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  • Seafarer at three
    Today's was Seafarer Overseas Growth & Income (SFGIX) fund's third anniversary; it launched February 15, 2012. Steady asset growth despite a tough stretch for the emerging markets. Annual returns since inception are, per Morningstar, 8%. The category average for the same period is 1%. The big gains came in the first year but he's steadily outperformed since then, too.
    I'm not sure why the fund won't debut as a Five Star, Great Owl but I've been surprised before.
    With luck, Andrew will join us for a conference call in April. You'd certainly be welcome to join if you'd like to talk with him.
    As ever,
    David
  • Berkshire Eliminates Exxon Stake Amid Plunge In Oil Prices
    FYI: Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. eliminated its holding in Exxon Mobil Corp., exiting a $3.7 billion investment in the world’s largest energy company as oil prices fell.
    Berkshire had no holding in the Exxon as of Dec. 31, according to a regulatory filing Tuesday from Buffett’s Omaha, Nebraska-based company detailing its U.S. stock portfolio. That compares with about 41 million shares three months earlier. Berkshire also increased its investment in agricultural equipment maker Deere & Co. and disclosed a stake in 21st Century Fox Inc.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-17/berkshire-cuts-exxon-mobil-stake-amid-plunge-in-oil-prices
  • wintergreen
    Hi MikeW,
    I would classify WGRNX as a definite sell. David Winters has always given interesting interviews, but despite the hype at the fund's inception ("2 without the 20" hedge fund comparison), WGRNX has never behaved like a hedge fund and has had underwhelming performance to date. Furthermore, WGRNX continues to be outperformed by his old fund, MDISX, despite a huge difference in AUM: $1.4B vs. $25B.
    Among global funds, there are more attractive options such as: VMNVX (young, but so far so good), DODWX, THOIX ($500 minimum + initial TF in Fidelity retirement accounts per test trade) and HCOYX.
    Kevin
  • wintergreen
    I agree with some of what David Winters has said regarding emerging market consumers and still own a significant holding in former Wintergreen top holding Jardine Matheson. That said, the fund has not done terribly well in recent years, partly due to the Macau theme, which has seemingly cooled off quite a bit recently. He also has a few sizable energy holdings, including "forever a value" Canadian Natural Resources.
    I don't think the emerging market consumer theme has done all that well in the last couple of years, although there have absolutely been some exceptions (especially the internet stocks - Tencent, for example.)
    Keep in mind there has been a crackdown on luxury gifting in China, which has hurt stocks like Diageo and has probably hurt Richemont (http://www.cnbc.com/id/100445071)
    The Winters vs Coke battle was ridiculous and he's probably taken losses on the Swiss holdings (Richemont, Nestle, Swatch) lately.
    The Genting companies that Wintergreen holds are the most fascinating resort companies, but have done terribly as stocks. They are high on the list of "stocks I would like to like but can't."
    I don't think Winters is wrong on the EM consumer trade, but I think his themes have run into problems and I get the sense in interviews that he's long-term in his beliefs/holdings and if you don't want to join him, go.
    I completely agree with you regarding the lack of short selling. Not that one has to use that tool constantly or anything, but Winters has often pitched Wintergreen as a "hedge fund" with all manner of tools at its disposal and it's rare he seems to use any of them. He's discussed his ability to go activist - I mean, him going against Coke is literally kind of a David vs Goliath and kind of a waste of time and resources.
    Seafarer would not be a bad choice at all, although that's EM vs Wintergreen (world fund), so not an apples-to-apples replacement. Still, at least Seafarer provides a bit of a yield.
  • Scott Burns: Couch Potato Investing Trumps “Expert” Investing, Once More
    I'm going to reinstitute the 40 word rule(MFO)....Life is short and so is my attention
    Old Salesman rule, you have 15 seconds to get a prospects attention/interest.....its true..
  • wintergreen
    Can I ask what people's thoughts are on Wintergreen are? I've owned it since its inception because of David Winters's prior track record. However his performance over the 1, 3, and 5 year periods is pretty awful compared to the category averages. In addition, as others have noted, his total expense ratio is really high for this category. He has pitched this fund as a go anywhere fund that can short stocks to offer protection, but he didn't do so in 2008. At any rate, I'm thinking of selling this holding and deploying the funds into an emerging markets fund like Seafarer. My EM exposure right now is only about 7% and I'd like to increase it. Would value your thoughts. thanks!
  • how much to contribute to 401k [investing 101]
    First some clarifications
    (1) John's reference to "tsp" leads me to think he's a Federal employee. A description of tsp http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/thrift_savings_plan.asp
    (2) His question refers to "401K". While not the same, 401Ks and TSPs operate pretty much the same. According to the description above, one can be converted into the other.
    (3) John refers to "distribution" in his question. I suspect he means "contribution."
    If John wants respondents to detail how much they invest annually in these plans, I can't answer. We contribute nothing in retirement. In fact, we take distributions of 4-5% annually. While employed, my contributions varied widely. The limit back in the 70s-90s was in the range of $6,000 to $10,000 annually as I recall. We seldom "maxed-out", except during the last few years.
    The first article (which I read) isn't very well focused. It mentions the need to save and difficulties that often prevent families from doing so. It touches on RMD requirements. It gives $18,000 as the yearly limit on contributions. And, it notes that some employer plans feature a match.
    Like most of these articles, they manage to get the wagon out in front of the horse a little. Before people can save, they have to to learn to manage household expenses through effective planning/budgeting. They also need to get off the credit Merry Go-Round if they're carrying over monthly balances on credit cards or other forms of revolving credit.
    Once solvent, families can begin saving. I won't go overboard touting 401Ks. They're a great component to saving. However, as some have noted previously, the tax advantages eventually come back to haunt you in the form of the "ordinary income" tax rates applied on plan distributions. For at least some, 401Ks may not be the preferred method of saving. I once met a fellow who had chosen to invest during his working years in rental properties he was fixing-up and which would provide an income stream during retirement. So, one size does not fit all.
    My favorite expression relating to monthly savings - "PAY YOURSELF FIRST."
  • 3 beautiful boring balanced funds from Vanguard
    Acitve managed Moderate Allocation funds list, which vary in balance methodology.
    Click upon the 5 year column for the longer view to sort by return percentage.
    Note: these funds, not unlike we mortal individual investors have off years, too; as with
    VILLX, which fell upon its return face in 2014.
  • ETFs Made Easy: Dividend ETF Investing
    FYI: There are plenty of reasons investors like dividend-paying stocks.
    At the core of it is simple history: While prices go up and down, there are stocks out there that pay a certain amount in dividends, year after year, often oblivious to whether the S&P 500 Index is up or down. There’s a certain solace in knowing that even if your portfolio is down 5 percent, you’ll still get a dividend check.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.etf.com/sections/blog/etfs-made-easy-dividend-etf-investing?nopaging=1
  • Don't Count High Yield Out Just Yet
    FYI: Reward in the offing for investors who stick to their guns, keep an eye on liquidity, remain vigilant on credit quality.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20150217/BLOG09/150219947?template=printart
    M* High-Yield Bond Fund Returns:
    http://news.morningstar.com/fund-category-returns/high-yield-bond/$FOCA$HY.aspx
    U.S. News & World Report Ranks High-Yield Bond Funds:
    http://money.usnews.com/funds/mutual-funds/rankings/high-yield-bond?int=9ed708
  • Scott Burns: Couch Potato Investing Trumps “Expert” Investing, Once More

    MJG & rjb,
    Am I understanding correctly that both of you use a combination of actively managed funds as well as index funds? I've considered the merits of such a strategy in the past and am aware individuals such as Charles Schwab are advocates of the combination.
    Hi Roy,
    Yes, you are correct. I use a combination of actively managed funds as well as index funds. And like MJG, as time goes on, my percentage of indexed equity investments has been increasing and my percentage of actively managed equity investments has been decreasing.
    And I plan to continue this, that is, use an increasingly larger percentage of indexed equity funds rather than actively managed equity funds. I'm particularly disenchanted with the negative tax implications of actively managed equity funds, that is to say, the fact that they distribute taxable capital gains.
    And I'm increasingly overjoyed that the Vanguard Total Stock Market Index fund and Vanguard S&P 500 Index funds have not distributed any capital gains in over 10 years, and I only have to pay taxes on qualified dividends.
    Last year was particularly distressing with respect to the large amount of taxable distributions from the actively managed equity funds (capital gains distributions........I'm not distressed by dividends, as if a company wants to pay dividends, that's great). To add insult to injury, on top of the generally large amount of taxable capital gains distributions from the actively managed stock funds, they generally underperformed the indexes by a significant amount. If you are going to distribute taxable capital gains to shareholders, at least outperform the indexes.
    MJG has been partly instrumental in helping to change my thinking. I have read literally dozens of his posts where he has shown that skill is increasingly difficult to demonstrate in active fund managers, and luck often explains things when they do outperform the market.
    I think Jack Bogle was 40 years ahead of his time. They called his S&P 500 index fund, which opened in 1976, "Bogle's Folly". No one wanted an "average" performance. Everyone wanted to pick funds that beat the market. But obviously all funds cannot beat the market, and after fund expenses, some of which show up in the expense ratio and some of which do not (such as brokerage fees, losses due to bid-ask spreads, losses due to the fund itself affecting the market price of the stock, etc), the vast majority do not.
    And Bogle once speculated that taxes alone possibly subtracted about 2% per year from the returns on actively managed mutual funds versus index funds. I don't have a follow up on that, or data to know the true figure.
    It's difficult to pick actively managed funds that are going to beat their respective index funds, in advance. It's very easy to pick them after the fact, retrospectively!! Even the pros can't do it well. And even equity mutual fund managers cannot do a good job picking funds that will beat their respective indexes.
    Even Morningstar can't do it, in my opinion. Morningstar has a newsletter that may be called something like "Morningstar Fund Investor", and they have model portfolios. They have not beaten their respective indexes, and that newsletter is written by probably the top fund picker at Morningstar. He can't beat the market by choosing a portfolio of actively managed stock funds.
    Anyway, yes, I own both actively managed and indexed equity funds, but am generally disenchanted with active management, primarily due to the fees involved. If there were no fees to actively managed funds, they would beat their respective indexes. Expenses are the reason they underperform as a group. It's not that the managers don't know what they are doing.......it's the fees involved, the expense ratio plus the other fees not found in the expense ratios.

    take care Roy,
    Happy Investing
  • Scott Burns: Couch Potato Investing Trumps “Expert” Investing, Once More
    There was a recent thread on how much index vs. managed funds many "Bogleheads" have. I was surprised to see that even among the purists, most still have some active funds in their portfolios. https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151405&f=10
  • Scott Burns: Couch Potato Investing Trumps “Expert” Investing, Once More
    Hi Roy,
    Yes, my portfolio is a mix of passive and actively managed funds.
    About a decade ago my portfolio was 100 % actively managed funds and individual stocks. Today, I own zero stocks and roughly 35 % is with active products. My plan is to reduce that commitment to a floor of about 20 % as I continue to reduce my portfolio management schedule. I suspect this is a very common investment trajectory that is strongly influenced by an experience and learning process.
    Best Wishes.
  • Scott Burns: Couch Potato Investing Trumps “Expert” Investing, Once More
    Added VBINX to the moderate allocation funds I had listed instead of the couch potato portfolio as VBINX equity to fixed income ratio is ~60/40...closer to the other funds listed.
    As of 2/13/15, 1 yr, 3 yr, 5 yr, 10 yr returns
    VBINX 11.29, 11.66, 11.84, 7.12
    PRWCX 13.8, 14.99, 13.91, 8.91
    FPACX 7.77, 11.46, 10.86, 8.41
    VWELX 11.59, 12.7, 12.09, 8.06
    DODBX 9.97, 15.58, 13.36, 6.85
    OAKBX 10.19, 11.66, 10.29, 8.17
    MJG & rjb,
    Am I understanding correctly that both of you use a combination of actively managed funds as well as index funds? I've considered the merits of such a strategy in the past and am aware individuals such as Charles Schwab are advocates of the combination.
  • Scott Burns: Couch Potato Investing Trumps “Expert” Investing, Once More

    For investors who desire a moderate allocation portfolio who do not desire to put in the effort to identify funds that have a history of doing better.......
    Does investing in funds that have a history of doing better result in a portfolio that performs better in the future?
    John Bogle is fond of saying that "past is not prologue"
    And MJG has frequently posted about the lack of persistence in mutual fund performance, in other words, invest in a list of the best performers over the past 10 years, and it is not likely they will be in the list of best performers for the coming 10 years.
    https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?uid=50214&f=10&t=156573&start=0
    What Experts Say About "Past Performance"
    Frank Armstrong, financial author: "Rating services such as Morningstar's 'Star Awards' or the 'Forbes Honor Roll' attest to the futility of applying past performance to tomorrow."
    Barra Research: "There is no persistence of equity fund performance."
    Jack Bogle: "The biggest mistake investors make is looking backward at performance and thinking it’ll recur in the future."
    Burns Advisory tracked the performance of Morningstar's five-star rated stock funds beginning January 1, 1999. Of the 248 stock funds, just four still kept that rank after ten years.
    Wm. Bernstein, author of The Four Pillars of Investing: "For the 20 years from 1970 to 1989, the best performing stock assets were Japanese stocks, U.S. small stocks, and gold stocks. These turned out to be the worst performing assets over the next decade."
    Jack Brennan, former Vanguard CEO: "Fund ranking is meaningless when based primarily on past performance, as most are."
    Andrew Clarke, author: "By the time an investment reaches the top of the performance tables, there's a good chance that its run is over. The past is not prologue."
    Prof. John Cochrane, author: "Past performance has almost no information about future performance."
    S.T.Coleridge: "History is a lantern over the stern. It shows where you've been but not where you're going"
    Jonathan Clements, author & Wall Street Journal columnist: "Trying to pick market-beating investments is a loser's game."
    Eugene Fama, Nobel Laureate: "Our research on individual mutual funds says that it's impossible to identify true winners on a reliable basis, even if one ignores the costs that active funds impose on investors."
    Gensler & Bear, co-authors of The Great Mutual Fund Trap: "Of the fifty top-performing funds in 2000, not a single one appeared on the list in either 1999 or 1998."
    Ken Heebner's CGM Focus Fund was the top U.S. equity fund in 2007. In November 2009, it ranked in the bottom 1% of its category.
    Arthur Levitt, SEC Commissioner: "A mutual fund's past performance, which is the first feature that investors consider when choosing a fund, doesn't predict future performance."
    Burton Malkiel, author of the classic Random Walk Down Wall Street: "I have examined the lack of persistency in fund returns over periods from the 1960s through the early 2000s.--There is no persistency to good performance. It is as random as the market."
    Mercer Investment Consulting from a study of over 12,000 institutional managers: "Excellent recent performance not only doesn't guarantee future results but generally leads to under-performance in the subsequent period."
    After fifteen straight years beating the S&P 500 Index, Bill Miller's Legg Mason Value Trust (LMNVX) is now (1/25/2015) in the bottom 1% of its category for 10-year returns .
    Ron Ross, author of The Unbeatable Market: "Extensive studies by Davis, Brown & Groetzman, Ibbotson, Elton et al, all confirmed there is no significant persistance in mutual fund performance."
    Bill Schultheis, adviser and author of The Coffeehouse Investor: "Using past performance numbers as a method for choosing mutual funds is such a lousy idea that mutual fund companies are required by law to tell you it is a lousy idea."
    Standard & Poor's: "Over the 5 years ending September 2009, only 4.27% large-cap funds, 3.98% mid-cap funds, and 9.13% small-cap funds maintained a top-half ranking over the five consecutive 12-month periods."
    Larry Swedroe, author of many finance books: "The 44 Wall Street Fund was the top performing fund over the decade of the 1970s. It ranked as the single worst performing fund of the 1980's losing 73%. -- If you are going to use past performance to predict the future winners, the evidence is strong that your approach is highly likely to fail."
    David Swensen, Yale's Chief Investment Officer: "Chasing performance is the biggest mistake investors make. If anything, it is a perverse indicator."
    Tweddell & Pierce, co-authors of Winning With Mutual Funds: "Numerous studies have shown that using superior past performance is no better than random selection."
    Eric Tyson, author of Mutual Funds for Dummies (2010 edition): "Of the number one top-performing stock and bond funds in each of the last 20 years, a whopping 80% of them subsequently performed worse than the average fund in their peer group over the next 5 to 10 years! Some of these former #1 funds actually went on to become the worst-performing funds in their particular category."
    Value Line selected Garret Van Wagoner "Mutual fund Manager of the Year" in 1999. In August 2009, Van Wagoner's Emerging Growth Fund was the worst performing U.S. stock fund over the past 10 years.
    +++++++++++
    along with MJG, I also hold actively managed funds. But I think one thing that needs to be talked about much more is the tax implications (the drop in performance) of all the taxable distributions that actively managed funds tend to make.
    The Vanguard Total Stock Market Index fund and the Vanguard S&P 500 Index fund have not had a single capital gains distribution in more than 10 years. The only taxes you pay are on qualified dividends. This is a HUGE issue.
    In the typical performance figures we see before tax returns. Would be interesting to see after tax returns, given a specified tax bracket. As we all know, you only keep the after tax returns.