cycle Lament: The Dual Economy, Minsky Moments, And Other Concerns
    DODIX is an intermediate term bond fund, A category I have never and won’t ever trade. This is a discussion for after Christmas, As an aside, because of a comment I made here, I ended up sending an investor my 1040s going back to 1992 - as well as my current brokerage statement for my IRA account. Again for after Christmas.
    Thanks Hank, but I wish he was only one company.
    Why I read this forum? I enjoy Ted’s links. Saves me a lot of time staying informed. Whether you trade or invest, knowing as much as you can about the markets is integral. - at least for me. You never know when one small bit of information can have a powerful effect on your performance results.
    Investment board sentiment is important to me and when I see too many investors leaning in the same direction I become wary. A recent case in point was when so many income investors became loaded to the gills in the bank loan bond sector yet amid deteriorating fundamentals ala record covenant lite issuance.
  • HOBEX
    I reached out to Holbrook Holdings this afternoon about the fund's 3 and 1-month underperformance.
    Here's the reply:
    The fund is struggling in this environment because all corporate credit is weak, but it is particularly bad in the BDC space. A fund that tracks BDC’s is down 11.5% over the last month, which is indictive of where these have traded. Since there is so much retail money in these, they tend to become extremely oversold in environments like this, where they seem to be thrown out at all levels. Issues that were paying 4-5% 3 months ago are now yielding 8-10%, and not a lot has changed except sentiment in that space. The spread on these has widened out to over 1 point which is as severe as it has been since August 2011, so we are continuing to hold and anticipate that after tax loss selling abates, but it is no fun in the meantime.
    Hope this helps.
    I profiled the fund in the July Observer.
  • GMO White Paper: The Late Cycle Lament: The Dual Economy, Minsky Moments, And Other Concerns
    @Junkster
    >> some including me moved on to bond funds instead of the more volatile equity sector funds, Fund Alarm and MFO were/ are forums for those who invest/trade in mutual funds.
    Sure, but even when you look at, say, DODIX since winter 2010-11 you see a few occasions of ~1% drops, sometimes more than that (hence suicidal ideation opportunities). So I inferred that someone who felt as you do would be not even in a bond fund, but in actual bonds, where absolute drop avoidance is the principle.
    Hence the question about reading investment forums, that's all.
  • GMO White Paper: The Late Cycle Lament: The Dual Economy, Minsky Moments, And Other Concerns
    Re: TRRIX - The fund lost 18% during 2008. The S&P was off 36.5% that year. Over the past 10 years (including 2008) the fund has averaged in excess of 6% annual. I’d guess that cash and cash-equivalency instruments failed to return even half that much over the same period.
    I’m not a momentum investor. Further, I can afford to have 2 or 3 bad years back-to-back without seriously impacting my subsistence / standard of living. What I never hear mentioned here (or anywhere) are the dangers of paper currencies - implicit in their tendancy to self-devalue over the years. Just think about that new car sticker of $3,000 in 1970 (which I referenced above) to get a sense of what happens to virtually all paper currencies over time. Trying to fight that continuous devaluation of paper is the best reason I can think of for charting a long term investment course.
    @Junkster is known to be a superb investor. He was so good trading in and out during his day that he was banned by at least one house. Says a lot. :) And I always welcome his contributions here!
  • HOBEX
    I don't own this fund, but I disagree with your analysis. According to M* 93% of the bonds this fund owns are BBB or better, so it's not junk. It did drop last week, but is still up 0.5% ytd, which is better than the vanguard total bond market index (-0.8% ytd), a good proxy for the bond market in general. HOBIX is a tiny, new fund ($31M in assets, inception mid-2016), and expenses for a bond fund are high (1.34%). If I owned it I wouldn't be panicking.
  • HOBEX
    Quite a drop, especially last week, even accounting for the distribution. While the projected inflation increases have cooled off, as best I can tell HOBEX/HOBIX got killed because of it's large holdings of BDC bonds. BDC stocks are down 15 t0 20%, and over 10% last week alone. Even pure junk bond funds like JNK have not done any worse than HOBEX. HOBEX looks more like a junk bond fund now than anything else. Anybody else thinking of selling?
  • GMO White Paper: The Late Cycle Lament: The Dual Economy, Minsky Moments, And Other Concerns

    >> I would be on suicide watch if I was down 4.6% YTD (or for that matter 1% or 2%).

    So what are you in to keep you alive with 1% or 2% drops,
    and more important why are you on any investment forum in the first place?
    The $12 is for your PDP, right? (rx plan)

    I must be a relic from bygone days. The predecessor of MFO - Fund Alarm - had many of us who traded equity sector funds using various momentum strategies. One fellow here even had a free website of all the funds daily based solely on momentum. rono would probably remember his name, (Pony Express Bob?) After 2008 some including me moved on to bond funds instead of the more volatile equity sector funds, Fund Alarm and MFO were/ are forums for those who invest/trade in mutual funds. At least that is my understanding.
  • The Week Ahead In The Markets
    Well, look on the bright side. If deferred accounts are at their lows on 31 Dec, RMD withdrawals will be slightly down for 2019.
  • The Week Ahead In The Markets
    FYI: Stocks slumped last week, with the Dow posting its worst weekly performance in a decade and the Nasdaq descending into a bear market.
    The S&P 500 ended the week down 7%, while the Dow fell 6.87%. The Nasdaq plunged 8.36% for the week and entered a bear market, lower by more than 20% from its August 29 high of 8,109.69 points.
    After last week’s crushing performance, the major U.S. indices are on track to end the year firmly in the red. The S&P 500 and the Dow are each down more than 9% in 2018, while the Nasdaq is down more than 8%.
    The final full calendar week of 2018 will be a short one for investors. The stock market will close early at 1 p.m. ET on Monday and will be completely closed on Tuesday in observance of Christmas.
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/government-shutdown-know-week-ahead-201945078.html
  • The Breakfast Briefing: U.S. Stock Futures Point To A Christmas Eve Bounce For Battered Equities
    FYI: (Market's Close At 1:00 PM EST.)
    U.S. stock futures rose Monday, indicating markets could bounce in a holiday-shortened session after the worst week of trading since the financial crisis of 2008.
    Dow Jones Industrial Average futures YMH9, +0.36% rose 125 points, or 0.6%, to 22,533, while S&P 500 futures ESH9, +0.41% gained 15 points, or 0.6%, to 2,429.25. Nasdaq-100 NQH9, +0.60% futures rose 38.75 points, or 0.6%, to 6,102.
    On Friday, the Dow Jones Industrial Averages DJIA, -1.81% fell 414.23 points, or 1.8%, to 22,445.37, while the S&P 500 index SPX, -2.06% fell 50.84 points, or 2.1%, to 2,416.58. The Nasdaq Composite Index COMP, -2.99% COMP, -2.99% traded down 195.41 points, or 3%, to 6,332.99.
    The Nasdaq officially entered bear market territory Friday, down 21.9% from its Aug. 31 highs. That’s as the S&P and the Dow inch closer to bear market territory, with the S&P off 17.5% from its Sept. 20 highs, and the Dow down 16.3% from an Oct. 3 high.
    The weekly performances for the Dow — off 6.9% — and the Nasdaq — down 8.4% — were the worst since 2008. The S&P fell 7.1% for its worst weekly showing since 2011. Friday’s volumes were the heaviest since August 2011.
    Regards,
    Ted
    WSJ:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-stocks-slip-amid-treasury-department-comments-11545642300
    Bloomberg:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-23/asian-stocks-set-to-slip-yen-up-as-caution-reigns-markets-wrap?srnd=premium
    MarketWatch:
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-stock-futures-point-to-a-christmas-eve-bounce-for-battered-equities-2018-12-24/print
    IBD:
    https://www.investors.com/market-trend/stock-market-today/dow-jones-futures-bear-market-trump-government-shutdown-fed-chairman-powell/
    Reuters:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-stocks/index-futures-little-changed-ahead-of-holiday-shortened-week-idUSKCN1OM0M7
    CNBC:
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/24/us-stock-futures-fall-slightly-as-the-dow-attempts-to-rebound-from-its-worst-week-in-a-decade.html
    Europe:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-stocks/european-shares-dip-in-thin-holiday-trade-idUSKCN1ON0CB
    Asia:
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/asian-markets-mostly-lower-as-investors-await-wall-streets-next-move-2018-12-23/print
    Bonds:
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/21/bonds-us-treasury-yields-continue-climb-ahead-of-auctions.html
    Currencies:
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/24/forex-markets-japanese-yen-swiss-franc-us-politics-in-focus.html
    Oil:
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/24/oil-markets-global-crude-supply-in-focus.html
    Gold:
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/24/gold-markets-us-politics-dollar-in-focus.html
    Current Futures:
    https://finviz.com/futures.ashx
  • GMO White Paper: The Late Cycle Lament: The Dual Economy, Minsky Moments, And Other Concerns

    >> I would be on suicide watch if I was down 4.6% YTD (or for that matter 1% or 2%).

    So what are you in to keep you alive with 1% or 2% drops,
    and more important why are you on any investment forum in the first place?
    The $12 is for your PDP, right? (rx plan)
  • GMO White Paper: The Late Cycle Lament: The Dual Economy, Minsky Moments, And Other Concerns
    I would be on suicide watch if I was down 4.6% YTD (or for that matter 1% or 2%). and I have definitely been around the block a few times.
    I appreciate the sentiment. Different situations require different approaches. But I’m wondering if, perhaps, we’ve been around “different blocks” over our lifetimes? I’ve always associated increased risk with increased potential reward. Over my 50 years investing (my “block”, so to speak), I’ve witnessed the following:
    A 22.6% one-day drop in the Dow Jones Industrial Average (1987).
    An 86% one-year increase in the NASDAQ (1999).
    A 50% decline in the NASDAQ the following year.
    A 50% drop in the S&P in fewer than 2 years (2007-‘09).
    The “halving” of home values across large portions of the U.S. over just 3 or 4 years (2007-10)
    Japan’s Nikkei 225 topping out @ 39,000 (1989) & bottoming @ 7,055 20 years later.
    Gasoline at 16-cents a gallon - and at $5.00 a gallon.
    The price of gold @ $35 and @ $1600.
    A United States prime lending rate of 22% (1983) and 3% (2015)
    Mortgage rates as high as 15-20% and as low as 3%.
    New full-sized American autos priced at $3,000 (1970) / new pickups priced at $70,000 (today).
    The Enron (energy) fiasco, Michael Milken and junk bonds, Richard Strong and mutual funds, and Bernard Madoff with his ponzi scheme.
    The Vietnam War, the 9-11 attacks, the impeachment of two Presidents and attempted assassination of two others.
    In short, stuff happens. No one should ever put money at risk in the markets that they can’t afford to (or aren’t willing to) lose.
  • YAFFX is Shining Again During The Current Downturn
    What makes for a good fund for staying invested through a downturn? YAFFX appears to be working its magic again during the current pullback.
    Here is how it has fared this fall:
    Fall of 2018
    And here is how it fared during and following the 2008 to 2009 market decline:
    2008 to 2009 Downturn
    YAFFX had 24% in cash as of 9/30. So, there were plenty of $'s on the sidelines to put to work when valuations become more favorable. This might not be a bad pick for someone who wants to stay invested but is concerned about the direction of the U.S. stock market going into 2019.
  • Sources state that, Trump is asking advisers if can fire Fed. Chair Powell.....
    Yes @Old_skeet. We should be more like China in the 1300's trying to keep out invaders.
    You think I should be ashamed????
    To show blind support to a bully, a want-to-be dictator who shows admiration for other dictators, one who runs our countries business as if he were a mafia godfather destroying anyone who has a differing opinion (RIP John McCain), who has attempted to silence and destroy the unofficial 4th branch of this Democracy - the press, who has tried to do the same with the Supreme Court (thanks for speaking up Mr. Roberts) who likely lead efforts of treason and jeopardized his own family members into doing the same in order to get elected, who broke finance laws in order to get elected, who can't keep decent people on his staff as they flock to the exits under the chaos of his leadership, who is a liar and an unethical cheat, one who demoralizes the FBI and CIA in an effort to divert criminal facts from landing on him, who has made enemies of our long standing global friendships, who backs rogue leaders who murder their own people, who has destroyed a health care system out of spite for his predecessor, who jeopardized the worlds environmental future for the same reason, who now is putting the economy into recession with bone headed moves he now wants to blame on others... This has made America great again? Absurd.
    Hell, this guy has even given witches a bad name. Nope, I could never blindly support a man like that. You apparently can as long as you get your wall, so shame on you.
  • Sources state that, Trump is asking advisers if can fire Fed. Chair Powell.....
    After all China has "The Great Wall of China." Seems we need a wall as well.
    If Skeet is implying that this administration belongs somewhere in the 14th to 17th centuries, I agree wholeheartedly.
  • GMO White Paper: The Late Cycle Lament: The Dual Economy, Minsky Moments, And Other Concerns
    Dark humor.
    My math shows the S&P off 17.5% since its high in late summer. Not cheap - but “cheaper” than during the most recent euphoria. To me that implies valuations are heading in the “right” direction. I’m most curious when the report was actually penned. Dated December, 2018 - but likely drafted sometime in November before the steepest losses of the current bear market. The 15+% YTD drop as of today (much greater in some segments) might have been enough to mitigate the paper’s bear case.
    If I’m reading GMO’s “Executive Summary” correctly, it is suggesting “0” exposure to U.S. equities. I’ve been slanting more towards global equities (and currencies) due to the increasingly unstable and chaotiic U.S. political / governmental structure. Certainly bears consideration.
    However, the report makes one wonder: Whatever happened to the diversified portfolio - long hearlded as the safest, steadiest approach to investing? Throwing all your marbles into one basket or another is one way to garner outsized reward - if you happen to get it right. But it also opens the door to huge losses if you’re wrong or decide to exit when the pain becomes greater than you can bear.
    How bad are things? Price’s TRRIX, a well diversified conservative balanced fund targeted toward retired individuals and having near 60% exposure to fixed income, was off only 4.6% YTD. Their slightly more aggressive TRRFX - targeted towards those near retirement was off a bit less. For those who have been around the block a few times, these are not staggering losses or something one should lose much sleep over.
    I would be on suicide watch if I was down 4.6% YTD (or for that matter 1% or 2%). and I have definitely been around the block a few times. My nest egg is about all I have. No pension and minimal SS benefits of only $1076 monthly of which they deduct $189 for my Part B premium. And now next year they are deducting another $12.40 for something I don’t quite understand. So $874.60 next year is all I will receive. So I have no choice but to live by two rules. - #1 Don’t lose and # 2 Don’t forget Rule #1.
  • GMO White Paper: The Late Cycle Lament: The Dual Economy, Minsky Moments, And Other Concerns
    Dark humor.
    My math shows the S&P off 17.5% since its high in late summer. Not cheap - but “cheaper” than during the most recent euphoria. To me that implies valuations are heading in the “right” direction. I’m most curious when the report was actually penned. Dated December, 2018 - but likely drafted sometime in November before the steepest losses of the current bear market. The 15+% YTD drop as of today (much greater in some segments) might have been enough to mitigate the paper’s bear case.
    If I’m reading GMO’s “Executive Summary” correctly, it is suggesting “0” exposure to U.S. equities. I’ve been slanting more towards global equities (and currencies) due to the increasingly unstable and chaotiic U.S. political / governmental structure. Certainly bears consideration.
    However, the report makes one wonder: Whatever happened to the diversified portfolio - long hearlded as the safest, steadiest approach to investing? Throwing all your marbles into one basket or another is one way to garner outsized reward - if you happen to get it right. But it also opens the door to huge losses if you’re wrong or decide to exit when the pain becomes greater than you can bear.
    How bad are things? Price’s TRRIX, a well diversified conservative balanced fund targeted toward retired individuals and having near 60% exposure to fixed income, was off only 4.6% YTD. Their slightly more aggressive TRRFX - targeted towards those near retirement was off a bit less. For those who have been around the block a few times, these are not staggering losses or something one should lose much sleep over.
  • Sources state that, Trump is asking advisers if can fire Fed. Chair Powell.....
    . There may be hell to pay when Joe and Jodie 6-pack get their 401k statements at year’s end. There go 3-5% of his stalwart 38%.
    That's an excellent point. Approval ratings are always tied to stock/economic performance.
    And if unemployment spikes next year, then lookout below!
  • Sources state that, Trump is asking advisers if can fire Fed. Chair Powell.....
    Yeah - I heard that last evening. Thought about posting it. You hear a lot about “Individual 1“ nowadays. Hard to tell what’s true. What’s real.
    I hope Janet Yellen has an unlisted number. That’s the last place she’d want to be. (Don’t answer the phone if it rings Janet!) Powell looks as if he’s workin on a big-time ulcer. Bet he’d rather be anywhere else.
    Imagine the reverberations among the world’s central banks, financial centers and in the currency markets if he should fire Powell or force his resignation. Gold would go bananas (tip).
    At least it would be a diversion from Russia collusion and Mueller issues for lil Don.
    More likely, I think, the Syria game is intended as a diversion away from the dismal stock market. While I’m at it - commodities and bonds haven’t exactly shone lately either. The big winners are folks like Fleckenstein (Maybe Dalio?) who have been shorting tech. Not a lot else working. There may be hell to pay when Joe and Jodie 6-pack get their 401k statements at year’s end. There go 3-5% of his stalwart 38.