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  • GLFOX Return of Capital
    It happened to me something close to 10 years ago and I didn't realize it until I looked at my 1099. It was in a taxable account where I had DCA'd into a fund (I can't remember which fund it was) and I wasn't sure how to adjust my basis because I've always specifically identified the shares/lots I want to sell. In the end I think I just pro-rated the adjustment across all shares.
  • A 'big fall' in markets is coming as traders put record cash to work
    No one mentioned 90/10 till you did, right? I was just riffing off the needing-3y-cash thing. Where 10% cash would cover 3y. While you waited sleeplessly for your 90% to at least recover.
  • A 'big fall' in markets is coming as traders put record cash to work
    Need? I didn't infer that from the 90/10 rule. Just that 10% in cash/short term bonds is sufficient (according to Buffett) to protect against sequence risk.
    That leaves you free to invest the rest however you see fit subject to the constraint that it will outlast you. If you've got a 30 year horizon, and 27x annual cash flow to invest (after the first three years of cash), all you need do is match inflation (after taxes) to meet that objective.
    Equities should do better than that, but TIPS in a Roth would also suffice, as would a 50/50 mix (a la Bengen).
    If you've got less to invest, you can't take such a cavalier attitude toward allocation, but the 10% in cash/short term bonds still serves its role. I've been meaning to post a link to a sequence risk article - I'll start a separate thread for that.
  • A 'big fall' in markets is coming as traders put record cash to work
    So you need 27x your annual cashflow (if 10% is ~3y) for equity investment, or whatever. Maybe doable if you include SS.
  • A 'big fall' in markets is coming as traders put record cash to work
    It (90/10) works for Buffett:
    "I’ve told the trustee to put 90% of it in an S&P 500 index fund and 10% in short-term governments. And the reason for the 10% in short-term governments is that if there’s a terrible period in the market and she’s withdrawing 3% or 4% a year you take it out of that instead of selling stocks at the wrong time. She’ll do fine with that. And anybody will do fine with that. "
    https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/investor/2014/03/04/warren-buffetts-90-10-rule-of-thumb-for-retirement-investing/
  • A 'big fall' in markets is coming as traders put record cash to work
    >> I figure every day has a 50/50 chance of going up, or going down.
    ?
    And then you go on to say that actually this is not how you 'figure'. I mean, none of us does.
    Disregarding the subjective stuff ("sleep at night", selective memory, etc.) that people act upon, it's the objective statement that's suspect: "Historically there have been a lot more up days than down."
    Up days do dominate, but not by all that much, typically 55% give or take. Or just one extra up day per month of 20 trading days (11 up days, where 10 would be 50/50).
    https://www.crestmontresearch.com/docs/Stock-Yo-Yo.pdf
    I completely concur with keeping 3-5 years in cash/short term bonds, assuming one can afford the hit in a low interest rate environment. It is one of the safer, more "sleep at night" approaches.
  • Investing According To Your Values Can Also Make You Money
    @Jojo26
    The RBC study you referenced looks at the KLD 400 Index. According to MSCI, the index's owner: "The MSCI KLD 400 Social Index is maintained in two stages. First, securities of companies involved in Nuclear Power, Tobacco, Alcohol, Gambling, Military Weapons, Civilian Firearms, GMOs and Adult Entertainment are excluded." https://msci.com/documents/10199/904492e6-527e-4d64-9904-c710bf1533c6
    It is precisely such exclusionary screens for SRI funds I stated the research was neutral about, revealing that such exclusionary indexes/funds either match the market or lag it slightly. It is ESG rankings in which every sector is included but the worst ranked ESG companies are minimized or eliminated that there is strong corroborative evidence for. Since you didn't read the links I provided to the DB report, here is an important excerpt:
    The evidence is compelling: Sustainable Investing can be a clear win for investors and for companies. However, many SRI fund managers, who have tended to use exclusionary screens, have historically struggled to capture this. We believe that ESG analysis should be built into the investment processes of every serious investor, and into the corporate strategy of every company that cares about shareholder value. ESG best-in-class focused funds should be able to capture superior risk-adjusted returns if well executed.
    This is the key finding of our report in which we looked at more than 100 academic studies of sustainable investing around the world, and then closely examined and categorized 56 research papers, as well as 2 literature reviews and 4 meta studies – we believe this is one of the most comprehensive reviews of the literature ever undertaken.
    Frequently, Sustainable Investing is stated to yield ‘mixed results”. However, by breaking down our analysis into different categories (SRI, CSR, and ESG) we have identified exactly where in the sprawling, diverse universe of so-called Sustainable Investment, value has been found.
    By applying what we believe to be a unique methodology, we show that “Corporate Social Responsibility” (CSR) and most importantly, “Environmental, Social and Governance” (ESG) factors are correlated with superior risk-adjusted returns at a securities level. In conducting this analysis, it became evident that CSR has essentially evolved into ESG. At the same time, we are able to show that studies of fund performance – which have been classified “Socially Responsible Investing” (SRI) in the academic literature and have tended to rely on exclusionary screens – show SRI adds little upside, although it does not underperform either. Exclusion, in many senses, is essentially a values-based or ethical consideration for investors.
    We were surprised by the clarity of the results we uncovered:
    100% of the academic studies agree that companies with high ratings for CSR and ESG factors have a lower cost of capital in terms of debt (loans and bonds) and equity. In effect, the market recognizes that these companies are lower risk than other companies and rewards them accordingly. This finding alone should put the issue of Sustainability squarely into the office of the Chief Financial Officer, if not the board, of every company.
    89% of the studies we examined show that companies with high ratings for ESG factors exhibit market-based outperformance, while 85% of the studies show these types of company’s exhibit accounting-based outperformance. Here a gain, the market is showing correlation between financial performance of companies and what it perceives as advantageous ESG strategies, at least over the medium (3-5 years) to long term (5-10 years).
    The single most important of these factors, and the most looked at by academics to date, is Governance (G), with 20 studies focusing in on this component of ESG (relative to 10 studies focusing on E and 8 studies on S). In other words, any company that thinks it does not need to bother with improving its systems of corporate governance is, in effect, thumbing its nose at the market and hurting its own performance all at the same time. In the hierarchy of factors that count with investors and the markets in general, Environment is the next most important, followed closely by Social factors.
    Most importantly, when we turn to fund returns, it is notable that these are all clustered into the SRI category. Here, 88% of studies of actual SRI fund returns show neutral or mixed results. Looking at the compositions of the fund universes included in the academic studies we see a lot of exclusionary screens being used. However, that is not to say that SRI funds have generally underperformed. In other words, we have found that SRI fund managers have struggled to capture outperformance in the broad SRI category but they have, at least, not lost money in the attempt.
    These conclusions go a long way towards explaining why the concept of sustainable investing has taken so long to gain acceptance and even now inspires indifference and even cynicism among many investors. It has been too closely associated for too long with the SRI fund manager results which are not only an extremely broad category (i.e. in terms of investment mandate), but historically were based more on exclusionary – as opposed to positive or best-in-class – screening. ESG investing, by contrast, takes the best-in-class approach. By analyzing the various categories within the universe of sustainable investing, we can now say confidently that the ESG approach, at an analytical level, works for investors and for companies both in terms of cost of capital and corporate financial performance (on a market and accounting basis). It is now a question of ESG best-in-class funds capturing the available returns.
  • Investing Lessons From Edward Thorp, Quant Pioneer And Card Counter
    FYI: Edward O. Thorp pioneered the use of quantitative investment techniques in the financial markets. He is the author of “Beat the Dealer,” which was the first book to prove mathematically that blackjack could be beaten by card counting, and “Beat the Market,” which showed how warrant option markets could be priced and beaten.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/investing-lessons-from-edward-thorp-quant-pioneer-and-card-counter-2017-07-25/print
  • Money-Making Conclusions I've Come to After 30 Years of Investing in Funds By Tom Madell
    http://funds-newsletter.com/aug17-newsletter/aug17.htm
    Unless there are no generalizations that one can make about fund/ETF investing, over 30 years of experience should yield some highly worthwhile conclusions.
    In this article, I try to extract some of the most important ones that have been highly successful for me, while suggesting choices that might be avoided.
    Of course, many strategies for getting the best long-term returns are almost universally understood, but here I try to elaborate on those that likely aren't common knowledge.
  • M*: A Newly Rated Emerging-Markets Fund
    Vintage, according to what I see, ARTZX is rated a 3* fund, but yes, no Analyst Rating. It's as if ARTZX doesn't exist anymore. Still has only about $47 million, compared to ARTYX $1.4 billion. Clearly the parent company is pushing the newer fund with its "star" manager. Returns since the new one started are fairly even, although ARTYX has the edge. ARTYX has an almost 50% higher net expense ratio than ARTZX. We do not use either fund, and we see no compelling reason to own expensive ARTYX.
  • Investing According To Your Values Can Also Make You Money
    @JoJo26 I hate to say this but the data mining is largely on the other side at this point. The single study you point to looks at one index. In DB's case in the original report I linked to DB looked at over 100 studies and found a consistent pattern of ESG outperforming. More recently they've updated their research to include over 2000 studies: https://db.com/newsroom_news/ESG_study_Jan16.pdf
    Here's an article nicely summarizing the original 2012 study which was focused more on the distinction between the ESG ranking I described and more traditional exclusionary socially responsible investing:
    institutionalinvestor.com/blogarticle/3107313/blog/yes-esg-boosts-returns-sri-not-so-much.html
  • Investing According To Your Values Can Also Make You Money
    There absolutely has been strong evidence for many years:
    https://db.com/cr/en/docs/Sustainable_Investing_2012.pdf
    This is specifically for the model I'm describing of ranking by ESG factors not exclusionary screens of entire sectors. There is a ton of supporting evidence for ranking by ESG factors.
    Anybody can data mine evidence to support their camp. And back tests don't tell me anything or give me any confidence that this will be effective moving forward.
    RBC has a piece that supports ESG/SRI, but at least they still point to the lack of evidence it outperforms.
    "This has also been illustrated in an updated study by di Bartolomeo and Kurtz (2011). Performing a holdings-based attribution analysis using the North eld U.S. Fundamental Equity Risk Model, they examined the risk and return characteristics of the S&P 500 Index and the KLD 400 Index for an 18-year period between January 1992 and June 2010. Within the total 18-year period, 2 sub-periods were also analyzed: January 1992-November 1999, and December 1999-June 2010. The KLD 400 outperformed the S&P 500 during January 1992-November 1999, but underperformed during the latter period. Di Bartolomeo and Kurtz concluded that the strong performance in the 1990s was entirely factor driven, during which time the KLD 400 Index had a higher market beta, bets on higher valuation, and an overweight position in the Information Technology sector (i.e., growth stocks). The underperformance following the 1999 peak
    was said to be due to an over reliance on the same factors."
  • Investing According To Your Values Can Also Make You Money
    @JoJo26
    There is no strong evidence that supports ESG outperforming.
    There absolutely has been strong evidence for many years:
    https://db.com/cr/en/docs/Sustainable_Investing_2012.pdf
    This is specifically for the model I'm describing of ranking by ESG factors not exclusionary screens of entire sectors. There is a ton of supporting evidence for ranking by ESG factors.
  • Investing According To Your Values Can Also Make You Money
    The funds tend to have higher ERs too..... It's a gimmick if you ask me.
    I do not agree that the attempt is a gimmick. I think the holes is the net are way too big, that's all. It's a good thing, I think, to consider ethical criteria. In fact, I dunno how to invest and at the same time ignore ethical considerations. I dunno how to wall-off ethics from ANY decision that MATTERS for anything, including investing. Except that capitalism is the only game in town. Markets don't have a conscience. That's to be expected. When people don't have a conscience, don't we call that sociopathic? (And as we all know, what's legally permitted and what is ethical are sadly, very often two different things.) Trouble is, @LewisBraham is correct. Nothing is pure and 100% perfect. It's a messy world. At the same time, it is clear that there are investments which are patently and obviously much more evil, destructive and harmful--- to people and to the environment and whatever else.
  • Investing According To Your Values Can Also Make You Money
    BTW, SFGIX/SIGIX has no such mandate, but lands in the top 1% for "sustainability."
    @Crash , Foster writes about that in his last letter to shareholders.
    Seafarer’s Policy on Corporate Governance (or, “ESG Policy”)
    http://www.seafarerfunds.com/letters-to-shareholders/2017/04/annual
    Yes, I read that. Glad to see it. I read it very SLOWLY, due to the tiny print. Of course, when reading online, I can play with the type-size. :)
  • Investing According To Your Values Can Also Make You Money
    @Maurice Yes, except reductive binary arguments--sustainable/unsustainable--are false childish ones. We live in a world of scales and spectrum and there are many shades of grey between sustainable and unsustainable. Last I heard muni bonds weren't used to support wars and revolutions. But by saying everything's unsustainable it rationalizes investing in everything (or nothing if you're on the other side of this childish argument) when some companies and governments are much worse or better than others.
    Here's how the federal government spent the 2016 Federal Budget according to Investopedia:
    investopedia.com/updates/usa-national-debt/
    What Goes into the Current National Debt?
    As indicated above, debt is the net accumulation of budget deficits. It is important to look at the top expenses, as they constitute the major factors of national debt. The top expenses in the U.S. are identified as follows (based on the Federal Budget 2016 Total Outlay Figures):
    Healthcare Programs (includes Medicare & Medicaid): A total of $1.1 trillion (USD) is allocated to healthcare benefit programs, which includes Medicare and Medicaid.
    Social Security Program/Pensions: Aimed at providing financial security to the retired, the total Social Security and other expenditures are $1 trillion.
    Defense Budget Expenses: The portion of national budget which is allocated for military related expenditures. Currently, $1.1 trillion is earmarked for the U.S. Defense Budget.
    Others: Transportation, veteran benefits, international affairs, education and training, etc. are also expenses the government has to take care of. Interestingly, the common public belief is that spending on international affairs consumes a lot of resources and expenses, but in truth, such expenditures lie within the lower rung in the list.
    So even on the federal level it's not just wars. But you already knew that.
  • Investing According To Your Values Can Also Make You Money
    BTW, SFGIX/SIGIX has no such mandate, but lands in the top 1% for "sustainability."
    @Crash , Foster writes about that in his last letter to shareholders.
    Seafarer’s Policy on Corporate Governance (or, “ESG Policy”)
    http://www.seafarerfunds.com/letters-to-shareholders/2017/04/annual