Trump Calls For Review Of Rule Requiring RMDs At 70 1/2 How successful have such tax deferred plans been at their original intention of providing ordinary Americans with a secure retirement?
These numbers (from 2017) would suggest not very successful. If all retirees have to go with this is SS (no pension or employer provided health insurance), it would be tough living another 20-30
years on those amounts - even if savvy investors and even if the current exuberant market were to continue bubbling along.
Remember that these are
tax deferred amounts - meaning a chunk of these savings will go to covering the deferred taxes upon withdrawal.
2017 Average 401K Retirement Plan TotalsUnder age 25
Average 401(k) account balance: $4,773
Average 401(k) savings rate: 4.8 percent
Age 25 to 34
Average 401(k) account balance: $24,728
Average 401(k) savings rate: 5.9 percent
Age 35 to 44
Average 401(k) account balance: $68,935
Average 401(k) savings rate: 6.3 percent
Age 45 to 54
Average 401(k) account balance: $129,051
Average 401(k) savings rate: 7 percent
Age 55 to 64
Average 401(k) account balance: $190,505
Average 401(k) savings rate: 8.3 percent
Age 65 plusAverage 401(k) account balance: $209,984
Average 401(k) savings rate: 9 percent
https://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/401ks/articles/2018-07-23/are-your-retirement-savings-ahead-of-the-curveAbove numbers based on a survey of actual 401K plan participants. Considering that fewer than half of all U.S. workers participate in a 401K plan (for a variety of reasons) the picture looks even bleaker.
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/06/19/does-the-average-american-have-a-401k.aspx
Fido's Sept. 2018 C.G. distribution estimates & payable dates (only Sept) for a few funds These are not very early estimates of the annual distributions, but of Sept. distributions. Some Fidelity funds typically distribute gains in Sept and again in December.
It seems that in addition to HAINX, we have a couple more examples of what can happen when a new manager (even from the same management company) takes over a fund and turns its portfolio upside down. (I thought Fidelity was trying to get away from that.)
FDGFX - 14.75% distribution - M* writes "Gordon Scott officially took over in January 2018"
FCPVX - 18.82% distribution - M* writes: "The fund has undergone two manager transitions in recent years."
Trump Calls For Review Of Rule Requiring RMDs At 70 1/2 IMHO, the suggested rationale that RMDs be eliminated (or at least pushed back a few years, say, to age 75) because some people (a) are working now so don't need the money (b) will need the benefit of longer tax deferrals on those few years of RMDs they take before they retire, is a red herring.
If that really is a problem, it can be easily addressed without making broad changes in RMDs that affect everyone.
To some extent, it is already addressed. If someone over 70 works for an employer that offers a retirement plan accepting rollovers, the worker need just transfer the IRAs into the retirement plan. That gets rid of any RMD so long as the person continues working for the employer.
"The vast majority would still need to withdraw money on a regular cadence but allowing the untapped portion to further compound." Those workers in this "vast majority" withdraw money (RMDs or more) on a regular cadence and leave the rest of the IRA untapped to further compound. Done! That's the way things work now.
For the few (the "unvast minority"?) who don't need any money while working, they pay their taxes on the modest annual RMDs ("tax a little now") for a few years while they continue to work. They're not required to spend those RMDs. So they move their RMDs to taxable accounts, where they "benefit from additional time for their investments to compound"
There's no need to create more opportunities to abuse the system, merely to address what is to a large extent (i.e. for the "vast majority") not a problem. And for the few who are substantially affected, there are more targeted ways of helping them.