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Perhaps I'm missing something, but with a well allocated portfolio including stocks, bonds and cash, a YTD return of 5.58% is actually pretty good. And frankly, if you could finish the year up 6-8% in this type of environment, I'd say you did well.
I guess in the spirit of full disclosure I am having a bad, a really, really bad year. After a bang up 2014 and 2015, this year I am up 5.58%.
I have to agree. If a trading portfolio is up 100% for the year but the trading portfolio is 10% and cash is 90% of the total, excluding cash does not give a true picture.Old-Skeet I am not trying to start anything here as I have always found you legit - something that can't be said for some that post on investing and especially trading boards. But you are the only investor I have ever seen anywhere anyplace that breaks down your returns minus cash. Everyone else breaks down returns based on their total portfolio balance - cash included.
Old-Skeet I am not trying to start anything here as I have always found you legit - something that can't be said for some that post on investing and especially trading boards. But you are the only investor I have ever seen anywhere anyplace that breaks down your returns minus cash. Everyone else breaks down returns based on their total portfolio balance - cash included. I am just curious why you do this. Now you throw in "when factoring trading profits". So I guess the question is assuming no withdrawals or additions, what are you up based on 1/1/16 total balance to 7/01/16 total balance.Hi @Charles,
Thanks for posting how SPY & AGG has performed and split 50/50 would have performed with a return of about 5.75%. This is something that I monitor but in mutual fund form and not in etf form.
My mutual fund 50/50 portfolio that I track is up 4.4% vs. the etf 50/50 being up 4.75%. To me, this reflects that the etf is out performing due to lower cost associated with most ets today but might not reflect all investment cost if the etf's are held in a wrap account.
With some skill and luck the investment return of my portfolio (excluding cash) according to Morningstar's portfolio manager is up 5.5% year-to-date and when factoring in trading profits puts me up about another percent. With this, I am "feeling pretty good" (as Flo says in the Progressive Insurance commericals)... and, especially, when I consider the current investment climate we have all faced over the past couple of years. My engineer high school buddy, that I have reference in some previous post, is up about the same as I am as we have both at times used some adaptive allocation strategies. He uses only mutual fund of indexes within his portfolio for the S&P 500 Stock Index and the Aggerate Bond Index.
While my portfolio is more complex and offers a higher income generation his is more simplified with lower income generation with his portfolio currently slightly edging me out on a total return basis for the one, three and five year periods but not over a full market cycle of the past ten years.
We are both happy with our results as we both wear smiles on our faces. Indeed, investing has been good to both of us.
I appreciate that you like it, and it seems to have performed adequately. But I believe that's in spite of its design, not because of it. I'll start a new thread later going into detail.Hi @msf,
Thank you for making comment about a fund that I made mention of and that is CTFAX. I realize that the fund is not for everyone. No doubt, you must be one of those investors that does not favor the fund. I got to tell you, though, it is both one I favor and one that I own.
Here's the link to the Columbia commentary you quoted below. It goes on to state:
You bring up a point about this fund and its use of the its 31 day trading rule (loss sell rule). I'd also like to note inorder for the loss sale rule to be utilized there has to be a loss. If securities are sold at a profit then the rule does not apply.
A minor quibble and then a look at the numbers. Despite the fund's commentary referring to S&P 500 Index closing price, the prospectus says nothing about the S&P 500® Index closing price, just the S&P 500® Index level (with no restriction on time of day given). Nevertheless, let's work with the closing prices.
Additional comment ... In checking current fund trading details at Columbia ... below is what they state.
"On 6/23/16, the S&P 500 Index closed at 2113.32 which is above the fund's 2100 price level threshold, resulting in an increase to the fixed-income fund exposure in the portfolio." My comment ...
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With the Brexit pullback the S&P500 Index did not close below the fund's closing price threshold thus the fund to trigger a new buy thus the fund did not increase its allocation to equities during the Brexit pullback. Not because of the 31 day trading rule (loss sale rule) but because the price level of the Index did not close below the threshold requiring it to increase its allocation to equities.
My records indicate that on 6/23 the 500 Index closed at 2113 ... on 6/24 at 2037 ... on 6/27 at 2000 ... on 6/28 at 2038 ... on 6/29 at 2071 ... on 6/30 at 2099 ... and, on 7/1 at 2103.
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