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  • Buy -- Sell -- Ponder -- January 2018
    Intend on selling OSTIX in my taxable account as I'm trying to lower my tax bill in 2018. It's a good fund but should be used in a retirement account, IMO. Not particularly tax efficient. I own enough high yield stuff anyway.
  • DSENX December dividends question
    Even if the dividend were payable in January, so long as it was payable to shareholders of record in Oct, Nov, or Dec, it would be taxable in 2017. See Pub 550.
    https://taxmap.irs.gov/taxmap/pubs/p550-006.htm#en_us_publink100010073
  • Buy -- Sell -- Ponder -- January 2018
    Going into the New Year I hold 4 bond funds - emerging markets, world, high yield corporate, and bank loan. Plan on adding a multi sector tomorrow and possibly a high yield muni. Hold too large an amount in cash and hope to deploy much of that over the next week or two. Hopefully by then will hold just one or two of the bond funds depending on where the strength is in Bondland. Assuming there is any strength. I am completely out of IOFIX as it no longer meets my criteria.
    For numerous reasons, this year my main goal is to transfer all my monies to Fidelity. Another goal is to get even more fit and healthy. I don’t see the point of accumulating wealth if you can’t enjoy it by being both physically and mentally active. At my age I could go at anytime so want to hike and explore as much as possible while I am still here and able. Good luck to all in 2018!
  • DSENX December dividends question
    The payable date for DSENX is 12/29 so it doesn't matter when a broker gets around to posting it or anything else, its taxable in 2017 and it should/will be included on the 2017 1099. If a broker does things correctly it should be included on your year-end statement and any year-end summary they do but not all brokers, including one of mine, are able to make that happen.
  • DSENX December dividends question
    If by "accounting" you mean tax purposes, the dividends belong to 2017 and will appear on your 2017 1099-DIV forms.
    Year end summaries usually include dividends with pay dates before the end of the year. (I checked one of my 2016 YE statements to confirm that my brokerage does this.)
  • Buy -- Sell -- Ponder -- January 2018
    Hi guys!
    Hope all is well with all of you. I know it's been good here.....too much food followed by too many longnecks with family and friends. Moe and Larry were over.....big pow wow again. We all agree. We believe we're going higher this year. Just to catch up: opened positions in FLPSX and MAPIX. My midcaps were expensive on PE and book. FLPSX, not so, plus it had cash, so how could I not. MAPIX has very little Asia except Japan. Got lots there, so I needed this.
    Anyways, back to the pow wow. We were kicking around some small funds. The Dukester really liked PREOX. Why? It's small......real small. We believe things will be getting better this year. So I can see his point. Small is good right now. Me? I like PVIVX. Why? It's concentrated and it's got some girls running it.....think diversification.....yee haw!!!! Moe and Larry? They like WAMVX. Can't blame them for that. It's the safe buy.
    Talked to Santa after Duke cornered him....short chat, but we told Santa we believe. He just smiled, so I think he does, too. So, even though I don't make millions of dollars, my call: higher boys! Also, if you're thinking about Latin America this year, more elections there than in the last 10 years. Just saying......
    Also, watch Italy this year if you own GLFOX. Elections also there.
    Also, the slowest 3 months for imports are coming: January, February, March. We will now see what the weather did in 2017.
    Also, the Dukester told me we did not wish anyone on the board a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! As punishment for this, I will penalize myself 1 (one) longneck every day for the rest of the week, and.....say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
    God bless
    the Pudd
  • Does a Reversion To The Mean Follow Big Up Years?
    Let me suggest one other way of thinking about this ...
    Suppose the market always returns -10%, 0%, 10%, 20%, or 30%, each 1/5 of the time. So on average, the market returns 10%.
    If the market is truly random like the toss of a die, then each year the market is just as likely to return -10% as 10% or 30%, regardless of this year's performance. If this year returned 30%, then there's a 3/5 chance (0%, 10%, 20%) that next year's returns will be closer to the mean (10%).. That's regression toward the mean from an extremely good (or bad) year.
    Still, no reason to sell just because you had a good year.
    It's like saying that a hot hand will cool off. Of course it will, because it's got no place to go but down. But you don't know when that will happen, and when it does, it's just as likely to be a very good (but not great) year as it is likely to be a bad one.
    That's the simple math of random selection. In reality, the market has causes and effects, even if in the aggregate the numbers come out looking random. One may be thinking of those other factors when investing. Business cycles tend to have cycles (though of seemingly random duration and magnitude). Other investors may be acting irrationally (e.g bubbles, gambler's fallacy, etc.).
    Investors may also be acting rationally in choosing suboptimal strategies. Taking money off the table if you are satisfied with your winnings is not optimal (from a purely monetary perspective), because over time market returns are positive. But you may be happier with what you have and with avoiding ulcers than with making more money in the long term.
    This brings us full circle to the hot hand. It's more likely for one to be content with one's winnings after a big win. So the inclination to reduce exposure after a good year is understandable and reasonable. Just not on the basis of law of averages, mean regression, etc.
  • DSENX December dividends question
    On 12/29 DSENX paid December dividends that will be posted on investors' accounts in 3-5 business days. December brokerage statement does not show these dividends. Do these dividends belong to 2017 or 2018 for accounting purposes and will 2017 year-end summary include them?
  • In 2017, Anywhere Investors Threw Money It Multiplied
    I just checked BEARX for comparison. Somewhat worse than HSGFX - down about 15% yearly for 5 years. There’s a lesson here. Damn tough trying to call the markets.
    Best lesson for me was buying 1 K’s worth of gold coins in the late 70s during all the hype. And than adding to that as the metal slowly declined from $800 to $400-$500 over the next decade. Just when you thought it couldn’t possibly go any lower it would fall again. Cost me a bit, but one of the best investing lessons I ever had.
    I don’t see that experience as limited to gold. Any market can blindside & confound you. They can absolutely defy every ounce of logic you possess.
  • In 2017, Anywhere Investors Threw Money It Multiplied
    I was just looking at the Hussman website for more information. The 10-year average annual return for HSGFX: -6.77 %
  • Emerging Markets: Growing In Maturity?
    FYI: The MSCI Emerging Markets stock index is turning 30: This key benchmark for investors launched in mid-1988 but has data going back to Dec. 31, 1987, making the new year a birthday landmark.
    Happy New Year,
    Ted
    http://www.cetusnews.com/life/Emerging-Markets--Growing-in-Maturity--.r1fJWtbmG.html
    GMO's Jeremy Grantham:
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/brave-asset-managers-must-invest-in-emerging-markets-gmos-grantham-2017-12-20/print
    Don’t Expect Plain Sailing For Emerging Markets In 2018:
    http://www.cetusnews.com/life/Don’t-Expect-Plain-Sailing-For-Emerging-Markets-in-2018.BJUYUzkmf.html
    IShares Website EEM:
    https://www.ishares.com/us/products/239637/ishares-msci-emerging-markets-etf
    M* Snapshot EEM:
    http://www.morningstar.com/etfs/arcx/eem/quote.html
  • In 2017, Anywhere Investors Threw Money It Multiplied
    "FYI: Investors weren't challenged to make money in 2017. It was almost impossible to lose it."
    Nevertheless, HSGFX persisted in keeping their losing streak alive. What is that like 8-9 years running now? Rockstar!
  • In 2017, Anywhere Investors Threw Money It Multiplied
    Be fruitful and multiply?
    Then God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth and govern it. Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that scurry along the ground.”
    Genesis 1 - http://biblehub.com/nlt/genesis/1.htm
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    To the blurb @Ted quotes - Interest rates inched higher during the second half of ‘17 - especially at the short end. Reading the current issue of Barron’s there’s some discussion (somewhere) to the point that the Treasury will need to borrow a lot more in ‘18 and that that may pressure rates higher on the long end.
    Last spring there was a hypothetical post regarding where to invest $100,000 for 6 months. I took the bait and mentioned how I’d recently invested $10,000 in a short/intermediate muni fund, expecting to cash out in November. Actually, that money’s still invested but will be needed soon. I’ll share the results of that experiment after cashing out. Suffice it to say the investment is slightly under water, as the short end got rocked.
  • In 2017, Anywhere Investors Threw Money It Multiplied
    FYI: Investors weren't challenged to make money in 2017. It was almost impossible to lose it.
    The trading year that ended Friday was remarkable for the breadth of positive returns. Nearly every major category of investments — including U.S. stocks and bonds, foreign stocks and bonds, real estate and gold — finished the year in the black.
    That would be unusual on its own, but was more so because it happened in a year when the Federal Reserve was pushing short-term interest rates up. Rising rates can be poisonous for investments across the board. But not in 2017.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-wrap-up-20171230-htmlstory.html
  • Does a Reversion To The Mean Follow Big Up Years?
    MJG's graph (from here, among other places) supports the thesis that mean reversion (in the literal mathematical sense) does hold in the investing world.
    The first sentence is almost right: "A reversion to the mean has to happen after a particularly outlander." Mean reversion says simply that for a sequence of random numbers, the further away from the mean the current value is the more likely the next value is to be closer to the mean. More likely, but it does not "have to happen."
    This is one of those self evident statements when you think about it. Suppose we've got something with a normal probability distribution (bell curve) centered at zero (mean). The probability of the next value being above zero is 50%, and below zero is 50%.
    The probability of the next value being below 1 is higher than 50% (since 50% will fall below zero, let alone 1). The probability of the next value being below 10 is even higher; the probability of the next value being below 20 is higher still. The further away from the mean, the higher the probability that the next value will be closer. Duh!
    (Technically, I'm illustrating something slightly different from mean reversion, but it's close enough to convey the concept.)
    In order for this "rule" to be valid, we have to be observing something random. That's what gives us the bell curve. MJG's graph purports to show that next year's returns are indeed random (zero correlation with the previous five years' performance). So rather than showing lack of mean reversion, the graph suggests the opposite - that the yearly returns are random - a necessary condition for mean reversion.
    The reason why I said "purport" is that the graph is not showing the correlation between the current year's return and the next year's. (Rather it shows the lack of correlation between the past five years' cumulative performance and the next year's.) The original article looks at next year's performance in comparison with the current year's performance (not prior five year's total).
    Looking at performance following 20%+ years, the data evinces mean reversion. The subsequent years averaged a return that was about the same as the market long term average of 11.4% between 1928 and 2015. That suggests that next year performance of these years was random. Further, in these years immediately following 20% gains, the market went up roughly the same percentage of the time (69%) as the market did over all years (72%). So it looks like the randomness requirement for mean reversion is not violated.
    More important, for most of these outlier years (20%+ returns), the next year's returns were closer to the mean. The exceptions were:
    1936 (1937 returned less, but further away from the mean of 12%),
    1942 (higher in 1943),
    1961 (1962 returned less, but further away from the mean),
    1976 (1977 less but further from mean),
    1982 (1983 slightly higher),
    1996 (1997 higher),
    1999 (2000 less but further from mean),
    That means that 25 of 32 years following 20%+ returns were closer to the mean than the years they followed. That is, there was mean reversion. It happens most of the time, but not always. And 20% isn't even that much of an outlier - less than one standard deviation (19.7%) from the mean (11.4%).
  • Does a Reversion To The Mean Follow Big Up Years?
    Remarks by John C. Bogle http://vanguard.com/bogle_site/lib/sp19980129.html
    The title of my remarks is "Reversion to the Mean." This theme may at first blush seem a bit dry and uninspiring. But I assure you that it is anything but that. For I suggest to you that RTM is a rule of life in the world of investing—in the relative returns of equity mutual funds, in the relative returns of a whole range of stock market sectors, and, over the long-term, in the absolute returns earned by common stocks as a group. RTM represents the operation of a kind of "law of gravity" in the stock market, through which returns mysteriously seem to be drawn to norms of one kind or another over time ...
    In periods as short as one year, many mutual funds—especially small, aggressive ones—can and do defy these odds. And in some decade-long periods, perhaps one out of five funds succeeds in doing so by a material amount. But in the very long run, there is a profound tendency for the returns of high-performing funds to come down to earth, and, just as inevitably, for the returns of low-performing funds to come "up to earth," as it were. Indeed, ... the distance traveled in the course of these descents and ascents is directly proportional to the earlier distance above or below the market's return. In short: reversion to the market mean is the dominant factor in long-term mutual fund returns.
  • IBD: How Did Mutual Funds Perform In 2017?: (QSTFX)
    The "STF" part of the name stand for "Self-Adjusting Trend Following." As I understand it, they look at several moving averages to determine: sideways market (out of the market), regular up trend (100% long QQQ), strong up trend (200% long QQQ), or down trend (100% short QQQ). Had a great year in 2017. Underperformed in 2016.
  • Why Bonds Had A Great Year For Doing Nothing
    @MFO Members: The article was about treasury bonds ! The average Intermediate Government Bond Fund returned 1.53% in 2017
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-30/peculiar-year-for-markets-defied-almost-everyone-s-expectations
  • Why Bonds Had A Great Year For Doing Nothing
    As we all know, the only bonds on the planet are 10y sovereigns.
  • Why Bonds Had A Great Year For Doing Nothing
    I'll take this kind of doing nothing any time, any year, any where:
    PCI - 21.37% total return YTD
    PDI - 19.17%
    PFL - 21.61%
    PFN - 20.87%
    PTY - 27.30%
    All return figures cited courtesy of M*