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  • How AI could end the ETF boom
    Perhaps a sign of things to come......
    Axios Article:
    How AI could end the ETF boom
    Generated Assets AI Tool:

    Turn any idea into an investable index

  • Peak Shale Has Arrived?
    "In just 15 years, shale companies have increased U.S. oil production by about 8 million barrels of oil a day.
    The boom reduced the country’s reliance on foreign oil and saved American consumers billions of dollars
    via lower gasoline prices.
    But in recent years, signs that the era of shale dominance is coming to an end have multiplied."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-drillers-say-peak-shale-has-arrived/ar-AA1EWSq8
  • Interesting Chart - Fund Fee Trends for 2025
    "I wonder how much is due to funds reducing fees and how much is due to changes in investor behavior."
    Good observations.
    I think it's a combination of both factors noted above.
    Following info is from M* 2024 US Fund Fee Study Executive Summary (link in OP).
    In 2024, the average expense ratio paid by fund investors was less than half of what it was two decades ago.
    Between 2005 and 2024, the asset-weighted average fee fell to 0.34% from 0.83%.
    Investors have saved billions in fund fees as a result.
    Three factors played a role in lowering fees:
    Investors are increasingly aware of the importance of minimizing investment costs,
    which has led them to favor lower-cost funds.
    Competition among asset managers has led many to cut fees.
    Evolution in the economics of advice has also played a central role.
    The move toward fee-based models of charging for financial advice has been a key driver
    of the shift toward lower-cost funds, share classes, and fund types—most notably exchange-traded funds.
    Fund fees are not falling as fast as they used to, though.
    Two factors are behind this slowing rate of change:

    Fees of prominent index mutual funds and ETFs are approaching a floor,
    with many already charging less than 0.05%.
    The emergence of active and alternative ETFs contributed to higher-priced fund launches
    than previously observed.
  • Interesting Chart - Fund Fee Trends for 2025
    Nice chart @bee / Pretty bubbles. I didn’t realize Franklin is so high. Must be their legacy OEFs. Their etfs are quite reasonable. One good one I’ve held before is LVHI which continues to ”shoot the lights out.” I track it expecting it to falter - but it hasn’t.
    I wonder if fees become less significant with age? Yes, at 35 years of age with 30 years until one begins pulling IRA distributions a tenth or quarter of a point is a big deal due to the long term compounding. No argument. But for a 75 or 80 year old picking a fund (often hybrid types designed to hedge risk) I’m not so sure fees are a big deal. OTHO if that 75 year old is investing only in short term credit or cash, I suppose a quarter point is still a big deal.
  • Reality check (closed, this has sort of run its course)
    Big Bang is the place I go for investing chat.
    Big Bang has been directing the political dumpings here:
    "I may or may not moderate political posts (which most of these are) unless they are rabid, but I do encourage people to keep to the topic "Economic Impact of Tariffs". If you want to discuss the politics of tariffs, please go here:
    www.mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/63635/tariffs/p7"
    "No, you don't have to offer your solution to trade problems. This forum is for investing. Take it off-line with Raq. BB is not going to follow MFO into the mud-wrestling pit."
    What does any of that have to do with the ytd return on money market funds versus the S&P 500? But thanks for contributing to the mud you draw attention to.
    I don't need to spend my life in regulated space. If this forum is the only one that doesn't ban FD1000 for expressing his opinions I won't lose sleep. Might even get me to donate.
    I look at Big Bang from time to time. It reminds me of the early days of the 21st century. I think it's nice y'all have a safe place to chat.
    I drop in here because I subscribe to the data feed from Refinitiv. I should add that what Charles has done to make the data accessible is first rate work.
  • Tariffs
    (If you ask me, Queens, New York comes a lot closer to being who we are now.)
    I hope Krugman's economics are more thorough than his demographics. While Queens is often cited as the most diverse county in the country, that diversity is only, pardon the pun, skin deep.
    By one measure, Queens is the most segregated county in NYS, itself one of the most segregated states in the country.
    Yes, the impact of redlining is still felt.
    [Researchers] estimate that the [redlining maps] maps account for 15 to 30 percent of the overall gaps in segregation and homeownership that they find between “D” and “C” neighborhoods from 1950 to 2010 (the gaps between “D” and “A” neighborhoods are clearly even wider).
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/upshot/how-redlinings-racist-effects-lasted-for-decades.html
    Agriculture doesn't dominate employment for a variety of reasons including consolidation and mechanization. Likewise, even with "reindustrialization" manufacturing wouldn't dominate employment due to automation and increasingly "intelligent" factory floors.
  • Tariffs
    "There is, however, a lot of nostalgia for the 1950s and 1960s, when more than a quarter of U.S. workers were employed in manufacturing. Income inequality was much lower in that era; many blue-collar workers considered themselves middle-class. And there’s a widespread narrative that
    (a) attributes those good times for workers to the availability of well-paid jobs in manufacturing, and
    (b) attributes the relative decline of manufacturing to outsourcing and trade deficits."
    That was only true for white males. For the most part all women, Hispanics, Asians and of course African Americans were denied such opportunity. In addition, redlining of mortgage applications, "equal but separate" educations, and other vestiges of Jim Crow laws impaired income equality for a large part of the workforce. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were slow to come; currently both are under assault in (SCOTUS?) cases. As a 63 year old straight white male with a life-long physical handicap I, for one, am far from nostalgic for those days.
  • Moody's Downgraded US Debt From Aaa to Aa1
    Just waiting for tweet storm from DT, DEFUND Moody.
    I LOL'd at this, but then thought "Hmmm, he actually would".
    Today, Scott Bessent called Moody’s a ‘lagging indicator’ after U.S. credit downgrade.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/18/scott-bessent-calls-moodys-a-lagging-indicator-after-us-credit-downgrade.html
  • Tariffs
    Anent the fantasy of US "reindustrialization," Krugman today:
    The economy changes over time, and so do the industries in which people work. A century and a half ago, despite rising industry, America was still largely a nation of farmers; today hardly any of us work on the land:
    Oh, and many, possibly a majority of farm workers are foreign-born, with many of them undocumented.
    You don’t hear a lot of nostalgia for the days when agriculture dominated employment, although some politicians still portray rural areas and small towns as the “real America.” (If you ask me, Queens, New York comes a lot closer to being who we are now.)
    There is, however, a lot of nostalgia for the 1950s and 1960s, when more than a quarter of U.S. workers were employed in manufacturing. Income inequality was much lower in that era; many blue-collar workers considered themselves middle-class. And there’s a widespread narrative that
    (a) attributes those good times for workers to the availability of well-paid jobs in manufacturing, and
    (b) attributes the relative decline of manufacturing to outsourcing and trade deficits.
    But is this narrative right? It’s a simple, compelling story, but as I tried to explain to Clinton all those years ago, the math doesn’t work. To preview the conclusions: Even if we could somehow eliminate our trade deficit (which Trump’s tariffs won’t do, but that’s another story), America wouldn’t reindustrialize — our manufacturing sector would be slightly bigger, but nothing like what it used to be. And any wage gains for ordinary workers would be trivial at best. ...
  • Reality check (closed, this has sort of run its course)
    Big Bang is the place I go for investing chat.
    Big Bang has been directing the political dumpings here:
    "I may or may not moderate political posts (which most of these are) unless they are rabid, but I do encourage people to keep to the topic "Economic Impact of Tariffs". If you want to discuss the politics of tariffs, please go here:
    www.mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/63635/tariffs/p7"
    "No, you don't have to offer your solution to trade problems. This forum is for investing. Take it off-line with Raq. BB is not going to follow MFO into the mud-wrestling pit."
  • Any good sources for CEF performance in 2008? / Question answered. Thanks all!
    Thanks @Mark / @msf
    CEF Connect did the job (provided the fund existed in ‘08). Losses appear in line with how growth stock OEFs performed. The worst one of what I hold, UTF, lost 57% in ‘08. I’ll probably sell that one. Two I plan to add are FMY (+4.56%) and ETJ (+6.32%). And there were 3 decent performers which I currently own: GDL ( -8.45%), MMT (-9.61%), TSI (-6.32%). @msf is correct that MIN gained in ‘08. I’ve had that one on radar. But seems to have lagged cash for a decade or more.
    One of interest is MGF which invests in government paper and rose +26.29% in 2008. But it hasn’t kept pace with cash over the past decade. I suppose it might someday make a useful hedge. Perhaps even in the near future. :)
  • Tariffs
    Is it normal for the POTUS to instruct a retail company (Walmart) to eat tariffs that he was responsible for?
    As to FOTUS demanding companies bend to his tantrums on tariffs, pricing, and production locations
    WaPo:
    Trump’s view of his role was reflected in his recent comparison of the U.S. economy to a department store. “It’s a giant, beautiful store, and everybody wants to go shopping there,” he told Time magazine last month. “And on behalf of the American people, I own the store, and I set prices, and I’ll say, if you want to shop here, this is what you have to pay.”
    ...
    Trump is not the first president to take a direct hand in economic decisions, although that has generally happened when the country faced dire conditions.
    Franklin D. Roosevelt, scrambling to overcome the Great Depression, personally dictated the government’s daily price for gold, reportedly raising it by 21 cents on one occasion because that was a lucky number. Richard M. Nixon, worried that inflation would dampen his reelection prospects, imposed wage and price controls in 1971.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/05/18/trump-economy-tariffs-taxes-trade/
    Is it normal? No. Does it happen? Yes, under dire conditions. Though not when those dire conditions are self-induced (higher costs due to tariffs).
  • Any good sources for CEF performance in 2008? / Question answered. Thanks all!
    You may need to change the M* chart settings. It sometimes defaults to monthly frequency. Make sure that this is set to daily, then try it again.
    Also, make sure that you have selected the data type(s) that you want. NAV or price, with or without divs. Personally I prefer to include divs because without that I don't get a sense of total return.
    As an example, and to illustrate the impact of leverage in a down market, I charted (on M*) MIN (unleveraged) vs MMT (current leverage is around 1/4), from 12/28/2007 to 12/30/2008 - just to show that dates other than month's end can be used.
    MIN price only - 2.79%
    MIN NAV only - (4.55%)
    MIN price+div - 13.01%
    MIN NAV+div - 3.94%
    MMT price only - (15.28%)
    MMT NAV only - (15.71%)
    MMT price+div - (8.14%)
    MMT NAV + div - (9.61%)
    This is not to say that leverage doesn't help over the long term, but it can be deadly at times. From 12/28/2007 to now, the cumulative price+div returns are:
    MIN price+div - 111.82%
    MMT price+div - 247.87%
    Still, between 10/31/21 and 10/14/22, MMT (price+div) lost 30.47% while MIN lost "only" 17.88%. For perspective BNDW (Vanguard Total World Bond) lost 14.85%.
  • Tariffs
    You can learn from somebody else's mistakes. Watching these negotiations was a lesson in how not to approach a situation.
    Liberation day was a bust.
    On Friday, Trump claimed about 150 countries would soon receive letters “essentially telling” them of new US duty rates on their exports. Many learned of similar rates last month, only for the plan to change in a matter of days.
    Not much winning here.
    Well, at least he negotiated some shady deals in the Middle East for his family this past week. I'm sure he feels "liberated".
  • Any good sources for CEF performance in 2008? / Question answered. Thanks all!
    In most charting tools, using multiple tickers switches to %changes, while single tickers may display prices.
    StockCharts allows dates to 1985.
  • Interesting Chart - Fund Fee Trends for 2025
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    4 Fund Fee Trends to Watch in 2025
    Keep an eye on the growth of once-novel investment strategies and the industry’s push into higher-cost areas. Investors should continue seeking low-cost funds and avoid paying unnecessarily high fees for complicated products. Some higher-cost funds and ETFs may prove beneficial for investors, but any benefit should match the higher cost.
    https://morningstar.com/funds/4-fund-fee-trends-watch-2025
  • July MFO Ratings & Flows Posted
    Just posted all ratings and flows to MFO Premium site, using Refinitiv data drop from Friday, 16 May 2025.
  • Reality check (closed, this has sort of run its course)
    The IRA is mostly in SPAXX now,
    You might consider moving that to FZDXX ($10K min in IRA), though it would only have gotten you six extra basis points YTD. Almost enough to feel stupid about :-)
    Summary prospectus
  • Reality check (closed, this has sort of run its course)
    This post belongs in Other Investing as much as some other posts I have followed in recent months. Politics and investing (at least short term trading) seem to be fairly highly intertwined these days. I suspect it will take at least a few more months to get a reasonable sense for the intermediate term extent and impact of Trump's evolving tariff policies. Federal budget parameters should also become clearer during that time period. I have not touched my portfolio since early January and am not inclined to change that approach based on what I have observed so far this year. (YTD my portfolio is up 0.9% with 72% invested in stocks (per Fido).)
    Haven't touched the taxable account. It's doing pretty well since the largest positions are funds like DODGX, VWIGX, and DIVO. SEQUX has been the real star. Things should work out OK by the time all that is left to the kids. I'ld have to log in, and do some math to figure it all out since I'm at least 30% cash there, and I don't track that portion at M*. What I do track is up 2.84.
    I can't be that sanguine with the retirement fund since it's purpose is to keep me from funding retirement from selling off the taxable. I wouldn't have been happy watching it lurch from pillar to post with all of the Tariff Theater churn coming out of DC.
    The IRA is mostly in SPAXX now, so call it up 1.50 YTD, to save me from another login, and more math. M* tells me that SPY is up 1.69 YTD. Do I feel stupid missing out on that extra .0014? Oooh boy. I'll just have to grin and bear it. :)
    I won't even try to predict when I might feel safe getting a little riskier with the IRA. I am eying some bond funds with standard deviations below 1. Can't say that I have been tempted to spend any of the dry powder in the taxable either. Like Chairman Powell, I feel reasonably well postioned to watch things develop.
  • Tariffs
    Is it normal for the POTUS to instruct a retail company (Walmart) to eat tariffs that he was responsible for?
    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/17/trump-tells-walmart-to-eat-the-tariffs.html
    Normal for a mob boss, yeah.
    Is it me or did his tweet earlier today essentially say that China wasn't paying tariffs? So if they weren't, who was? Oh, right ... the American consumer. (But let's not talk about that, mmmksy?)