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  • Balanced Mutual Funds
    From Multi-Search Tool...
    Three conservative (VWINX, BERIX, GLRBX):
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    Three moderate (VWELX, PRWCX, MAPOX):
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  • The Closing Bell: U.S. Stocks End Higher
    Seriously.
    You're not seeing any of this?
    If you're doing well, you're definitely doing well.
    Do I think there's another 2008 tomorrow? No, but you see some overbuilding in things like hotels. There were a whole lot of hotel projects in major cities in 2007,too and many of them never happened.
    You also had instances of hotels refinancing/taking on additional debt at the peak who got into issues in the years after when cash inflows could not service the debt. It's remarkable how many hotel projects there are in some major cities at this point. It's not people taking advantage after the bust, it's years later and you're seeing the rush. Maybe it's not Blackstone buying Hilton at the top, but feels a little like that.
    Feels like the hotel industry is one big "Whocouldaknown?" Was there one hotel REIT that didn't drop (wholly or completely) the dividend in 2008?
    This is a lovely chart:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=BEE+Interactive#symbol=BEE;range=my
    (nearly $25 in mid-2007 and dropped to less than a buck by early 2009. Has it come back? Absolutely, but still less than half the highs.)
    "Go clean.
    Go green."
    Until the next downturn. No one has any long-term vision. Green does well with oil where it is. Oil drops, people forget about it.
    "Everybody owns an i-something."
    I wouldn't necessarily say that's a good thing. "Chicken in every pot, Iphone in every hand?"
    "Innovations in health."
    Any that are going to bring soaring costs down?
    " even HELOCs."
    Oh, good. Because there's evidence that people used those sensibly before.
    Or, if you will, a gif response about HELOCs coming back:
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    "Refurbished bridges."
    Maybe where you're living. I'd say the country as a whole wasted a huge opportunity during this period to focus on infrastructure.
    "Packed stadiums"
    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/attendance-down-not-just-at-miami-marlins-games-060513
    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=87981
    Concert ticket prices rise, sales fall.
    "Construction of new homes."
    Yet, first time buyers aren't there and what's primarily selling seems to be the higher end homes (Again, if you're doing well, you're doing very well.).
    Stats on % change by price
    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/06/Schizo housing recovery May.jpg
    Also, interesting that years ago people were scrambling to convert rentals into condos for sale at the top. Now, you have the reverse: people scrambling to convert condos into rentals. Story on CNBC the other day about a Florida situation where investors bought up the majority of a condo property, to the point where they could force a buyout of the remaining owners, many of whom bought at the top and would now be accepting less than half. You have rents soaring, because so many people can't buy for various reasons.
    Again, I'm not saying another 2008 is around the corner. I'm simply saying, there's the feeling that when things do turn, it'll just be history repeating itself. Easy money boom, easy money bust and, to some degree, back at square one. It's not about creating anything sustainable, it's all about consumption. It's the easiest monetary policy in history and I'm not looking forward to when things eventually turn. I have the feeling that when the next crisis happens, it will be evident that few people learned anything from the last one.
  • SUBFX
    @expatsp:Hi Ted, I'm very aggressive right now: about 85% equities, 10% bonds, 5% cash. Welcome to get off the porch and hunt with the big dogs.
    Regards,
    Ted
  • Paul Merriman: The One Asset Class Every Investor Needs
    Hi rjb112,
    What works on Wall Street is not constant. That’s why the super quants who currently run the most successful Hedge funds are so secretive about their methods and must use the highest speed computers to find and to exploit the market inefficiencies.
    Folks have been learning this investment lesson forever. Jesse Livermore never revealed his secrets and continuously revised them based on present conditions.
    In 1996, James O’Shaughnessy wrote a book titled “What Works on Wall Street” after much research. It was celebrated as the most influential investment book over decades. When O’Shaughnessy initiated a mutual fund to put his findings into practice, it failed miserably. He sold the fund, and the methods he discovered generated excess returns for a period thereafter. Investment strategies come and go and often return. These things are highly transient.
    Risk and reward are tied at the hip, but with a bungee cord so that departures in time and space are variable and unpredictable. But the cord does exist. It is captured in the Wall Street rule of a regression-to-the-mean.
    Each investor gets to choose his own risk level. As Ben Franklin said: “He that would catch fish, must venture his bait”. More recently, Nassim Taleb observed: “Risk taking is necessary for large success – but it is also necessary for failure”. You get to pick where on the risk spectrum your portfolio is positioned.
    There are no free lunches. The marketplace is not a perfect measuring machine and is never in equilibrium. Markets move in that ideal direction, but never quite get there. Some exogenous event disrupts the process. Physically, it’s like an agitated coiled spring that is slowing down to an equilibrium, but gets an unexpected push. Opportunities present themselves but are extremely transient. Hard work is the price to identifying opportunities.
    Two themes that run throughout Scott Patterson’s excellent book “The Quants” are the secret, competitive nature of its participants, and the need for hypersonic speed. The market pricing dislocations don’t persist. For these wiz-kids, The Truth is an elusive target. Emotions are high and disaster is always near, especially when excessive leverage is deployed to magnify small percentage profits into outsized wealth.
    Many long-term players say investing is conceptually easy, but difficult to execute. When David Swensen was writing “Unconventional Success”, he changed the entire format of his book to advocate an Index approach when he realized that the average investor had neither the time, knowledge, or resources needed to execute the strategies deployed by successful professionals.
    In the business world size does matter.
    A reasonable analogy is the human lifecycle. A vibrant adult (a mature business) is better equipped to endure and survive “the slings and arrows of outrageous (mis)fortune” than a baby (an upstart business).
    Again, historically investment asset classes do have a pecking order in terms of expected returns with anticipated risk factors. Typically, but not always since the marketplace can be wild and illogical for excruciatingly long periods, Small Cap rewards are expected to outdistance Large Cap returns. The historical data generally supports this proposition.
    Although Small Caps are often expected to deliver about 2 % incremental returns over their Large Cap brethren, current investor perceptions that are both factually and emotionally driven do distort these projections. Why?
    Small size often makes the company more vulnerable to unexpected perturbations. Typically their product line is more focused and not as diverse as a Large firm. Another risk factor is that growing businesses are often not geography dispersed. Their marketing is regional, not international, so localized disturbances more directly impact their sales.
    The accessible funding line for these smaller outfits is more fragile with lower reserves and less access to loans and at higher interest rates when they can be secured. Large companies have survived their growing phase and are more stable; smaller firms are more subject to business model failures and exogenous disruptions (a new competitor or invention) with bankruptcy a higher probability.
    The bottom-line is that the old investment saw of “Diversification, diversification, diversification” is operative with respect to business sizes. Smart large businesses have the resources to do it, small businesses do not.
    The equity marketplace recognizes these small organization frailties in the risk-reward tradeoffs. Standard deviation is one incomplete measure of risk that is easily available for all stocks.
    An example of the market’s pricing sensitivities is to compare the Vanguard S&P 500 Index (VFINX) with the Vanguard Small Cap Value Index (VISVX) funds. My comparison dates to 1998 which is the first year of operation for the Small Cap Value fund. Here is a Link to that data set:
    http://quotes.morningstar.com/fund/visvx/f?rbtnTicker=Ticker&t=VISVX&x=0&y=0&SC=Q&pageno=0&TLC=
    Since VISVX inception, it has cumulatively outperformed the S&P 500 Index. From the Morningstar’s chart, VISVX has turned an initial $10K investment into $39.6K while the large cap S&P 500 produced $23.6K.
    Given the wild rides of the marketplace, this ordering of outcome will not persist for all specific timeframes. One thing is certain; change will happen.
    Once again historically, the marketplace belonged to Mom and Pop investors. Now, professional players dominate the landscape. Indexing was nearly nonexistent early-on. Now it is 30% of the investment funds (about half professional and half Mom and Pop). Vanguard now controls more money than does Fidelity. Sea changes are not uncommon in the investment world, so an individual investor must always be alert.
    Investment opportunities quickly fade. The speed needed to take advantage of these opportunities almost always takes the individual investor out of the ballgame. Even Hedge funds suffer this fate. But some general principles remain like diversification and reversion-to-the-mean.
    I hope this helps. Enough pontificating. Thanks for giving me the chance to do so.
    Best Wishes.
  • SUBFX
    Hi Ted, I'm very aggressive right now: about 85% equities, 10% bonds, 5% cash. No health care funds. I expect I'm about 30 years from retirement and I did manage during the last market crash to hold tight and add when things looked bleak -- that's how my asset allocation ended up as it is, I moved from bonds and cash into stocks in '08-'09 and have so far only dialed that back only slightly. (Before I sound like a genius, I didn't have that much bonds and cash then either, so the shift was only about 10% of my portfolio, but boy, that 10% made all the difference.)
    But given how aggressive my asset allocation is right now, it's really important that my bond funds not lose money in a downturn. I don't need the upside from that part of my portfolio. Which perhaps means I have just answered my question...
  • SUBFX
    Last March, I put a chunk of change into SUBFX. It's my largest bond fund (my other two are RSIVX and MAINX.) It's been disappointing, pretty much even, about 3% below its category average and about 4% below its benchmark according to M* since I bought it.
    That said, 15 months is a very short time on which to judge a fund, especially once whose past (before I bought it, alas) is so glorious. Its managers say they are not finding good values in the current market so are keeping a lot of cash and at least at times have been shorting Treasuries -- a bad bet, as it turns out.
    Should I give up on this fund, swap into RSIVX, which has been slow and steady, just as promised, or into ARTFX, a new small fund with a great experienced manager? Or should I sit tight and be pleased that even though SUBFX's big bet -- that rates would rise -- has been wrong, it's still managed to stay pretty much even? It is bad that they got this bet wrong so far, but good that their risk controls have kept them from suffering too much for it.
    A note: I don't keep a lot of cash in my portfolio, so I really want my bond funds to do well in a crash -- I don't want too much correlation with stocks.
  • Mom And Pop Pull Cash From U.S. Stocks
    FYI: Investors pulled a net $1.5 billion from traditional U.S. stock mutual funds in the four weeks ended June 25, according fund-tracker Lipper. In that time, the S&P 500 index advanced 2.6% and reached 10 new all-time highs
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/06/27/mom-pop-pull-cash-from-u-s-stocks/tab/print/
  • Can't Decide Where To Invest ? You're Not Alone
    FYI: Copy & Paste 6/25/14: Gail Marks Jarvis: Chicago Tribune
    Regards,
    Ted
    Pricey stocks, bonds have experts guessing too
    You are agonizing over where to invest your money, you aren't alone.
    The pros are there with you — nervous about stocks and bonds as clear opportunities become fuzzy in both. As the best and brightest fund managers talked at Morningstar's three-day conference in Chicago last week, they repeatedly expressed reservations.
    They see Treasury bonds vulnerable to the inevitable climb of interest rates, and corporate and high-yield bonds paying so little interest that there isn't enough insulation to protect investors if the economy suddenly weakens or if investors get cold feet. After the unrelenting climb of stocks since 2009, the pros see a stock market so pricey that stocks appear vulnerable to any bad news for the economy or companies.
    But the difference between you and professionals who run mutual funds is that fund managers are hired to do something with clients' money, no matter what. While sitting on cash rather than stocks or bonds might provide security in an iffy environment, cash earns no interest thanks to a Federal Reserve policy designed to get people to choose riskier options. Even though many pros say they are flummoxed by a market in which everything from stocks and bonds to currencies and commodities have all become pricey because of the trillions of dollars worth of stimulus poured into the markets by the Federal Reserve and counterparts in Europe and Japan, fund managers are doing what they think they must: deploying money where they can make a case for satisfactory results even though they expect high prices to hold back future gains.
    They are emboldened by the fact that prices are high — but not outrageously high.
    After all, even though pros have worried about bonds and pricey stocks for months, the Standard & Poor's 500 stock market index has managed to bestow gains of 5.5 percent this year while bonds haven't incurred the losses that pros thought were a sure thing earlier this year. There hasn't even been a correction (a short-term downturn of 10 percent in the stock market) for 32 months. Such a long stretch without a sizable dip in the markets has happened only four other times, according to Gluskin Sheff economist David Rosenberg.
    Still, bond fund managers Mark Egan, of Scout Investments, and Bill Eigen, of JPMorgan Asset Management, told a Morningstar audience of financial advisers that they are so concerned about the lack of opportunity in bonds that they have parked about 60 percent of their clients' money temporarily in cash. Pimco's Mohit Mittal has about 28 percent of his portfolio in cash.
    Cash will hold back bond fund gains if bonds continue to do well. But Eigen figures interest rates will eventually rise, investors will panic and try to bail out of bonds so quickly that bonds will suffer sharp losses. Then he plans to buy bargains.
    Fund managers typically avoid holding more than 5 percent cash because waiting for deals can take longer than expected, and investors get impatient when their mutual funds are earning less than other more daring funds.
    Considering the high prices of stocks, some fund managers who specialize in stocks also are holding substantially more cash than usual. Even those scouring the world for investments are having difficulty finding stocks cheap enough to buy.
    While some have suggested buying cheaper stocks in European markets, Ben Inker, director of asset allocation for GMO, is cautious about Europe.
    "You can find some cheap companies, but all of them have hair on them," he told the Morningstar audience of over 1,000 financial advisers. "Some places that aren't even cheap have hair on them."
    Since money managers must find something to buy, Treasury bonds that mature in five to seven years "are not a wonderful place to be, but are OK," he said.
    Meanwhile, Dennis Stattman, who heads BlackRock's asset allocation team, said stocks of large Japanese companies that sell to the world are significantly cheaper than U.S. companies. He's trimmed some exposure to U.S. stocks because they've become so pricey and added Japanese companies.
    While some investors have been interested in European financial companies that appear cheap, Stattman said "in many cases they are overlevered and in possession of bad assets."
    European stocks have climbed significantly simply because the "European Central Bank took off the table the fear of banks failing." But "governments have promised too much and taxed too little."
    Meanwhile, Michael Hasenstab, chief investment officer for Franklin Templeton global bonds, says two of his favorite markets for bonds have been Poland and Hungary, and he's comforted that the continuation of stimulus from the U.S. Federal Reserve and counterparts in Europe, Japan and China will power many emerging markets.
  • Seafarer Conference Call Today
    @Charles
    Glad you were able to enjoy the Coastal Trail on a balmy day. The last time I walked that beach, the wind almost ripped the clothes from my body! Where are you "camping"--- at Clint Eastwood's lodge? :)
    @David_Snowball
    I'll be looking forward to the prospectus changes Andrew Foster wants to make, as well as to the report of your visit with Bryan Krug at the M* conference (I have suspicions--- just a wild guess--- you are hoarding it for the monthly commentary).
    Good luck with The New You Plan, and stop being such a baby re. the legumes; if you treat them gently/respectfully, and don't overcook, then they're good to go:
    http://news.health.com/2014/06/09/are-you-eating-enough-powerhouse-vegetables/
    p.s. low salt diet is considered 1500 mg/day or less
  • Fidelity: A Secular Bull Market ? Video Presentation
    Well worth the 4 minutes 53 seconds it takes to watch this video. Who would have thought that the Fed engaged in quantitative easing in the past.......
  • Seafarer Conference Call Today
    @David_Snowball.
    Ha!
    Some MFO pair we make.
    We were camping in Monterey. You know, trying to be a little more like the Harbor Seals in this picture, which was taken while bike-riding along Bay Coastal Trail near Cannery Row...
    image
    Best I could do was Mr. Foster's briefing. Here's link to pdf:
    Seafarer Conference Call - 26Jun2014
    Let's trust others on the board called-in and will share some highlights or impressions.
  • The Closing Bell: U.S. Stocks End Higher
    @Charles Thanks, Chauncey G. For a rosier outlook, maybe I should be using whatever you're using; is it expensive? :)
    Come to think of it, the smoke tree sapling I've been pampering for 5 years finally took off this Spring. Maybe I'm mismeasuring the potential of the green shoots.
  • RSIVX vs ICMUX (short term high yield)
    Considering your other holdings, and your concerns re. safety, I think the RiverPark fund might be the better way to go, for several reasons:
    1. It would give you something you don't have;
    2. Sherman probably will keep the fund's duration lower than ICMYX will, over the long-term, simply because that's the way it is designed.
    @IChamp If you have a good base in those other 3 funds, adding either of these 2 should give you a pretty sweet mix for heading in to near-term concerns (3-5 yrs out); in the event fixed income would go ugly, you should be able to sleep with minimal anxiety. Nice.
  • The Closing Bell: U.S. Stocks End Higher
    Oh yes, those "lingering concerns" over economic growth. News flash: the second revision of Q1 GDP took the original, slightly positive number, down to almost -3%; because weather? The economy may be contracting. If Q2 is negative, the ghost will have been given up to a recessionary period, and we'll get the market contraction we've been waiting for.
    If ya want a more valid "lingering concern," how about looking at why U.S. stocks ended up higher today?
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-27/todays-wtf-moment-day-1550et
    Unrigged?
  • John Waggoner: Time to Sell Your Junk
    No need to get in a tizzy. Stay grounded, and let the price of things be your guide (not pundit hysteria, that is simply trying to get you to buy and sell and buy and sell).
    http://alephblog.com/2014/06/25/a-few-notes-on-bonds/
    @VintageFreak I see nothing wrong/imprudent with opening a small position in ARTFX. How often does one have an opportunity to invest with a Top-Tier manager (of any asset class), in the prime of his life, at the top of his game, in a new fund where he has a lot of latitude in deciding what he thinks needs to be done? The fact he is able to do this at such a classy fund family as Artisan is just icing on the cake. Also, Artisan allows one to initiate at practically nothing (actually, I think it may be zero, with an AIP) so very little capital needs to be put at risk, until better values appear. What's not to like?
  • RSIVX vs ICMUX (short term high yield)
    Sounds a bit like a mid-east marriage brokerage... how about $200k, 50 cows and I'll throw in a couple of Kalishnikovs...?
  • RSIVX vs ICMUX (short term high yield)
    Before you fall too much in love, be aware that ICMUX has an initial investment requirement at Schwab of $250K. Other broker/dealers may vary.
  • Paul Merriman: The One Asset Class Every Investor Needs
    >> 35 years is a long enough time to start to be statistically significant
    'start to be' --- now there's a stats assertion you don't read every day.
    Speaking of timespans, GPGOX and BRSIX do look interesting, and outperform WEMMX recently (only recently).
    Apologies if I misinferred.
  • Paul Merriman: The One Asset Class Every Investor Needs
    I do love theoretical argument, especially by academics, but hey, I have an idea instead:
    Go to M* 10k growth and chart VFINX, GABEX, GABSX, and WEMMX for 5-6-7-8-9-10y, and then max to 1998.
    Report what you see then and tell how it fits in with all these theories. (I chose the last three cuz it's the same guy and team, of course.)
    I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. My post was meant to be an anti-academic/theory one, or at least anti-bad-academics. I do love me some Robert Shiller. Paul Merriman and MJG are convinced by the Fama-French arguments. I am skeptical and tried to present the other side of that story.
    Comparing the 10-15 year returns of certain active funds with that of the S&P is a bit apples to oranges. I'm with you that active management provides downside protection and the possibility of better returns. But the question was "does SCV provide better returns?"
    Over the last 15 years, the answer has been yes. But look back to valuation levels in 1999. The nature of market-cap weighting meant the S&P was full of overvalued tech stocks waiting to crash, while small value stocks languished. Savvy, patient managers were able to provide great returns when that bubble broke. But those conditions do not exist today. As an example, look at the returns of $10,000.00 for VFINX ($136,691.30 or 19.05%) vs. NAESX ($48,688.57 or 11.13%) over the previous 15 years, 6/26/1984 - 6/26/1999. Incidentally, the Tech and Japan Bubbles are my arguments #1 and #2 against market-cap indices.
    That's why I gave 35 year returns of four distinct equity areas. 1979 was chosen for three reasons: First, 35 years is a long enough time to start to be statistically significant; second, 35 years is a fair approximation of the horizon of a retirement savings plan; Third, the evidence that small-cap stocks outperform was taken from the Rolf Banz 1979 paper using data from 1936-1975.
    Over the past 35 years, the returns were:
    VFINX = 11.66%
    NAESX = 11.37%
    M*'s LCV tracker = 11.21%
    M*'s SCV tracker - 11.98%
    Banz's paper was subject to later revision when people realized he hadn't accounted for survivorship bias. But that didn't stop Fama and French from harping on about the size premium, and how you get compensated for increased risk. And now they've gone back and admitted they just kind of made that up, but, hey, here's a whole new model!
  • Way To Go, Girl ! Kathleen Gaffney At $1 Billion Tops Bond World
    FYI: Kathleen Gaffney spent 15 years as understudy to star bond manager Dan Fuss at Loomis Sayles & Co. A year-and-a-half after starting her own fund, she’s beating her old boss and the rest of the bond world.
    Gaffney’s Eaton Vance Bond Fund, which opened three months after she left Loomis Sayles in October 2012, returned 19 percent over the past year, better than 99 percent of peers, according to data from Morningstar Inc
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2014-06-26/gaffney-at-1-billion-tops-bond-world-after-leaving-fuss.html
    M* Snapshot Of EVBAX: http://quotes.morningstar.com/fund/evbax/f?t=evbax