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  • M*: 10 Funds That Beat the Market Over 15 Years
    Also, don't some mfunds try and curtail such trading? Maybe the intervals you cite are long enough not to trigger a response.
    In my retirement accounts, if you sell any shares of a fund, you cannot buy back again until 15/30 days. TRP also has such restrictions. So what? You can buy other funds.
    Sell Target Date 2060, Buy Target Date 2050.
    Sell S&P index, but midcap index.
    Hardly an issue for me.
  • M*: 10 Funds That Beat the Market Over 15 Years
    @msf. I'm taking about risk adjusted return. If you waited till fund dropped 40% to sell and THEN again waited until it crossed $100, then that would totally be silly.
    The point is to not "buy and hope" and have some mental stop loss. When you sell at 10% loss, you keep assets in risk free treasuries. They are going to accumulate some interest. You can decide to go back in sooner if you like, e.g. maybe on some moving average crossover.
    All of our "investment advice" is predicated on "the stock market always goes up in the long term". Unless I'm mistaken, Japanese market has still not captured its all time high.
    I trust I have made my point. To each his own.
    Regarding "trailing stops". I think I do something similar. My ANALysis tells me how much % I should be invested and I gradually sell down or buy up to that allocation in increments. Additionally I don't fight the tape. Keeps me sane, able to sleep, AND most importantly invested to some degree at all times. I only do this in my retirement accounts where I don't have to worry about taxes.
  • M*: 10 Funds That Beat the Market Over 15 Years
    Hi @VintageFreak
    DODGX break even point, per this chart, includes all distributions. Dec. 28, 2007-Jan. 2013.

    http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf.php?DODGX&l=2260&r=3531&O=011000
    Err...I wasn't trying to be lazy and put you to work. Please accept my apologies.
    Since funds make distributions and they are reflected in the NAV, they artificially depress the NAV. So likely the "portfolio value" of the original $100, might have become $100 again a little earlier than what one can see in the chart. I was trying to ask if there was an easy way to find out.
    Thanks again for taking the trouble :)
  • Top 20 Mutual Fund Companies By Assets: Graphic
    That's a pretty cool chart! I sometimes worry because TRP (where I invest) seems to be perpetually cranking out new funds - some very similar in nature. But looking at these "balloons" I think I understand why. They're struggling to stay large (and competitive) among some real giants.
    Maybe I missed something. But to state "The best firms ... are American and Dodge and Cox" strikes me as somewhat presumptuous. For sure, D&C (where I have a little) has a lot to recommend it. They have some of the lowest ERs among the active managers. They're a privately held held firm. And have a great long-term record.
    The one thing I'd caution against is that tit-for-tat I think you'll find their equity and balanced funds are a bit more volatile than those of many peers. Don't know if this is (1) just part of their investment culture or (2) whether perhaps the mamouth size of their funds necessitates they stay pretty much fully invested in larger cap stocks and assume a longer-term time horizon. Probably both.
    @bee - If you missed it, there's some discussion of DODGX in @Ted's: "M*: 10 Funds That Beat the Market Over 15 Years" thread.
    Regards
  • Would it be too much to ask...Requesting Mutual Fund Provide Dividend Alert
    Hey, she only got $186m, what do you guys want, anyway? Give the lady a break!!
    It's about time she ran for office as a Great Bidness Person!
  • M*: 10 Funds That Beat the Market Over 15 Years
    "Perhaps then we can ask the question, if one sold DODGX when value fell to $90, and then bought it back after it crossed $100 again, ... "
    That's a surefire way to lose money. You're selling on dips, and buying back when the price is higher than when you sold. For the money you got by selling your shares at $90, you get fewer shares back when you repurchase at $100.
    I can make this concrete. I'm glad you mentioned 2000-2002. (All data from Yahoo finance.)
    The first time in that time frame that the fund price dipped to $90 or below was 2/25/2000, at $89.44. (It had last been over $100 on 1/19/2000.) The lowest it got after that before going back over $100 was $89.36 on 3/7/2000. It reached $100 on 5/12/2000 ($100.09). Selling at virtually the bottom and buying back at $100 would have cost about 11%. Not to mention the missed dividend. (DODGX pays quarterly dividends, or at least it does now.)
    The next time it dipped to $90 or below was 9/20/2001, at $87.95. The lowest it got after that was the next day, at $86.51. It went back over $100 on 11/26/2001, at $100.34. Selling low ($86.51) and buying high ($100.34) would have cost around 14%, again plus quarterly dividends forgone.
    The final time it dipped to $90 or below might make you feel a little better. It dropped to $89.22 on 7/16/2002. It got as low as $75.03 on 10/9/2002, before passing $100 again on 6/12/2003 ($100.15). By being out of the market, you would have avoided some discomfort at watching your shares drop another 16%. Ultimately though, you'd still have paid $100.15 to buy back shares that you sold at $89.22.
    A more effective strategy is to use trailing stops, which may be what you had in mind. I think you're trying to clip off the worst of the loss (by selling when it seems the fund is on its way down), and conversely, to pick up most of the gain (by selling when it looks like the fund is on its way to recovering). Trailing stops help you do that.
    You want to reenter once the fund starts moving up, say from that low of $75.03 to a price "just" 10% higher, rather than wait for it to blow past the price you sold it at only to repurchase at a higher price.
    An issue with this strategy is that corrections (10% moves) are more common than bear markets (20% moves). So if you sell when the fund drops 10%, you'll likely be selling into a correction, not a bear. In those cases, the fund won't drop 20%. Let's say the fund drops 15%. When it then gains 10% and you repurchase, its price will still be higher than the price you sold it at.
    With 10% trailing stops, the only time you come out ahead (and it could be far ahead) would be in bear markets.
    Peace of mind comes at a price. I prefer the strategy that BobC and others have suggested - keeping enough in cash and short term bonds to wait out market gyrations.
  • Would it be too much to ask...Requesting Mutual Fund Provide Dividend Alert
    Hey, she only got $186m, what do you guys want, anyway? Give the lady a break!!
  • Don't Be Tempted By This ETF's Strong Performance
    FYI: ("Don't Be Tempted by This ETF's Strong Performance", Right ! The Linkster is laughing all the way to the bank. I say to the author Alex Bryan, what the hell are you smoking ? Did you ever look at QQQ's 1 percentile performance ?)
    This fund's exchange focus and industry concentration dim some of its shine.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://news.morningstar.com/articlenet/article.aspx?id=804306
  • M*: 10 Funds That Beat the Market Over 15 Years
    @VF:
    DODGX - Value of $100 on January 1, 2008
    December 31, 2008 - $56.69 (loss of 43.31%)
    December 31, 2009 - $74.41 (gain of 31.27%)
    December 31, 2010 - $84.44 (gain of 13.48%)
    December 31, 2011 - $81.00 (loss of 4.08%)
    December 31, 2012 - $98.83 (gain of 22.01%)
    December 31, 2013 - $138.34 (gain of 40.55%)
    You'd still be slightly behind 5 years after investing the initial amount. This assumes no custodial fees were paid from your invested amount over those years. Had you paid such fees out of invested money, you'd be further behind. Waiting one additional year would have paid-off. The fund jumped 40.55% in 2013.
  • M*: 10 Funds That Beat the Market Over 15 Years
    @hank. If you can tell how long it was before $56.69 became $100 again? Might be instructive.
    Perhaps then we can ask the question, if one sold DODGX when value fell to $90, and then bought it back after it crossed $100 again, ...
    I think you get my drift. Funds don't keep falling from $100 to $90, up again to $100, back down to $90, again and again and again. The risk of "not being invested" is way overblown by the financial industry because it risks their revenue stream from our assets.
    Fool me once, shame on you (2000-2002). Fool me twice (2007-2009) shame on Me. Fool me thrice (? - ?), shame on Who?
    My ANALysis told me I should be 66% invested few weeks back. I kept selling my 401k assets down, AS LONG AS the funds I was invested had their NAVs decreasing. I made it down to 80% invested, never made it down to 66%. Those funds I didn't sell actually helped my portfolio performance as should be expected. Now my ANALysis tells me to be 100% invested, I'm creeping back in AS LONG AS the funds I'm invested in have their NAVs rising.
    This is the definition of common sense. My name is VF and I approve this message.
  • Would it be too much to ask...Requesting Mutual Fund Provide Dividend Alert
    On the day that a mutual fund pays out a dividend, would it be too much to ask that a small "d" be place beside the apparent share price adjustment. For example today PTIAX (Bond Mutual Fund) had an "apparent" loss of (-.49%).
    So, instead of this being a almost .5% loss for the day it is instead a .5% dividend.
    Here's Yahoo's (totally useless) Feed:
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    Yahoo. chart is even more useless. At least M* charts are adjusted for dividends (performance chart vs price chart):
    Here the difference...
    Yahoo's YTD month price chart (notice the drop in price each month due to dividend pay out):
    image
    Now here is M* performance chart that includes the dividend as a component of performance (more accurate graph):
    image
    I have "bought enough donuts" in my day to know that today 11 cent loss on Yahoo's site is most likely a monthly distribution of dividend and the "apparent" loss in share price will soon be made up in additional shares or as an extra dividend in my account.
    Why doesn't YahooFinance adapt performance charts or simply add an asterisk "*" or a letter "d" to the data so hypochondriacs like myself can redirect our misplaced anxiety to buying donuts?
  • questions ahead of Morningstar
    Hi, Bob.
    The first response was something like "it was an expression of Abhay's legacy at First Eagle." The second was, "but we weren't on-board yet when the decision was made, so we're not 100% on that.
    So far the no-load institutional share class holds 90% of the fund's assets, the "A" shares - often load-waived - hold 9% and the archaic "C" shares are under 1%.
    I'm going to try tracking Abhay down and asking him directly, since I forgot to ask in our original meeting. (My bad.)
    David
  • M*: A Buffett-Like Small-Company Fund On Our Radar
    FYI: Long-tenured managers and a successful valuation-sensitive strategy make Tributary Small Company a promising fund.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://news.morningstar.com/Cover/videoCenter.aspx?id=803149
    Lipper Snapshot FOSCX:
    http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/fund/foscx
    FOSCX Ranks #2 In The (SCB) Fund Category By U. S. News & World Report:
    http://money.usnews.com/funds/mutual-funds/small-blend/tributary-small-company-fund/foscx
  • Top 20 Mutual Fund Companies By Assets: Graphic
    Thanks Ted,
    The chart seems to be worth posting as a point of conversation so I took the liberty of adding it below.
    Dodge & Cox seems to be in an enviable position of size (slightly smaller and possibly more nimble), lower fees, and number of high quality funds. I have never owned any of their funds, but would like to ask the opinion of others that do.The chart seems to say the same for American Funds.
    Also, I see T. Rowe Price as an interesting fund company. Their funds carry reasonable fees and perform well. Does anyone own TROW as a stock holding? Is TROW a concentrated holder of any TRP funds? Are TRP's fund managers restricted from owning TROW in their funds?
    Columbia Funds seems to get a bum wrap on the chart. Their "Z" shares are reasonable priced and available in some of their more successful funds.
    Here's the chart from your Article:
    image
  • Top 20 Mutual Fund Companies By Assets: Graphic
    FYI:I love these simple, clean two variable (Fees vs size) sort of graphics:
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://ritholtz.com/2017/04/top-20-mutual-fund-companies-assets/
  • M*: 10 Funds That Beat the Market Over 15 Years
    Nice list. Great funds for long-term patient investors. But not for the squeamish for whom even a 10% pullback arouses fear or loathing.
    Before you send money, be aware that $100 invested in DODGX at the beginning of 2008 was worth $56.69 at year's end. During that period it seemed everybody and his brother were bailing from D&C's funds and writing them off as permanent failures. Even if you bailed mid-way through the year, you'd likely have experienced a 20-25% near-term loss.
    Not to knock D&C. I like them. Currently, at the high market valuations most of my $$ there resides in their two income funds. If stocks decide to go on sale again in my lifetime, some of that money will be shifted back into their fine equity funds. Agree with OJ's take on team management. Not sure if D&C employs that approach to the same extent American does - but it's one reason I like their funds.
  • M*: 10 Funds That Beat the Market Over 15 Years
    Morningstar introduced medal (and neutral and negative) ratings in 2011. So asking what medal, if any, a fund had 15 years ago is meaningless. The predecessor to medals was analyst pick or pan.
    I haven't found an analyst pick list going back quite that far, but here's one from a decade ago (2007). The site appears to have more recent ones as well.
    http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/morningstar/advisor_2007fall/index.php?startid=82
    Here's the search that will get you these books. Just change the year (2007) in the URL to the year (between 2007 and 2012) that you're interested in. Then look at the contents of the "book" for Mutual Fund Analyst Picks to get you to the right page.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Morningstar+analyst+picks+2007+site:nxtbook.com