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  • Variable Annuities - Fidelity and TIAA
    These are two of the least expensive and most flexible VAs around. Fidelity charges 0.25% and 0.10% for over $1M in the VA. TIAA charges anywhere from 0.50% (under $100K) to 0.35% (up to $500K) and 0.25% (over $500K). But all those go down to 0.10% independent of value after ten years.
    Fidelity tends to include the second cheapest share class of VA portfolios (think "retail") while TIAA tends to include the cheapest share class (think "institutional"). All in, the two have similar costs for the first ten years, then TIAA becomes much cheaper.
    The real question, though, is how their underlying portfolios perform. I've looked up (via Financial Times search) all the portfolios open to new investors. Below is the table I built for myself (slightly edited for formatting here). Note: the M* ratings are for the portfolios themselves.
    On the VAs' websites you'll find different ratings. That's because what you're seeing are there the ratings of the funds including the annuity fees. Since the annuity fees of both of these VAs are so low, those star ratings tend to be mostly 4s and 5s. The ratings of the funds themselves, included here, give a better picture of the funds' performance.
    Since there are so many funds, I've split the table into two posts - broad equity in the first, sectors and fixed income in the second.
    Fund					Class	ER	Ticker		M* 	Lipper	Annuity
    Allocation Portfolios
    Conservative Allocation
    Fidelity VIP FundsManager 20 Inv. 0.55% 0P00003EYS 4 3/2/5/5 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP FundsManager 30 Inv. 0.57% 0P0001Q617 - - Fidelity
    Moderately Conservative Allocation
    Fidelity VIP FundsManager 40 Inv. 0.62% 0P0001Q618 - - Fidelity
    Franklin Income VIP Cl 1 0.46% 0P00003BNK 5 4/3/4/5 TIAA
    Nuveen Life Funds Balanced 0.51% TLBAX 5 4/4/4/5 TIAA
    Vanguard VIF Conservative Alloc. 0.13% 0P0000TNLX 4 5/5/5/5 TIAA
    Moderate Allocation
    Fidelity VIP Asset Manager Inv. 0.61% 0P00003ESQ 2 3/3/4/4 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Balanced Inv. 0.51% 0P00003ESS 5 5/5/2/5 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP FundsManager 50 Inv. 0.70% 0P00003EYT 3 4/3/4/4 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP FundsManager 60 Inv. 0.71% 0P00008YBH 3 2/2/3/4 Fidelity
    Vanguard VIF Balanced Portfolio 0.21% 0P00003BRZ 4 5/5/3/5 TIAA
    Vanguard VIF Moderate Alloc. 0.13% 0P0000TNLY 3 4/4/3/5 TIAA
    Moderately Aggressive Allocation
    Fidelity VIP Asset Manager: Growth Inv. 0.72% 0P00003ESP 3 3/3/2/4 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP FundsManager 70 Inv. 0.74% 0P00003EYU 3 4/4/2/4 Fidelity
    Aggressive Allocation
    Fidelity VIP FundsManager 85 Inv. 0.78% 0P00003EYW 4 4/4/1/4 Fidelity
    Target Date
    Fidelity VIP Investor Freedom 2010 0.44% 0P00003ET2 3 x/x/5/x Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Investor Freedom 2015 0.48% 0P00003ET4 4 x/x/5/x Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Investor Freedom 2020 0.51% 0P00003ET3 5 4/4/4/4 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Investor Freedom 2025 0.54% 0P00003ET5 5 5/5/3/4 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Investor Freedom 2030 0.58% 0P00003ET6 5 5/5/2/4 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Investor Freedom 2035 0.63% 0P0001OWHR - - Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Investor Freedom 2040 0.68% 0P0001OWHT - - Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Investor Freedom 2045 0.69% 0P0001OWHU - - Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Investor Freedom 2050 0.69% 0P0001OWHV - - Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Investor Freedom Inc. 0.40% 0P00003ET8 3 2/2/5/5 Fidelity
    Tactical Allocation
    Morgan Stanley VIF Global Strat. Cl. I 0.90% MIMPX 3 2/2/2/3 Fidelity
    PIMCO VIT All Asset Portfolio Inst. 2.04% 0P00003EXR 3 3/4/4/1 TIAA
    Global Allocation
    BlackRock Global Allocation VI Cl. 2 0.92% 0P00003E89 4 3/3/3/3 Fidelity
    DFA VA Global Moderate Allocation Inst. 0.28% 0P0000XY87 5 5/5/4/5 TIAA
    US Equity Portfolios
    Large Cap Blend
    ClearBridge Variable Growth Port. Cl. I 0.85% QLMGOX 1 1/2/2/3 TIAA
    DFA Equity Allocation Inst. 0.32% 0P00019RXP 2 5/5/4/5 TIAA
    Fidelity VIP Growth & Income Inv. 0.57% 0P00003ES4 4 5/5/5/4 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Index 500 Init. 0.09% 0P00003BWH 4 5/5/5/5 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Total Market Index Init. 0.11% FVIDX 3 4/4/4/5 Fidelity
    Nuveen Life Core Equity Fund 0.52% TLGWX 4 5/5/4/5 TIAA
    Nuveen Life Large Cap Resp. Equity 0.22% TLCHX 3 3/3/4/5 TIAA
    Nuveen Life Stock Index Fund 0.08% TLSTX 3 4/5/4/5 TIAA
    Vanguard VIF Capital Growth Port. 0.34% 0P00003DVM 4 4/4/5/5 TIAA
    Vanguard VIF Equity Index 0.14% 0P00003BS4 4 5/5/5/5 TIAA
    Vanguard VIF Total Stock Mkt Index 0.13% 0P00003DVK 3 4/4/4/5 TIAA
    Large Cap Growth
    Fidelity VIP Contrafund Inv. 0.64% 0P00003ESR 4 4/4/4/4 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Dynamic Cap Apprec. Inv. 0.70% 0P00003ESX 4 4/4/4/4 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Growth Inv. 0.65% 0P00003ES7 5 5/5/4/5 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Growth Opportunities Inv. 0.67% 0P00003ES3 4 5/5/1/5 Fidelity
    Janus Henderson VIT Forty Port. Inst. 0.55% JACAX 3 3/4/3/5 TIAA
    MFS VIT Mass. Inv. Growth Stock Port. Init. 0.73% 0P00003CPY 3 3/3/4/4 TIAA
    Nuveen Life Growth Equity Fund 0.52% TLGQX 3 2/3/3/5 TIAA
    PSF PGIM Jennison Blend Portfolio Cl. II 0.86% 0P00003CBD 3 2/1/4/2 TIAA
    Large Cap Value
    DFA VA Large Value Portfolio Inst. 0.21% 0P00003CUU 2 2/2/3/5 TIAA
    Fidelity VIP Equity-Income Inv. 0.55% 0P00003ESO 4 4/5/5/5 Fidelity
    Franklin Mutual Shares VIP Cl. 1 0.68% 0P00003CBB 1 1/1/4/4 TIAA
    Nuveen Life Large Cap Value Fund 0.52% TLLVX 4 4/4/4/5 TIAA
    PSF PGIM Jennison Value Portfolio Cl. II 0.82% 0P00003DP6 3 3/4/5/2 TIAA
    PVC Equity Income Account Cl. 1 0.49% 0P00003CN9 3 3/2/4/5 TIAA
    Mid Cap Blend
    Fidelity VIP Mid Cap Inv. 0.65% 0P00003ESF 4 5/5/3/5 Fidelity
    Vanguard VIF Mid-Cap Index 0.17% 0P00003C89 3 3/2/3/5 TIAA
    Mid Cap Growth
    Franklin Small-Mid Cap Growth VIP Cl. 1 0.83% 0P00003DB4 3 2/3/1/4 TIAA
    PVC MidCap Account Cl. 1 0.55% 0P00003BO4 5 5/3/3/5 TIAA
    Wanger Acorn 0.95% WUSAX 2 1/1/1/3 TIAA
    Mid Cap Value
    Fidelity VIP Value Inv. 0.68% 0P00003ESN 4 5/5/3/4 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Value Strategies Inv. 0.67% 0P00003ESM 4 5/5/2/4 Fidelity
    Janus Henderson VIT Mid-Cap Value Inst. 0.68% JAMVX 3 3/2/4/5 TIAA
    Matson Money U.S. Equity VI Port. 0.98% FMVUX 4 4/4/3/1 TIAA
    N-B AMT Mid Cap Intrinsic Value Cl. I 1.02% 0P00003CPW 1 1/1/2/3 TIAA
    Small Cap Blend
    Fidelity VIP Disciplined Small Cap Inv. 0.40% 0P00003EWG 3 5/5/2/5 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Extended Market Index Init. 0.12% FVIJX 3 3/3/1/5 Fidelity
    Nuveen Life Small Cap Equity Fund 0.53% TLEQX 4 5/5/2/5 TIAA
    Small Cap Growth
    ClearBridge Variable Small Cap Gr Cl. I 0.80% QLMSIX 2 1/1/1/5 TIAA
    Small Cap Value
    DFA VA U.S. Targeted Value Port. Inst. 0.29% 0P00003D0Y 4 5/5/1/5 TIAA
    Macquarie VIP Small Cap Value Ser. Std. 0.78% 0P00003C1W 3 3/2/1/4 TIAA
    Royce Capital Fund - Sm Cap Port. Inv. 1.15% RCPFX 3 3/3/1/1 TIAA
    International Equity
    Diversified Emerging Markets
    Fidelity VIP Emerging Markets Inv. 0.97% 0P0000A9FS 4 5/5/2/4 Fidelity
    John Hancock Emerg Mkts Val Trust NAV 1.03% JHVTX 3 4/4/4/4 TIAA
    Lazard Retir. Emerging Markets Port. Inv. 1.15% 0P00005XR9 3 4/2/3/3 Fidelity
    Morgan Stanley VIF Emerg. Mkts Eq. Cl. I 1.25% MEMEX 3 4/4/2/2 Fidelity
    Templeton Developing Mkts VIP Fund Cl. 1 1.10% 0P00003CRI 3 4/4/2/3 TIAA
    Foreign Large Blend
    Fidelity VIP International Index Init. 0.16% FVIGX 3 3/4/4/5 Fidelity
    Nuveen Life International Equity 0.60% TLINX 3 4/3/3/4 TIAA
    Vanguard VIF Total Intl Stk Mkt Indx 0.11% 0P0001ANO3 3 3/3/4/5 TIAA
    Foreign Large Growth
    Fidelity VIP International Cap Ap Inv. 0.86% 0P00003ESC 5 5/5/3/3 Fidelity
    Fidelity VIP Overseas Inv. 0.81% 0P00003ESH 4 5/5/3/5 Fidelity
    Vanguard VIF International Port. 0.33% 0P00003CRA 3 4/2/1/5 TIAA
    Foreign Large Value
    DFA VA International Value Port. Inst. 0.27% 0P00003CY8 4 5/5/3/5 TIAA
    Foreign Small/Mid Blend
    DFA VA International Small Port. Inst. 0.40% 0P00003CN3 4 x/x/2/x TIAA
    Foreign Small/Mid Growth
    Wanger International 1.14% WSCAX 2 x/x/1/x TIAA
    Foreign Small/Mid Value
    Matson Money Int'l Equity VI Port. 1.14% FMVIX 3 3/3/3/1 TIAA
    Global Large Cap Blend
    Invesco V.I. Global Core Equity Ser. I 0.98% 0P00003CZL 2 2/2/3/2 Fidelity
    MFS VIT Global Equities Series Init. 0.92% 0P00003D4V 2 2/2/3/3 TIAA
  • Finominal.com's Review of Vanguard's Primecap Fund [VPMCX]
    In general I like the primecap funds; we've owned POAGX - Primecap Odyssey Aggressive Growth since 7/2013. It has underperformed for the last few years, but we're continuing to hold it. (By 'underperform' I mean it has still made money, just not as much as if we had instead invested in a broad-based market index fund, such as VTSAX or VRTTX.)
    I have to disagree with the statement that VPMCX has underperformed since 2006. According to my analysis it has underperformed since 6/2018, but it outperformed prior to that.
  • Finominal.com's Review of Vanguard's Primecap Fund [VPMCX]
    I found the site about a week ago. Seemed reasonably good. Was planning to poke around a bit more before mentioning it.
    Regarding VPM[AC]X - Finormal says "The suggested benchmark for VPMAX is the Russell 3000." That's reasonable since Primecap is more of an all cap fund. Its median market cap (per M*) is $188B, while R3K's is around $190B.
    Here's Finominal's comparison of VPMAX and VRTTX (institutional R3K index fund) since the latter's inception in 2010. (Finominal says it is comparing the past 14.1 years which is quite a trick since VRTTX's inception was Nov 1, 2010 per prospectus.)
    https://finominal.com/securities-analyzer-analyze/US/VPMAX/VRTTX
    VPMAX looks a little better - 1.5% better annualized return, similar (slightly worse) std dev (17.91 vs. 17.43), slightly smaller max drawdown, slightly better Sharpe ratio (0.83 vs. 0.77).
    And it has done that with a healthy dose of foreign equity. 13% per Finominal (11% + 2% EM).
  • Powell: “The time has come ... “
    He emphasized inflation "expectations" several times - it's monitoring or anchoring.
    I see 2 common quantitative measures for "expectations":
    1. Inflation-"expectation" = Nominal Treasury yield - TIPS yield.
    FRED has data for 1, 2, 5, 10, 20+ years; chart below is for 5 years.
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1t0dr
    2. Fed fund futures rate "expectations" that are based on trader's expectations as indicated by futures quoted around future FOMC Meetings. In the link below, click on Probabilities on the side panel.
    https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/interest-rates/cme-fedwatch-tool.html
    Then there are lots of opinions floating around - I don't pay much attention to those.
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    FWIW, in our IL 529 plan, I relied mostly on balanced option thinking that I couldn't tweak things myself (1-2 trade per year rule; but can redirect new contributions). Basically untouched for 20+ years, it does add up.
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    I have done more than that and never lost more than 1% from any last top since retiring in 2018.
    The "secrets" are 1) Mostly owning 2-3 bond funds at a huge % 2) switching bond fund = good timing 3) avoiding market losses.
    There's no easy way to do it with low volatility. It took me over 20 years to master my system.
    See how I did it at (link).
    tyvm
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    Hi @larryB
    One item that tempers folks from getting crazy with flipping monies in a 529 is the first set of 'rules' established by the gov't. regarding 529's. ONLY 1 change/exchange per calendar year to investment sectors. A few years ago, this was expanded to 2 portfolio changes/exchanges of holdings per calendar year. And of course, the investment style choices are the more standard choices. No exotic stuff.
    If you're curious, a LIST of investment styles/choices at the Utah 529. Mostly Vanguard, some DFA and some state choices.
    They're almost 'free' with some .02 ER's. There are also small, periodic administrative charges ($15), which is common with 529's.
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    Hi @yogibearbull
    I probably should have clarified a bit more.
    --- The Utah 529 Educational Saving Plan LINK
    --- We didn't care for the vendor of the Michigan 529 plan at the time (2006). We missed the state tax deduction that would have been available; but we are very pleased with the Utah 529. A very well operated program with a lot of investment choices. One may choose established mixes by age; or as we did, and we built our own choices.
    --- The annual re-balance is a feature of the Utah 529 contract. I don't really care for this aspect; as we would prefer to let the gains remain for the equity and bond portions. We've not asked, but suspect the program wants to temper the portfolio from becoming lopsided. But, this has worked out okay over the long time frame.
    --- We did NOT need to use an advisor
    --- And yes about Secure Act 2.0. As everything stands at this time, monies will move to the beneficiary Roth IRA (per the $35k total and the annual maximum at this time). The Roth has been active for more than 5 years. Even with the possibility of a costly Master's program, the return on the investments currently is running ahead far enough for such an expense.
    NOTE: the symbols shown previous have changed (per Vanguard) two times during our investment period in these holdings. But, the fund descriptions have NOT changed. VITPX and VBMPX are still valid symbols.
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    @catch22: the 50/50 equity/bond portfolio is reset to 50/50 each September, per the contract
    Unclear what kind of "contract"? Did you use one of the 2 annual exchanges allowed to rebalance, or a 529 advisor did it for you?
    Was 529 all used up? SECURE 2.0 allows some residual funds (in 15+ year old 529 for funds in account for 5+ years) to be transferred to beneficiary's Roth IRA.
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    Catch. I like that a lot. At the end of the 18 years it probably beats chasing the fund of the hour every month. Less work, less stress , less second guessing yourself. My old man used to say, “you can second guess yourself to death Sonny boy !” Of course that plan would be highly regarded over at bogleheads and not be part of the MFO lifestyle. After all isn’t MFO all about finding “the best” funds and perpetually moving from one to the next as things inevitably change? Just sayin.
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    A real world example of a very lazy portfolio using two index funds.
    Criteria:
    --- 529 education account, open for 18 years
    --- inception, May 2006
    --- self directed with self choice(s) of investment sectors
    --- 13 years of contributions (1st and 15th of each month) = $ cost averaging
    --- 5 years to date; no additional contributions
    --- the 50/50 equity/bond portfolio is reset to 50/50 each September, per the Utah 529 contract
    The institutional funds (for 529 accounts) are VITPX (U.S. Total stock market) and VBMPX (U.S. Total IG bond market). All distributions reinvested in the fund(s).
    The annualized returns data are from Vanguard, M* and the 529 account.
    --- annualized 15 year combined return = 8.125%
    --- YTD return = 10.47%
    Remain curious,
    Catch
  • Buy Sell Why: ad infinitum.
    I sold out of GQGIX after a 20% run up since a 4Q23 purchase. It feels a bit rich, and certainly has gotten quite big for an EM fund at ~$23B AUM. An 11% allocation to NVDA/AVGO certainly provided a boost over the past 2 years, but could also serve as a boat anchor if/when NVDA orders start to slow.
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    ...also interesting that no one has mentioned bitcoin...are we just a bunch of older dudes fighting the last war or are we going to open our minds and skate to where the puck is headed not where it is and has been?
    Looking forward for this exercise, I am considering "continuity of fund managers", what are their ages and what is the bench strength and financial soundness of the fund company?

    What is this "bitcoin" you speak of?
    As regards fund managers, I keep looking at AQR funds. They stunk it up a few years back, and then changed out a bunch of their managers. Since then, they have been performing very well. Can they be trusted?
    HMEZX - a super steady merger-arb fund, but the Fund Manager (Dondero) has a checkered past. Is there hidden risk there?
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    I have done more than that and never lost more than 1% from any last top since retiring in 2018.
    The "secrets" are 1) Mostly owning 2-3 bond funds at a huge % 2) switching bond fund = good timing 3) avoiding market losses.
    There's no easy way to do it with low volatility. It took me over 20 years to master my system.
    See how I did it at (link).
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    I noticed nobody has proposed for consideration a portfolio solely made up of ETFs...kind of surprising as there are many model portfolio's like that floating out there..."The Lazy Portfolio", the three ETF portfolio, etc...
    Also find it interesting that some are looking at past results as a comparison...last 15 years relatively low inflation until recently...also tremendous fiscal and monetary stimulus. Who knows that the future holds...some of you might remember a few years ago when I mentioned high grade rubies, you can fit a million dollar of them in your sock and no one would know..also interesting that no one has mentioned bitcoin...are we just a bunch of older dudes fighting the last war or are we going to open our minds and skate to where the puck is headed not where it is and has been?
    Looking forward for this exercise, I am considering "continuity of fund managers", what are their ages and what is the bench strength and financial soundness of the fund company? Maybe need some international exposure as what if dollar weakens substantially?
    What other inputs are folks pondering that maybe haven't been discussed yet?
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    Excellent topic @JD_co
    As you realize, PRPFX wasn’t a recommendation. But I was struck by how close that +6.98% was to your hypothetical 7% goal. Like you, I prefer to diversify well beyond a single fund - no matter how good it is. The biggest problem, I think, is that shorter term (5-10 years) anything can happen, and so trying to extrapolate future return armed only with a decade’s historical performance is tough and might not lead to your desired result.
    As a very conservative investor, I use 3 funds only for trying to gage daily volatility and yearly return. They are not benchmarks. They are not goals. They are simply markers for what I think a conservative investor might reasonably expect to earn over time with very limited volatility. I do not own any of these.
    AOK - Globally diversified. 30% equity / 70% fixed income. Relies on index funds. Low ER
    TRRIX - A fund of funds from T. Rowe Price. 40% equity / 60% fixed income. Moderate ER
    ABRZX - An “alternative” style investment from Invesco. Stocks, bonds, commodities (including precious metals). Attempts to hedge market risk using derivatives. ER exceeds 1%
    Over the past 15 years the 3 have averaged +5.40% annually. TRRIX led the pack with a slightly better 6.07% return over that period. Sound bad? For some perspective I compared that number to T. Rowe’s short-term bond fund PRWBX. It has returned +1.86% annually over the same period.
    *** I should have checked VWINX, arguably the gold standard, for conservative funds. True to form VWINX has topped all three of my afore mentioned tracking funds with a +7.06 15 year average return. However, not that much better thanPRPFX’s +6.98% return over the same period. Personally, I’d pick PRPFX over VWINX, being willing to sacrifice the 0.08% advantage enjoyed by VWINX for better inflation protection.
  • A Conservative portfolio design
    Would you settle for only 6.98%? That’s the annualized return of PRPFX over 15 years according to M*. If I were going to own just one fund, that would be my choice. Over that 15 year period the fund’s worst year was 2008 when it lost -8.36%. Its best year was 2003 when it gained +20.45%. (These numbers came from Yahoo Finance.)
  • Follow up to my Schwab discussion
    My son just opened TRP acct. Everything went smoothly until attempting to link his credit union acct with TRP. Sorry, we are unable.... Feces.
    He STILL refuses to get a credit card. Prefers cash and debit card. Dunno if that factors in.

    An entire generation has been conditioned to think debit cards = credit cards. I would never use a debit card for everyday purchases primarily since the consumer protections are not as strong as they are on credit cards.
    People forget that if you responsibily pay your credit card bills off every month, it's no different than using a debit card (from our perspective) ... but that means banks are paying more for interchange fees and consumer protections, plus they're not making $$ from you on interest or potential overdraft fees and stores hate paying banks to accept credit cards. So it's no wonder why banks (and stores) prefer people use debit v credit.

    I have a CC and debit card. Here's something I read online years ago, that I never thought of, and why I NEVER use my debit card for online purchases:
    When using a CC, if there's some problem -- no matter who's at fault -- you have plenty of time to dispute it, and you don't have to pay it until it's settled.
    With a debit card the purchase comes out of your bank account immediately. If there's some problem with the purchase and even if it's in your favor, you have to get the money BACK from the vendor -- which may or may not be a PITA.
    The best thing is to not get a debit card at all to avoid any and all risk to the attached account. While a debit card is typically the default, most banks will, upon request, issue a plain vanilla ATM card. It can only be used to withdraw cash (with a PIN) and cannot be used to make purchases.
  • New Morningstar Site in Late-August
    [...]
    3. Status of M* Discussions - it's nowhere on the new M* Home, but does continue as a separate site hosted by Salesforce under the M* label.
    So, the new M* website rollout was fine and there were no problems as were feared just a few days ago.

    Regarding the current status of M* Discussions, I say good riddance. Until a few years ago it was a terrific site, but its now become the primary domain of a single poster.
    More or less totally useless to serious investors, unfortunately. Excepting, of course, yogi's contributions.
  • Preparing your Portfolio for Rate Cuts
    @hank, I would hesitate to call any duration bond fund as a "hedge." It is a volatility damper or ballast, but IMHO only cash or T-bills or a skilled execution of a puts/shorts/options strategy constitutes a true "hedge".
    It’s probably age showing. We old folks have a tendency to live in the past. However, in 2008 I was happy to hold Price’s GNMA fund (PRGMX). It rose +5.62% that year while the S&P tumbled about - 38%. PRGMX also posted returns in the vicinity of 6% in the year before (2007) and the year after (2009). I don’t have the fund’s duration at the time, it’s typically about a 5-7 years. Even better was Price’s Long-Term Treasury Bond Index (PRULX) which rose +23% in 2008. Tell me longer dated high quality bonds aren’t a good equity hedge.
    If you’re wondering how cash performed back then, 2008 began with the FOMC overnight lending rate at 3.5% and ended with the rate at 2.0%.