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  • Why buy bonds, and a few short lists
    @msf: I concur with your reply to my question. When the Nav dropped from $10 to $9.75 I thought they let to much new money in & found fewer & less stable bonds to purchase.
    Thanks Derf
  • Bespoke: Another 1,000 Point Dow Threshold Bites The Dust
    FYI: While all the attention shifted towards bitcoin and the pace with which it traded up through different 1,000 point price levels, the DJIA just reminded investors that it too has been on quite a run. With the index on pace to close above 24,000 for the first time today, that now makes it six 1,000 point thresholds that the DJIA has crossed for the first time since last November’s Election.
    The table below lists the first day that the DJIA closed above each 1,000 point threshold beginning with 1,000 way back in 1972. Obviously, the higher the index goes, the less of a percentage move each successive threshold becomes, but the recent pace has still been quick. Even more impressive is the fact that for each of the recent thresholds the DJIA has crossed, it hasn’t dipped back below very often. In fact, since last November’s election, no single 1,000 point threshold has been crossed (on a closing basis) up or down more than five times.
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://www.bespokepremium.com/think-big-blog/another-1000-point-dow-threshold-bites-the-dust/
  • DoubleLine Fund Doubles The Returns Of Rivals By Uncovering A Curious Strategy: (DSENX)
    Couldn't resist the visual look to satisfy my curious brain. I also have been watching as to or if the "value" area is going to receive a more aggressive bump up.....and there is a bit here now.
    Nov. 2013 to date:
    http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf.php?DSEEX,CAPE,JKF,JKE&n=1023&O=011000
    Last 6 months to date:
    http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf.php?DSEEX,CAPE,JKF,JKE&p=3&O=011000
  • DoubleLine Fund Doubles The Returns Of Rivals By Uncovering A Curious Strategy: (DSENX)
    Interesting. If you graph CAPE $10k growth over 4/3/2/1y/ytd you could argue CAPE tracks JKF (meaning its wiggles) rather more closely than JKE --- except for the last year, when CAPE has moved more like JKE. Fwiw.
  • DoubleLine Fund Doubles The Returns Of Rivals By Uncovering A Curious Strategy: (DSENX)
    @LLJB - nice description. I agree that the writer probably doesn't understand the fund or the index. I suspect that cause of the mischaracterization can be laid at M*'s feet. They're the ones classifying this fund (and the CAPE ETN) as LCV.
    There's another part of the description that's wrong, though it seems almost everyone gets that wrong. The CAPE index does not pick among the 10 S&P sectors. For one thing, the index added real estate, which is not an S&P sector, but (per prospectus) comes the Dow Jones U.S. Real Estate Index.
    There are 10 S&P sectors, so that would seem to add up to a pool of 11 sectors. But the index combines two S&P sectors (technology and telecom) into one.
    Here's a table of those 10 "real" S&P sectors along with dated info on their CAPE ratios.
    http://siblisresearch.com/data/cape-ratios-by-sector/
  • DoubleLine Fund Doubles The Returns Of Rivals By Uncovering A Curious Strategy: (DSENX)
    Another guy writing stuff that's misleading, probably because he doesn't understand it. Do an instant X-ray on the 4 sector etfs in the fund and you'll find out it is NOT a value fund. I haven't tried to test that over its entire history but I'd be surprised if it's ever been a value fund based on M*'s definitions and how other funds are classified. When I've done that in the past it has always ended up as a growth fund or a blend fund close to the border with growth. People naturally think investing in the 4 lowest CAPE sectors (excluding whichever one of the "cheapest" 5 has the worst momentum) is a value approach and maybe it is, but that's not what this fund is doing. It's investing in 4 of the cheapest 5 based on the CAPE ratio relative to it's own history. So if technology has traded at an average CAPE ratio of 400 over the last 10 or 20 years (sorry, can't remember the precise details) and its only trading at a CAPE ratio of 300 today while Energy is trading at 25 today but has historically traded at 20, then technology is the "cheaper" sector in ranking terms for determining the funds investments.
    The approach has worked very well and may continue to work but it has not led to a "value" portfolio based on the definitions M* uses to categorize other funds, it's not necessarily invested in sectors with the lowest traditional CAPE value and it's the traditional CAPE value that has proven more predictive of future (long-term) performance than most other things.
    Outperforming value funds when it has "growth" investments is meaningless even if people keep writing about the fund that way. Buyer beware!! For transparency sake I do own the fund and I like it. I just don't appreciate the way it tends to be written about because I think it's likely to make people believe they're getting something that they really aren't.
  • A Bond Fund To Be Thankful For: (DODIX)
    2017, huh. The last two are even higher than ML. I specifically asked them (special contacts in hnw group blah blah) at the start of last summer about moving all ML assets to Fidelity, and then asked about reward for not moving Fido assets to ML, and in each case the response was nada.
  • Investors Are Piling Into This Hot Real Estate ETF
    Hi @bee
    The last chart shows that RE funds do react to a change in yield of the 30 year bond and perhaps to the 10 year, too.
    So, are the active managed funds managers "twitching" to changes in interest rates; and if so, only from a technical standpoint?
    How much of any change in price for RE funds is triggered from just a few managers or some other large, unknown investor(s) sell/buy that trips the pricing of all equity within these funds?
    I have not checked recently, but I am sure there is a very large overlap of the same equity companies (the top 10 holdings) that are held by many RE funds. A large sell or buy from a few RE fund managers would automatically drive the prices down for other funds holding the same equity(s), yes?
    As to etf's in the RE space. Are their prices not driven by what are the results of the managed RE funds?
    Needless to say, the RE fund area is very complex.....
    --- interest rate sensitive
    --- type of fund holdings (storage units, old developed malls, etc.)
    --- fund management abilities and their LUCK of choices
    For me, I attempt to do fundamental and technical processes. Nothing hard core for the most part; but to stay informed/observe interest rates and some implied trends in real estate sectors......a kinda, storage units are still being build in my part of Michigan; but retail malls everywhere are having problems. One could invest directly into the RE stocks, but I'm too short of time these days for this adventure.
    The technical side: This is where the charts help melt overall thinking into this area, as well as other investments. The relative strength and 50, 100 and 200 days movements. For the most part, these would have to have solid directions and indicators for a sell or buy. The longer this equity bull market runs, one may find it easier or harder to sell. This, to me; is based more on how long an investment has been in place. I really don't want to give up FRIFX at this time; but if the technicals started to show trouble with the numbers, than away it would travel.
    I have not stated much of value, IMHO.
    Have you a "feeling" about this sector; and/or observations?
    Take care,
    Catch
  • Fidelity Outage Sidelines Retail Customers, But Advisers Not Affected
    FYI: (Click On Article Title At Top Of Google Search)
    Millions of Fidelity Investment's retail customers were unable to access their online accounts on Wednesday morning due to an internal technical error, according to CNBC and other news outlets, but the outage did not appear to affect advisers using the firm's institutional online trading and wealth management platform, WealthScape.
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=BM4fWqKGJsnF_QawxYywBA&q=Fidelity+outage+sidelines+retail+customers,+but+advisers+not+affected&oq=Fidelity+outage+sidelines+retail+customers,+but+advisers+not+affected&gs_l=psy-ab.3...3625.3625.0.5284.3.2.0.0.0.0.77.77.1.2.0....0...1c.2.64.psy-ab..1.1.83.6..35i39k1.83.k8NRAZNeTR4
  • A Bond Fund To Be Thankful For: (DODIX)
    ">> As I've posted before, the fact that Fidelity does not currently have a cash offer on the table does not mean that it has not done so in the past or will not do so again in the future.
    Cool. Not in the 45y I have been with them, I think, but I know you will find the truth
    ."
    See link embedded in the quoted post (only in original, not quoted version):
    http://www.mymoneyblog.com/fidelity-brokerage-ira-transfer-bonuses.html
    Bonus amount: $200 for $50k+, $300 for $100k+, $600 for $250k+, $1,200 for $500k+, and $2,500 for $1M+ net new assets.
    I've since found a better link that describes the same (now expired) 2017 offer as well as what the page correctly characterizes as a unique offer by Fidelity - to match your IRA contributions (in the 401k percentage sense, not dollar for dollar) for three years. Both were 2017 promotions.
    https://investorjunkie.com/11001/fidelity-promotions/
  • Why buy bonds, and a few short lists
    Much of what the fund does is buy "remnants", bonds with a few weeks of life left. It's something like picking up coins on the sidewalk - it's free money, but there's just so much and it's time consuming to fetch.
    That makes this, as Prof. Snowball wrote, a niche market. You don't get large competitors moving in because it isn't worth their while. But you also aren't seeing boutique competitors entering the market.
    With a supply that small, one expects increasing demand (even if it comes just from RiverPark) to diminish the value of what it can find. To continue my analogy, it's like having a few nickels and pennies lying around. After picking up the nickels, there's still free money, but the effort to fetch additional coins now gets you less than before.
    If you run around faster (more investors) trying to pick up the nickels, you'll just exhaust the nickels. The process doesn't scale - at any moment there are just so many nickels (bonds) to go around.
    The problem here is not that a specific fund will get too large, but that the market demand as a whole will get too large and returns will suffer. It may still be positive (pennies to fetch), but perhaps no longer worth the risk.
  • Bitcoin Slumps Just Hours After Topping $11,000 Milestone

    This chart from today's WSJ article on the bitcoin mania is truly staggering...
    image
    Full article (paywalled unless you know how)
    Bitcoin Mania: Even Grandma Wants In on the Action
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/bitcoin-mania-even-grandma-wants-in-on-the-action-1511996653
  • Dukester's Fund Corner III
    MM,
    It was and is my thinking too, to an extent, but DLEUX has not done as well as hoped (he said to the fates). Its performance (which is effectively ytd) notably lags OAKIX and FOSFX (yes, they have nontrivial slugs elsewhere, esp Fido's). I am not going to bail without assessing for another year at least; just an fyi. I ditched OAKIX because Hero is such a warming denialist, but I would jump back into FOSFX in a jiffy in 2019 if DLEUX simply still does not add value. Or by then I might just revert to DSEEX, thinking more like Waggoner about foreign investing.
  • Why buy bonds, and a few short lists
    Short lists and explanations in 2nd half below.
    I invest for total return, not income. That leads to the question I keep asking myself, so why invest in bonds at all, when equity does better over the long term?
    One reason is diversification - one never knows what will do better from one year to the next. Using bonds for this purpose is a bit like buying insurance. It costs you money (bonds won't do as well long term), but it provides protection against short term drops in the worst case.
    I buy that, but only to a limited degree. So I'll use more aggressively managed bond funds that include areas like high yield that are more equity-like. (That is, I favor core plus and multisector over vanilla core funds.) I'm not giving up quite as much in return, but I'm also not getting quite the diversification benefit that a vanilla fund would provide. It's how I choose to position myself on the risk/reward curve. Each person has his or her own comfort level.
    With that same nod to aggressiveness, I also use bond funds as cash alternatives. Obviously this is a different type of bond fund from those used for total return.
    General attributes I would like the funds to have :
    - Low costs. Really important in bond funds, where correlation between performance and cost is high.
    - Convenience, but I'll only pay a little for that. I've no problem paying $5 to Fidelity to buy more of a TF fund. On a $5K purchase, that comes out to 0.1%, often less than the cost of owning a different fund that's NTF, especially over longer periods of time.
    Personal dislikes:
    - Leverage. I'm fine with 100% exposure to risk with my investment. Don't give me 150% risk exposure.
    - MBS. The fact that there are several pricing models shows that these are hard to value. More important is that with their built in call options (early payoffs), they behave badly when yields shift quickly. A rise in rates causes borrowers to hold on to their mortgages, thus increasing duration and amplifying the drop in bond price. (Negative convexity.) A side effect is that duration numbers for these securities can be deceptive. They're good diversifiers in a broad bond fund; I just don't want a fund hooked on them.
    Macro observation: I almost never time markets. But one must pay attention to the fact that we've had a 35-40 year decline in interest rates that has begun to reverse. IMHO the question is how fast and how far that will go, but not if. This makes it important to watch how interest rate risk is handled.
    =============
    Core plus funds (nothing without some blemishes):
    - BCOIX - good performance, low cost. Flexible with credit risk (i.e. it's core plus), it can't do much about duration. "The Advisor attempts to keep the duration of the Fund’s portfolio substantially equal to that of its benchmark."
    - MWTRX - you used to be able to get MWTIX with a $25K min at Schwab. Now it's $100K. Retail class is slightly pricey. Years ago, managers contrasted their fund with Pimco Total Return by saying that they had the luxury of focusing on issue selection, while Gross was limited to macro calls due to the size of his fund. Now MWTRX is bloated and performance has declined over the past three years. Still fine management.
    - DODIX - cheap, good performance, flexible on credit risk, defensive on interest rate risk. All positive. Not a fund I would have thought of as core plus (my impression was more vanilla), but upon closer look has a nice mix of securities. Main concern is its increasing popularity and girth.
    - WCPNX - just started looking at this (see MFO thread for others' thoughts). Slightly pricey (0.61%), but FWIW, NTF. More importantly, I was impressed a few years ago (last time I looked) with Weitz Short-Intermediate (now Weitz Short Duration) fund WEFIX. Same managers here. I also like that this fund has a somewhat short duration. Needs more research.
    - EIBAX - Gaffney's been there for 2.5 years. She didn't do well at her first EV charge EVBIX. Perhaps she was trying too hard to prove herself, but she got overly aggressive, loading up with equities and commodities. This is a tamer fund, though still wild. Hard to even call it a core plus, given that it's allowed 35% in junk and 35% in foreign. That describes a multi-sector fund, leading us to ...
    Multi-sector funds (the usual suspects) - used for manager-allocated exposure to junk and foreign bonds.
    - PIMIX - sharp manager, great past performance, but with qualifications I've already noted, like leverage and a fondness for MBS. Also, what happened to all the voices who seem to cry out "mean reversion"? (Here though, there are specific market conditions that one can point to that suggest lower returns going forward.)
    - LSBDX - a manager who claims experience in investing the last time interest rates rose; that raises succession as a concern. Ridiculously volatile, but acceptable to me for something this far out on the portfolio risk curve (aggressive multisector). I like that it has shortened its duration. A quirk in its prospectus allows unlimited Canadian investment, perhaps a way to increase non-dollar exposure without going overseas.
    - FSICX - an easy buy if you use Fidelity, else costly. Generally solid fund.
    "Enhanced cash"-ish bond funds - used as buffer for equity investments (to draw from when funds have dropped in value)
    Muni funds - you need to go out at least a couple of years in duration to get yields high enough to justify skipping the bank account.
    - BTMIX - a young fund, but with a solid management team that's been around a long time
    - VMLTX - Vanguard = low cost, conservative management
    Taxable funds
    - RPHYX - pricey, but with a unique strategy that keeps it sufficiently ahead of banks to justify the risk. I still don't think it scales, so it is good that this is closed.
    - FPNIX - I've followed this since the Rodriguez days, when you couldn't get it without a load. Now you can, but Atteberry may have tamed the fund a bit too much. Where else do you find interest only derivatives used so extensively for defensive purposes? That dates back to Rodriguez.
  • A Bond Fund To Be Thankful For: (DODIX)
    " - And yes, I have reported (my "technique") that one who purchases DoubleLine NTF / higher-ER class shares at Fido can get them reclassified for free at DoubleLine to the lower-ER class once above a certain $ amount.
    - This last procedure has nothing to do with anything else.
    "
    You do sound emphatic that this has nothing to do with anything else, including BCOIX.
    "And yes, I am saying that Fido says one cannot buy BCOIX for other than a $50 TF, and moreover with a 25k min except for self retirement accounts, where the min is $500. "
    I'll admit that I haven't asked Fidelity about this Baird fund specifically, but I have verified in the past that they'll let you convert Baird funds with no TF.
    "As for transferring TF fund shares from one brokerage to another, I don't know much about that, never having bought (rightly or wrongly) TF fund shares. I don't know anything about other ways to escape TFs. I think someone here posted that the receiving brokerage sometimes pays one's fees of that sort. Certainly some give plain bonuses for transferring, though not Fidelity except in the form of lower-commission or some free trades. ML otoh pays serious moneys for transferring, depending on amounts"
    As I've posted before, the fact that Fidelity does not currently have a cash offer on the table does not mean that it has not done so in the past or will not do so again in the future.
    I have had positions in TF funds at Fidelity that I opened at no cost at another brokerage. When I closed that other account, I moved all the positions in kind to Fidelity. In fact, I opened a half dozen funds for free specifically to create open positions at Fidelity should I later choose to invest more than a small amount in them. Of course they were carefully selected funds; I wasn't going to open up dozens of junk funds "just in case".
    I've also opened funds directly with the distributor when they were closed at brokerages, for the sole purpose of transferring them to my brokerage account. That can often be an easier process than going through a brokerage.
    It's not that I'm insensitive to cost. It's that I'm willing to put in little sweat equity to get something that's both cheap and ultimately convenient. I'm also willing to pay a few bucks for convenience, but not much. Certainly not $75 - I'll do that to get cheaper shares (institutional TF vs. 12b-1 NTF); I won't pay $75 for convenience alone.
    Everyone has their own threshold. Yours sounds like $0. But just in case it's a little higher, you might want to check out your ML account's fee schedule for purchases and transfers. Just follow this link (you'll have to log in):
    https://olui2.fs.ml.com/RelationshipPricing/CommissionsAndFees.aspx
  • Dukester's Fund Corner III
    Hi @Puddnhead, If you are referring to Eric Cinnamond, I believe he was part of the ICMBX team but I don't think he was ever the lead manager. I could be wrong. I think he was lead manager for Intrepid's small cap fund. You know, I was in his River Road small cap fund when it opened when he went out on his own. It really wasn't his deep value theme that turned me away. It was his persistence to be heavy in mining companies and energy when those sectors were collapsing. I believe he succumbed to the term "value trap", which to me is a sin for a mutual fund manager. In any case, below is what I found from M* in a Google search for "ICMBX Cinnamond".
    Eric K. Cinnamond
    01/28/2010 — 09/02/2010: Mr. Cinnamond serves as Portfolio Manager for River Road’s Independent Value Portfolio. Prior to joining River Road in 2010, Mr. Cinnamond served as Lead Portfolio Manager of Intrepid Capital Management’s small cap strategy, Co-Portfolio Manager and Analyst at Evergreen Asset Management, and Portfolio Manager at First Union National Bank of Florida. Mr. Cinnamond holds a B.B.A. in Finance from Stetson University and an M.B.A. from the University of Florida. He earned the Chartered Financial Analyst® designation in 1996 and is a member of the CFA Institute.
  • Bitcoin Slumps Just Hours After Topping $11,000 Milestone
    Aw shoot. I was hoping to pick up a couple hundred at $11.5K but I don't want them cheap ones.
  • JPMorgan Tax Aware Income Opportunities Fund reorganized
    updated:
    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1217286/000119312517355827/d450598d497.htm
    497 1 d450598d497.htm 497 TRUST I
    JPMORGAN TRUST I
    JPMorgan Tax Aware Income Opportunities Fund
    (All Share Classes)
    JPMORGAN TRUST II
    JPMorgan Tax Free Bond Fund
    (All Share Classes)
    Supplement dated November 29, 2017
    to the Summary Prospectuses, Prospectuses and
    Statements of Additional Information dated July 1, 2017, as supplemented
    Merger Proposal
    At a meeting held on November 15, 2017, the Board of Trustees of JPMorgan Trust I (“Trust I”), on behalf of JPMorgan Tax Aware Income Opportunities Fund (the “Acquired Fund”), and the Board of Trustees of JPMorgan Trust II (“Trust II”), on behalf of JPMorgan Tax Free Bond Fund (the “Acquiring Fund” and together with the Acquired Fund, the “Funds”), approved the merger of the Acquired Fund with and into the Acquiring Fund. The merger will only be completed if approved by the Acquired Fund’s shareholders. This merger was recommended by the Funds’ adviser, J.P. Morgan Investment Management, Inc. (“JPMIM”), based on the belief that the Acquired Fund has limited opportunities for future growth and, as a result, the proposed merger has the potential to take advantage of operational and administrative efficiencies that may result from the reorganization of the Acquired Fund with and into the Acquiring Fund. After determining that (1) participation in the merger is in the best interests of the Funds and (2) the interests of each Fund’s existing shareholders would not be diluted as a result of the merger, each Board of Trustees approved the merger.
    Operating expenses vary between the Funds and distribution and service fees differ among share classes. In connection with the proposed merger, JPMIM and JPMorgan Distribution Services, Inc. (“JPMDS”), the distributor for the Acquired Fund and the Acquiring Fund, have contractually agreed to waive their fees and/or reimburse the expenses of the Acquiring Fund, as needed, in order to maintain the total annual fund operating expenses after fee waivers and expense reimbursements (excluding acquired fund fees and expenses other than certain money market fund fees, dividend and interest expenses related to short sales, interest, taxes, expenses related to litigation and potential litigation, and extraordinary expenses) of each class of shares of the Acquiring Fund at or below the level in effect immediately prior to the merger for the corresponding class of shares of the Acquired Fund. These contractual fee waivers and/or reimbursements will stay in effect until May 4, 2019 for the Acquiring Fund. There is no guarantee that such waivers and/or reimbursements will be continued after May 4, 2019. The expenses of the Acquiring Fund’s classes may be higher than disclosed if the expense limitation expires after May 4, 2019.
    It is anticipated that the merger will qualify as a tax-free reorganization for federal income tax purposes. Prior to Closing, any net investment income and/or net realized capital gains will be distributed to shareholders of the Acquired Fund and may be distributed to shareholders of the Acquiring Fund in order to seek to avoid any negative tax impact to any of the Funds’ shareholders as a result of the reorganization.
    Completion of the merger is subject to a number of conditions, including approval by the shareholders of the Acquired Fund. The merger is not contingent upon the approval of any other merger of JPMorgan Funds. Shareholder approval will be sought at a special meeting of shareholders expected to be held on or about March 28, 2018. If you own shares of the Acquired Fund as of the record date for the special meeting for shareholders, you will receive (i) a Proxy Statement/Prospectus describing in detail both the proposed merger and the Acquiring Fund (including, among other things, any differences in strategies, risks and fees between the Acquiring Fund and the Acquired Fund), and summarizing each Board of Trustee’s considerations in recommending that shareholders approve the merger and (ii) a proxy card and instructions on how to submit your vote.
    If the merger is approved by the shareholders of the Acquired Fund, each holder of a class of shares of the Acquired Fund will receive, following the transfer, on a tax-free basis for federal income tax purposes, a number of full and fractional shares of the corresponding class of shares of the Acquiring Fund having an aggregate net asset value equal to the aggregate net asset value of the shares of the Acquired Fund held by that shareholder as of the close of business of the New York Stock Exchange, usually 4:00 p.m. Eastern time, on the closing day of the merger. The merger, if approved by shareholders, is expected to close after the close of business on May 4, 2018 or on another date as the parties to the transaction shall agree.
    SUP-TAIO-1117
    The foregoing is not an offer to sell, nor a solicitation of an offer to buy, shares of the Funds, nor is it a solicitation of any proxy. The Proxy Statement/Prospectus will be available for free on the Securities and Exchange Commission’s website (www.sec.gov), once it is available. Please read the Proxy Statement/Prospectus (when available) carefully before making any decision to invest in the Funds or when considering the merger. For additional information relating to each Fund, please refer to the Fund’s prospectus, which is available by visiting www.jpmorganfunds.com or by calling 1-800-480-4111.
    INVESTORS SHOULD RETAIN THIS SUPPLEMENT
    WITH THE SUMMARY PROSPECTUSES, PROSPECTUSES AND
    STATEMENTS OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR FUTURE REFERENCE