I do not think Big Energy Big tobacco or big pharma ( or little for that matter) can be trusted to do anything other than maximize returns for 1) first their CEOS and top management ( if they put their shareholders first, most CEO's pay packages would be cut disastrously; most stock buybacks support the continued share issuance for options) and then maybe 2) shareholders
in an ideal world, CEOs would not be given pay packages thousands of times greater than their employees and would the suffer consequences of failure.
It is interesting how many people hate government regulation until their unbridled greed pushes the system to collapse and then it is Ok for the government to intervene and bail them out.
In health care, private equity has pushed the system close to collapse. Eight hospitals in MA are bankrupt with their Parent Stewart, and are being auctioned off in a week. Stewart was stiffing it’ s IV fluid and drug vendors, but paid $7,000,000 for espionage and spying on it’s critics.
Three Prospect Medical hospitals in CT are also close to closing because Prospect (CA pe) didnt bother to spend enough money on cyber security so they got hacked and shut down for 2 months. Do you think anyone at the top will loose money?

Odd that Schwab apparently allows purchase of ARDBX advisor shares without an advisor and low minimum

The minimum investment for ARDBX at several brokerages:
Fidelity - $2,500
Schwab - $2,500 (Basic), $1,000 (IRA)
Vanguard - $500

@catch22, thank you for the readable charts. VTV is still running ahead of VUG as of the last data drop at MFO premium to the end of June.
You ask "is this investment area really a solid 'trend' and/or rotation?" And I am reminded of a recent comment by Howard Marks highlighted in this thread (dinky linky.) "Investors should understand that the investment environment and the starting point for investments have a huge impact on their success."
People putting their money down at the end of 2021/beginning of 2022 might have different opinions about value versus growth than those of us playing around with various start times. The person that bought dumpy old FGRIX is probably tickled about his 12.5 return versus the 8.8 return of SPY, or the 7.5 return of VUG, his smarter friends bought. And there is no reason to assume that his smarter friends will ever catch up, though they will pound the table.
Of course FGRIX is only 35% value per M* although Lipper labels it LCV. There are plenty of other funds on the list that might better fit someone's definition of value. That old passive curiosity LEXCX returned 10.5.

@WABAC and BenWP I've added to two other performance charts for different time frames when Value could have provided some 'head fakes'.
--- Chart line colors likely vary by device type; but my laptop, for my very good eyes show red, a lime green and blue. Also, one may hover a pointer over the graph line at any point to 'see' the name of the fund/etf.
VUG vs VTV vs SPY (a reference choice) This chart is for 2 years and covers the full years of 2022 and 2023.
This chart is for the beginning of the COVID period and covers the full years of 2020 and 2021.
'Course, I'm showing these as time frames for various periods which can cause any of us who may want to make decisions in 'real time'. A tough road, for sure. Being, is this investment area really a solid 'trend' and/or rotation?
BIAS NOTE: We've been mostly U.S. centric investors for many years and fully since the melt of 2008. This includes equity and bonds. We obtain small pieces of international exposure via U.S. fund holdings. The 'other' bias is that we've been oriented to growth. 'Course there have a few scary periods for growth investors.

Sure, take out the engine of the world, and things will look different.
Value has been lagging for about 15 years now.
But one day.... :-)

...but starting fwd P/E not so for stocks. Twitter LINK
This is a good illustration of the well-known bond Rule of Thumb that initial yields approximate the TR over the duration (AGG duration 6).
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In the ratio chart of VUG:VTV,
up-trend = growth outperforming, 01/2023-now
down-trend = growth underperforming, 11/2021-01/2023
flat-trend = both performing in-line; not seen for long as the two are opposites
See longer 5 yrs at StockCharts (can use even earlier dates),
https://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=VUG:VTV&p=D&yr=5&mn=0&dy=0&id=p35418833536

AAII Sentiment Survey, 7/3/24
BULLISH remained the top sentiment (41.7%, above average) & bearish became the bottom sentiment (26.1%, below average); neutral became the middle sentiment (32.2%, above average); Bull-Bear Spread was +15.6% (above average). Investor concerns: Elections, budget, inflation, economy, the Fed, dollar, Russia-Ukraine (123+ weeks), Israel-Hamas (38+ weeks), geopolitical. For the Survey week (Th-Wed), stocks up, bonds flat, oil up, gold up, dollar down. Speculations continue about the Democratic ticket. In UK elections, Labour is ahead of Conservatives (incumbents). Paramount/NAI & Skydance deal is back. #AAII #Sentiment #Markets
https://ybbpersonalfinance.proboards.com/post/1542/thread

BlackRock, the world’s largest asset manager, has just launched an ETF that offers 100% downside protection to investors. The new ETF (MAXJ) will have its maximum gains capped at 10.6% while protecting against the downside for a duration of 12 months. 0.5% ER
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/how-good-is-blackrock-s-new-100-downside-hedge-etf/ar-BB1pdRfO?ocid=BingNewsSerp

It represents one form of relative performance of USA growth vs value stocks. Growth has trounced value as we all know but in market sell offs value holds up better. Where are we now in that growth vs value cycle? Not at the bottom.

Now that I can see all three lines, it looks to me like one Vanguard index has trounced another Vanguard index over five years spanning rapidly changing market conditions.
If I had bought VSMIX or GQEPX five years ago I would be ahead of VUG. There may be other examples of funds that have performed better over the last five years. Those are just two that are on my watch list. I'll admit that only one of those is a value fund.
If we were to look at the last three years, during which growth has been digging itself out of a very large hole, a number of funds in my watch list outperform VUG. Only two outperform IWY.
I spent the last year ditching Vanguard index funds.
Edit to add:
Did a larger search at MFO Premium. Add HIMDX to the list of three funds that beat VUG over five years. The interesting thing about HIMDX is that it is a quant fund. Wouldn't we like to see the inside of their black box?
But what if we went back three years? There are 20 value, or equity income, funds that are beating VUG.
What if we went back to the start of "Normalization 2" which is 202112? Then we get a much larger number of value and equity income funds that are still beating VUG's return of 7.5 over that time period. (Lipper categorizes some funds as value that M* sees as blend.)
People assume that growth will continue to beat value just because. But, as with comedy, timing is everything.

As LTC Hal Moore said at the Battle of Ia Drang Valley, "Nothing's wrong ... except there's nothing's wrong."
I agree the markets are treading water and churning - there is a false sense of security forming, but at least it's not overwhelmed with bullish exuberance. Maybe that's b/c of the geopolitical and electoral climate around the world this year?

All you have to see is a nice uptrend of the SP500 chart since 11/2023(

link).

To clarify: My comments reflect my accounts (income-oriented, value equities), not the broad market.
That said, take out the Mag-7 and that chart will look a lot different, I bet.

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away two young Jedi fought side by side against ...
Oh, right. Focus. Messrs. Samra and O'Keefe were fast rising stars analysts under David Herro at Harris Associates (i.e., the Oamark funds) together. They left Harris in 2002 over a disagreement concerning when they would be named partners. (Ed Studzinski, who was there at the time, sort of chronicled it in a 2018 essay.) They joined Artisan Partners and posted spectacular numbers running International Value together. They launched Global Value and put up spectacular numbers, all of which led to huge inflows. They were nominated six times as Morningstar's International manager of the year, and won the award twice. In 2018, they made a management decision to separate teams ... Mr. Samra would lead International Value, Mr. O'Keefe would lead Global Value.
Over the past five years, both have done well. It's just that in both absolute and relative terms, International has done a lot better. (Top 3% versus top 30%, with a several hundred bps lead in absolute returns at a time when international, broadly speaking, trailed.) Oddly, Global was held by against its peer group because it had less exposure to hot US stocks than its average peer.
One might conclude that Mr. O'Keefe is good and Mr. Samra is great. In any case, Morningstar just upgraded Global to a Gold analyst rating, arguing that the team is becoming deeper and more cohesive.
For what that's worth.

As LTC Hal Moore said at the Battle of Ia Drang Valley, "Nothing's wrong ... except there's nothing's wrong."
I agree the markets are treading water and churning - there is a false sense of security forming, but at least it's not overwhelmed with bullish exuberance. Maybe that's b/c of the geopolitical and electoral climate around the world this year?

All you have to see is a nice uptrend of the SP500 chart since 11/2023(link).

So many should be demoted and/or never be invited to talk on TV and make predictions.
(link).

VUG vs VTV vs SPY chart total returns. 5 years.
Value may remain value for good reasons and not yet ready for 'prime time'.

”JPMorgan's chief global market strategist and co-head of global research, Marko Kolanovic, is leaving the bank, according to an internal memo obtained by Bloomberg News. The move follows a disastrous two-year stretch of stock-market calls by Kolanovic. He was steadfastly bullish in much of 2022 as the S&P 500 Index sank 19% and strategists across Wall Street lowered their expectations for equities. He then turned bearish just as the market bottomed, missing last year's 24% surge in the S&P 500 as well as the 14% gain in the first half of this year.”
(This brief market news update was excerpted in its entirety from subscription based Bloomberg Media July 3, 2024)

Apparently they bought a tech platform in scrip --er, an all-stock deal today. If I was part of the acquisiton, I'd be selling my shares ASAP....
https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20240703191/trump-media-to-buy-assets-of-worldconnect-technologies-in-all-stock-deal

We are screwed. Well and truly screwed. Thanks to the "supreme" court the United States is no longer the democracy that it has been since it's birth... that chapter is now closed. The next chapter is likely similar to many of those "well run" "financially stable" African or South American third-world countries whose fortunes swing wildly with every new tinpot "president" they choose. Or, in many cases, who is "chosen" for them.

Well-said, OJ. And again, it's the GQP who bleat about how we're becoming a "third world country" and "bananna republic" when it's their own idiotic shenanigans that are paving the way for that eventuality.
Even though I have a fantastic view from my place, part of me is hoping the weather waters down the DC fireworks tomorrow night as a symbol of what our present reality (and future) might be.
So once again, the GQP, enabled by the SCOTUS, has turned the country backwards in time, as this recent meme explains....

Now, let's talk about how the product can be created.
1. ETF provider asks you for $100 today.
2. 1yr interest rate in the options market is about 5.35%
3. If I invest $94.93 in some T-bill like options combinations I will get $100 in exactly 1yr time {94.93*(1+5.35%)}
4. After I am done investing the $94.93 (which by the way guarantees you 100% principal protection), I have $5.07 remaining
5. Now I also want to charge you some fees of 0.7%
6. After charging you $0.7 in fees, I have $4.36 remaining
7. I use that $4.37 to buy a SPY call spread
8. With CPSJ, ETF provider could buy a 100%-108.76% call spread on the SPY, which roughly relates to 546-593 Call Spread for $4.37
So, now, that's your ETF.
ETF provider gets 70cents of fees
You get your principal protection bcos 94.93 of your 100 was used to buy "Tbill" in the options market
You get 8.76% upside for the next 1 year.
I hope this helps.
(You can be your own ETF provider. Put 95 in TBills for 1yr and use the remaining 5 to buy Call Spreads). We can call your ETF "BLUJ" for Balu July.
PS: let me know when you are ready to send me my check for 70 cents. I accept all forms of payment

@Balubalu first CPSM. Can you see this chart? it shows that since May 1 the SPY is up 10.19% and the CPSM up about 3% This doesnt mean CPSM wont deliver. it needs time a full year to give you the capped 9.65% its promised if SPY stays at these levels. But in the meantime dont expect the ETF to grow with the SPY.
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