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Rising rates and what to do! Don't put all your eggs in one basket !
Derf
Been doing just that since
1985. I never was much for conventional wisdom.
Edit: The above is incorrect. Been doing that since
1966. Just it took me till
1985 to figure out how to turn it into a consistent market beating strategy.
Rising rates and what to do! Floating rate funds move almost lock-step with high yield corporates albeit without the volatility (2008 was an exception) They seem now like a no brainer, can't miss, sure thing trade with among other things the Fed expected to raise rates next month and once or twice or more in 2017. Yes, I know how "sure thing" trades always work out - they don't. Although they are about the only survival in bondland the past three months. If high yield corporates surprise to the downside here because of looming defaults triggered by the rapid rise in Treasuries that could be a huge negative to floating rate funds.
Rising rates and what to do! DH, Obviously what I was watching was not correct or I misinterpreted it. I think the better question is, what were you looking at? I am not an overly sophisticated investor, so if you could enlighten me, I would greatly appreciate it.
I do not want to get caught off-guard again. You can bet there will be another leg-up or two in the coming year, but when?
Thanks for sharing!!
The bond market/buyer/brokers are much different then the stock market. The bond market is the family station wagon to the stock market Tesla.
The things that tipped me off to the market change were what bond investors look at:
Macro - unemployment rate and fear of inflation
Monetary - Fed meeting in Dec - rate increase
Fundamental - company earnings not as good as expected - companies will try to raise prices (this did not go into my decision)
Political - Trump uncertainty
Technical - the chart in the link I posted and others (this was the final straw that got me to sell)
I sold all my bond holdings last month and am
100% in cash.
So, from the above you can see this trend continuing until after the Fed meeting and possibly until after the State of the Union address.
An area to watch is the
10 year approaching 3%. That is probably the upper limit for this period.
The areas I am watching are:
High Yield Emerging Bonds - I am putting a toe into this now - monthly investing.
REITS
High Yield Corp.
Closed End Bond Funds
Dividend paying Tech funds
What are your thoughts?
Stock-Picking Pros Beat The Indexers I've read in more than one place (don't have references at the moment) that managed funds do NOT perform better than indexes/ETFs before, during, or after bear markets.
But regarding this, I take a long-term view (5-10 years) on everything. A one or two-year record doesn't mean much.
Rising rates and what to do!
TIAA-CREF NTF Lineup I've never been able to find a listing. I do know an advisor there and asked him to pass along some feedback - that the brokerage information for DIYers is close to nonexistent.
While TIAA has traditionally been focused on assisted investing (they provide extensive help with their 403(b) plans, and have been moving into advisor-managed accounts), it has a lot of catching up to do for the DIY market.
The best I've been able to do is find a list of families offered, where families have asterisks if at least one of their funds is available NTF. Something interesting is that American Funds has an asterisk. This is interesting because supposedly only Fidelity and Schwab are carrying any AF funds NTF, and because the listing is dated August 20
16. I think that predates
AF announcement of its NTF offerings.
Your guess is as good as mine as to what that says about the info on this list.
Also of note is that Franklin Templeton is starred. That could be for Mutual Series funds like MDISX (which M* lists as TIAA-CREF NTF). T. Rowe Price is starred, but that could be for their Advisor class shares (that carry an extra
12b-
1 fee, such as PASVX). All in all, hard to find anything unusual that pops out.
https://www.tiaa.org/public/pdf/MF_families.pdf
Stock-Picking Pros Beat The Indexers
Stock-Picking Pros Beat The Indexers Hi Guys,
Nothing could be more misleading than the title of this referenced article. The article does acknowledge that there are smart active fund managers among many who are not so smart, but time and fees work against the small cohort of successful active fund managers.
Here is a Link that summarizes just how small that cohort of smart active fund managers is:
https://www.justetf.com/uk/news/passive-investing/the-proof-that-active-managers-cannot-beat-the-market.htmlThe odds are not attractive. This article clearly demonstrates the high percentage of actively managed funds that fail to beat appropriate benchmarks. I was surprised by the dismal records registered by funds outside the US marketplace. I wrongly believed that foreign operated actively managed mutual funds were superior in their limited market sphere. The data seems to demonstrate otherwise.
Although forecasting which funds will be winners in the future is a hazardous challenge, some actively managed funds have terrific past performance records. So history can serve as an imperfect guide on the basis that positive momentum might persist. Recently I have added a mix of Index products to my portfolio, but I still own a few actively managed funds that have delivered acceptable performance.
Market beating funds are out there. They are few in number so they may be difficult to find. The long term performance records do identify some of these attractive products. Here is a Link to a short list published by Barron's:
http://www.barrons.com/articles/4-managers-who-consistently-beat-the-market-1452318197Although the list is very short, it is supplemented with some near misses that are also identified. Hope is eternal. Enjoy and profit.
Best Wishes.
Rising rates and what to do! All of the above illustrates the dilemma of finding a way to wring income out of a sector ( Bonds) that is so overbought. Look what has happened to Munis in the last two weeks.. an entire year's income gone.
I had a large position in FFHRX in May 2015 after which it lost 9% in the next nine months, souring me on BL funds for a while
Kiplinger's Income Newsletter portfolio ( widely diversified with MLPs, Taxable and Muni Bond Funds, Dividend stocks) has had an income return of about 16 % since 1/1/2014 (about 6% a year) but the principal has declined 5% in that time so a retiree would see their nest egg shrink (and it was far worse in March before the current rebound in energy!)
A quick M* chart from May 2015 to March 2016 of some of the above funds shows losses of up to 8% ( RSIVX ), and of course those funds with the higher yields lost the most. PONDX somehow sailed right thru, but the leverage is a huge concern.
No one has mentioned ZEOIX which held up nicely but still pays 2.4% . Maybe better to accept a lower income stream (if you can) than to see your money melt away as rates rise.
There is no such thing as a free lunch
Rising rates and what to do! @Joe - As noted in the
Investopedia page cited by
@AndyJ, these bank loan notes have fairly high recovery rates, because they are collateralized and because they are senior to other debt. That doesn't affect the risk of default, but it does mean that you can expect to lose less than "ordinary" junk when they do default. So it is reasonable to count on getting back a good chunk of principal (not interest).
You can find retail share classes of these funds in Schwab OneSource: LABAX
is there, BASIX
is offered, and LALDX
is open as well.
Remember, BobC is a professional. Don't try his share classes at home. :-)
Thanks for the leverage note on PONDX. Its a good fund, well managed. But I remember having taken a look at it and noticing something. I'd forgotten what that something was. Here's a
M* thread on the fund's risks (w/contributions by Sam Lee).
Rising rates and what to do!
DH, I have to agree with Hank; I'm not sure why you believe I and others should known that the 10-year was going to rise from 1.78 to 2.24 in just a handful of days, now. I'm not surprised rates are moving up; just the recent velocity.
What were you watching before the rise that did not alert you to the rise?
Rising rates and what to do! Primer on FRs,
here. Pretty good roundup, seems like.
Money quote: "A diverse portfolio of floating-rate loans should perform well when the economy is recovering and credit spreads are tightening."
Typically, they're not equivalent to junk corporates, as you sometimes hear/read: generally they have lower yields than junk corps, are higher in the capital structure, are backed by collateral, have lower default rates, and have higher recovery rates when they do default. (The Inv'pedia piece doesn't mention lower default rates that I can find, but several other sources I've read cite lower default rates as an advantage over junk corps.)
They may be overbought now, though, so even a temporary reversal in rates could be a problem. I don't think I'd be buying a significant stake at this point - probably would put new credit-FI $ into a tried and true, more all-weather option like Pimco Income - which pays out a higher yield than FRs now anyway.
Down But Not Out: Vanguard Says Trump Rules Cull Won’t Hurt ETFs "Trump adviser ... Scaramucci has compared the fiduciary rule [for IRAs, 401Ks] to the infamous Dred Scott decision, a 1857 Supreme Court ruling that denied black Americans citizenship."
Would that be because the SEC rule would hold financial advisors slaves to the truth? I'm really having trouble parsing this comment.