Why do you still own Bond Funds? Things in bond-land suck, these days. I'm hoping for just a 3% yield, lately
Then you're pretty much stuck with junk or an equity kicker. Otherwise you get that 3% yield at the expense of capital. That is, IG bond funds w/o equity get their yield by going long and losing value as rates rise.
This is what I've been able to find in terms of IG bond funds available to retail investors with a trailing 12 mo yield of at least 3%. Once one discards funds with significant equity states (allocation funds, target date funds), most of what's left are intermediate to long term funds with negative total return YTD.
Allocation 15%-30%: BLADX
Allocation (higher): NADCX (30%-50%), NADMX (50% - 70%), NDMAX (70%-85%), NDAAX (85%+)
Convertibles: SBFCX
Corporate: BYMIX, SIGYX
EM local currency: PYELX
HY muni: ETHYX (has IG portfolio)
Core bond: DUTMX (taxable munis), VKMGX
Core plus: AKGAX, MGBIX, CUGZX, FBDAX, PICYX, IICIX
Intermediate Gov: BTTRX (2025 zeros)
Long bond: DEEAX, RPLCX, VBLAX, VLTCX (corp.), VWESX
Muni long: VWALX, GUTEX
Short gov: IPFIX
Short bond: ANFLX, CSTBX, THOPX
Target date: NWHAX (2025), NWLAX (2035), NWMAX (2040), NWNAX (2045), NTDAX (2055), NWWRX (2060+)
World allocation: TEZIX
World bond: MPIFX
World bond, hedged: GBUSX, FGBFX
Best TIPS ETFs for Qtr 3 2021 (Article) I thought the difference in yield between the 10 year TIPS and regular 10 year Treasury Bonds quite astonishing,
“The 10-year TIPS spread as of May 18, 2021 is 2.52%. This means that 10-year TIPS have a yield 2.52% lower than the 10-year Treasury, so inflation would need to average 2.52% per year for the two to have the same returns.”ArticleHere’s a good
related Article from Morningstar:
TIPS Funds - Go Short or Go Long?
Holding non-Vanguard funds at Vanguard or Schwab It used to be that Vanguard provided access to institutional class shares of several funds at lower mins than at other brokerages. That's still true for Columbia funds. But other things have changed.
Vanguard offers Pimco institutional class shares (e.g. PDIIX) with a $2
5K min. This used to be better than other brokerages. Schwab used to require $100K. But
now Schwab requires only $2.
5K ($1K for IRAs).
Consider TIBIX. It has a $2.
5M min,. That's what Fidelity requires in taxable accounts. But Fidelity sells it to IRA investors with a $2
500 min.
Schwab requires that same $2
500 in a taxable account and just $1K in an IRA. Vanguard's mins are $100K (taxable and IRA).
For several years Fidelity has been making institutional shares of many funds available for low mins
in IRAs. That's not documented - you have to ask or set up test trades to find the funds. More recently, Schwab lowered mins on many funds including some institutional class shares.
For the most part, the trend at brokerages is for more choices at lower cost/mins. Beyond that, it's hard to generalize about one brokerage vs. another, as they're always in a state of flux.
Why do you still own Bond Funds? @hank. PRWCX. I see what you mean: $
50B. AUM. But at the moment, it's just 18% in fixed income. So, treat it as a stock-fund, yes? Which it purports to be, anyhow. Yes, Giroux has a magic sauce. He's got the Midas Touch. But at the same time, the likes of DODBX are outpacing PRWCX THIS year. Over the long haul, PRWCX has done better. I'm not so concerned about excellent bond performance in PRWCX. If I get a modicum of profit from the bonds in that fund, I'm happy. I'm not holding it for the bonds. I think that for anyone who knows what they're doing, they wouldn't hold that fund for the BONDS, either. Still, I like that it's a "balanced" fund, and can go up or down the scale, depending upon how the Manager reads the tea leaves.
Things in bond-land suck, these days. I'm hoping for just a 3% yield, lately. That feels like a bite in the ass. But I cannot, due to my risk tolerance--- given age and my status as a retiree--- hold more than I'm holding in STOCKS. Actually, the fund managers have me into more CASH than I'd like, so the stock-portion of the portfolio is a bit lower than desired. But on that score, I'll let them do the work for me. That's why they're there, eh?
MEMORIAL DAY, 2021:
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47380/in-flanders-fields
Convertible-Bond Sales Are Soaring in 2021—Often at 0% Interest / WSJ “Publicly traded companies are selling bonds that can convert into stock at a record pace this year, with nearly a third of those issuers paying nothing in interest, as they seek to take advantage of low rates and investors’ ravenous appetite for fast-growing firms.
So far this year, 97 U.S.-listed companies have issued $54.3 billion worth of convertible bonds, according to Dealogic, a data provider. That is the highest year-to-date volume ever—and 11% more than the amount raised at this point in 2020, which was a record-setting year for convertible-debt issuance.Bankers and advisers say the pace of issuance has been swift as inflation fears and the potential for rising interest rates have come to the front of many investors’ minds.
The terms have been so good for companies selling convertible debt that 28 of them are paying no interest on the bonds, the highest number since 2001. The average interest coupon on convertible debt in 2021 is 1.41%, the lowest on record. On average, this year’s crop of issuers will only need to convert bonds into stock if their share price rises 39% typically within a five-year period, the highest so-called conversion premium since 2003, according to Dealogic.”WSJ Saturday, May 29, 2021
AMC Shares Push Past 1,100% Yearly Gain, Driven by Individuals / WSJ “Shares of AMC Entertainment Holdings Inc. AMC finished Friday with their best weekly gain in four months, surging 116% for the week, in a rally that has once again astounded analysts, enriched individual investors and punished Wall Street traders betting against the company. The movie-theater chain, whose stock closed last year just above $2, finished Friday at $26.12, giving the shares a year-to-date gain of more than 1,100% and the company a market capitalization of nearly $11.8 billion. The rally marks an astounding turnaround for a company that last year was reeling from the coronavirus pandemic and trying to stave off bankruptcy.
Once again fueling this week’s rise: enthusiastic individual investors who have banded together on Reddit’s WallStreetBets forum, in Discord chat rooms and in text chains with friends. Throughout the week, hashtags including #AMCSTRONG and #AMCSqueeze splashed across Twitter, with many predicting more gains ahead. The chatter helped drive $209 million of net inflows into the stock from individual investors between Monday and Thursday, according to Vanda Research’s VandaTrack, more than 1
5 times the amount seen during the same period of April’s final week.”
WSJ Saturday May 29, 2021
Why do you still own Bond Funds? One factor I pay attention to is whether or not a fund is bloated. I've learned from others here that with BONDS, "bloated" means something different, than with stocks. I've read that bond funds are somehow able to handle monstrously gigantic amounts of AUM. I still remain wary..... Looking at my own:
PTIAX. $5.7B.
PRSNX. $1.6B.
RPSIX. $7.1B.
"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon, yer talking real money!" That quote originally referenced MILLIONS, not BILLIONS, and so there's a double entendre, there. The "youngsters" here might not remember that far back.
But those PIMCO funds, yikes! I can't imagine how they can keep their arms around all that money....
Holding non-Vanguard funds at Vanguard or Schwab
Heavy Inflows into Equity Funds Continue in latest week “Heavy inflows into equity funds continue, with the $17.9 billion in the latest week bringing 2021’s total to $512 billion, according to a report from Bank of America’s strategy team, led by Michael Hartnett. In fact, the amount that the bank’s own private clients poured into equities was the fourth-biggest since 2012.”From
Up & Down Wall Street,
Randall Forsyth -
Barron’s May 31, 2021
Holding non-Vanguard funds at Vanguard or Schwab Aside from Vanguard funds, there are funds from other fund families where Vanguard sells a cheaper share class than you can get at Fidelity/Schwab/TDA. For example, Columbia Thermostat is easy to buy anywhere, but Vanguard sells the cheaper COTZX class I shares. They're even NTF with a low ($2K/$3K) min.
(About 1/3 of the funds returned from a M* search I ran were Columbia funds, so if you care about getting a cheaper share class of Vanguard
or Columbia funds, you might want to seriously consider VBS.)
Then there are other funds that Vanguard sells but retail investors can't get (any share class) at the other brokerages. For example, GEQIX and TSYNX/TSYIX
M* lists of brokers:
COTZX:
http://financials.morningstar.com/fund/purchase-info.html?t=COTZXGEQIX:
http://financials.morningstar.com/fund/purchase-info.html?t=GEQIXTSYNX:
http://financials.morningstar.com/fund/purchase-info.html?t=TSYNXTSYIX:
http://financials.morningstar.com/fund/purchase-info.html?t=TSYIXM*'s brokerage data is not the most reliable part of its database, so I checked each of the sample funds above.
I ran the following screen on M*. It returned 2
58 share classes, at least some of which were wrong (e.g. CGM funds are no longer available at Vanguard. The screen returned all
three surviving CGM funds.)
(Brokerage Availability = Vanguard TF
or Brokerage Availability = Vanguard NTF)
and (Brokerage Availability not = Schwab All (Retail, Instl, Retirement))
and (Brokerage Availability not = Schwab OneSource & NTF (No Load & No Transaction Fee))
and (Brokerage Availability not = Fidelity Retail FundsNetwork)
and (Brokerage Availability not = Fidelity Retail FundsNetwork-NTF)
and (Minimum Initial Purchase <=
50000)
Why do you still own Bond Funds? @Crash, yes and no. Someone can do pretty well with minimal changes. I held PIMIX about 7-8 years. I held one HY Muni for 3 years. In the last several years I invested mostly in HY Munis + special securitized bond within Multi/NonTrad.
So, I babysit it because I love it and it works pretty well but someone can make 1-2 changes annually and still do well. Many have no problem trading stocks/ETF/CEFs many times annually but somehow it can't be done with bonds or believe that bonds have only one category.
Bonds are the true simple mainstream ballast to stocks and when you go deeper into several bond categories you will find they can do even more and have different correlation too.
Sure, I used to be many years in stock funds at 8
5-100% but as I got older and especially in retirement I learned a lot more about bonds.
China Warns Global Asset Bubble Could Burst “Almost three months after markets stumbled when after China’s top banking regulator said he’s ‘very worried’ about risks emerging from bubbles in global financial markets (and China's property sector) sparking concerns about further tightening in the world’s second-biggest economy and slamming risk assets, China has done it again and on Saturday Liang Tao, vice chairman of China Banking and Insurance Regulatory Commission, said at the International Finance Forum in Beijing that recent interest rate hikes by emerging economies could lead to a bursting of global financial asset bubbles which have been made even bigger by unprecedented pandemic easing measures by developed countries (i.e., Biden's trillions).
And just in case it wasn't clear whose fault this is, Tao added that developed countries are sticking with ultra-low rates even as emerging economies raised their borrowing costs, ‘potentially resulting in the re-pricing of global assets.’ In short, China is already pre-emptively pointing the finger at the US and western central banks as the parties responsible not only for bursting the biggest asset bubble in history, but for creating it in the first place.”(Take this for what it’s worth. ISTM a few members here have voiced similar concerns and / or divested themselves of some risk assets over past year.)
Source:
Related How China Could Derail the Commodities Super-Cycle - Barron’s May 28, 2021
“A few words from the Chinese government can go a long way. A one-sentence statement on May 23 promised “zero tolerance” for “abnormal transactions and malicious speculation” in commodities markets. The local price of iron ore and steel promptly tanked by 7%.That isn’t the end of the story. If China can’t quite command world metals prices, it can certainly slam the brakes on the new commodities supercycle many investors are counting on.
“Net long positions on commodities of all types are at a 25-year high globally, says Arthur Budaghyan, chief emerging markets strategist at BCA Research. Developments in Beijing could mean a lot of those bulls get burned. “Over the next six months, metals will move significantly below current levels,” he says. Such a slump would also drag down highflying mining stocks such as Vale (VALE), Glencore (GLEN.UK) and Anglo American (AAL.UK).”May not
link.
Why do you still own Bond Funds? My usual comments:
Not all bonds are higher-rated bonds. Bonds have several unique categories with different ballast, volatility and market conditions.
Treasuries are a great ballast but terrible in rising rates. Bank loans are much better in rising rates. Munis are not as "safe" as treasuries but behave differently + give you Fed free tax. HY Munis is another option. Several Leveraged CEFs have similar risk/reward to stocks. Then you have Multi sectors funds where the managers MAY maneuver market condition better. So why all/most analysts/articles talk about treasuries is beyond me.
On the other hand stocks globally are correlated a lot more.
Many retirees I know who have enough, including me, don't care as much about performance as they care about volatility.
So, it depends on what you want to achieve and your style/goals. My portfolio is mostly bonds all the time except quick stocks/CEFs trading, something like 10/90. My portfolio performance in the last 3 years exceeded our need by 3 times with SD=2.42. I never lost more than 1% from any last top for at least 3-4 years.
Easy example: for 6 months...VBTLX(US Index) lost -2.3%...NVHAX(HY Muni shorter term) +7.55%...NHMAX(HY Muni longer term) +8.8%.
Bottom line: when someone tells you bonds are bad, they obviously don't know enough about bonds.