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  • John Waggoner: Morningstar Evolving Well Beyond Its Origins Analyzing Mutual Funds
    Not sure about the if/what/why of the "data feeds". As far as usable website is concerned this is the problem between "Computer Science" and "Information Technology". The former is based on facts and logic, while the latter is almost entirely based on horseshit.
    Companies whose primary business is not IT are trolled by IT providers who always want to tell you to revamp your IT software and hardware infrastructure because it is not "modern" or "cloud ready" or whatever the F is the flavor of the day. I thought "Web 2.0" was dead but then M* has finally woken up to it. I guess they were just waiting for their executives to be wined and dined by software companies and shown a good time in Vegas - Standard Operating Procedure - before it was agreed they needed to make changes to their website. You see a great jazzy website means you can then value yourself as a "tech" company, regardless of what your business is.
    Basically it IT industry is creating something, so now everyone has to use it. What you did 3 years back is already out of date. You see you have to be "competitive" so you have to keep spending. And oh by the way, let us tell you a secret - since we know we will convince you to move to the next version of the software soon enough, we never have to get anything right, because we will be in a perpetual cycle of upgrades to the software. And you will also be doing "Agile" development with "Devops". PERMANENTLY!
    Anyone still remember Scottrade website? The simplicity of it? The fact that it hardly changed over 20 years? Because it did not really need too? If the new M* website was toilet paper, I still wouldn't use it.
  • Bond fund dilemma
    @msf makes some good points. Playing the bond market isn’t my game. But a case can me made for going shorter duration for those who want to try to play the markets.
    Dodge and Cox has been saying for several years that bonds didn’t look attractive (remember rates have risen since than). It takes just a bit of reading between the lines in their past several reports for DODIX and DODBX to discern that they felt at the time that equities were more attractively priced longer-term than bonds. And they have followed their own advice by overweighting equities relative to bonds in their balanced fund (DODBX).
    That being said: While I’m glad they viewed the extremely low interest rates of recent years with a healthy dose of skepticism, I’m also fairly confident they’ll ride out the storm as rates turn up just fine. So, if you are a long term investor and liked the fund earlier, I see no reason to bail now.
    Footnote - I did back off slightly from my holdings in DODIX over the past year anticipating the spike in rates. Moved the $$ to Price’s ultra-short. However, I use DODIX as a proxy for cash. So my use of the fund is a bit different from that of most DODIX investors.
  • Bond fund dilemma
    DODIX and MWTSX. Needless to say, they are underperforming so far this year.
    You may need to say, because DODIX is at the 14th percentile so far this year, MTWSX is at the 42nd percentile. They have outperformed AGG (a proxy for the domestic investment grade bond market) by
    0.93% and 0.26% respectively YTD.
    These funds don't just invest in short term bonds, but across the maturity/duration spectrum, and also delve a little into junk (around 6% or so currently). You're right that generally to have generated significant positive returns YTD, a bond fund must have been short term (or shorter), or taken on more credit risk.
    Normally, I'd say that the extra yield offered by a longer (read intermediate term) fund has a good chance of compensating for greater losses than a short term fund would experience due to rising interest rates. But currently the yield curve is fairly flat - 2 year treasuries yield 2.58%, 10 years 3.08%, and 30 years barely any more at 3.20%.
    https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield
    An intermediate bond fund with, say a 5 year duration would lose 2.5% if there are a couple more (1/4%) rate hikes this year - that should pretty much eat up its SEC yield for the year. So for now (read: the next 2-3 rate hikes or the rest of the year), a short/ultra short term bond fund might be the better choice.
    There is another alternative that meets your requirements. Buy 6 month treasuries - they currently yield over 2%, and after six months, if interest rates rise as expected, you can buy higher yielding treasuries or buy a bond fund at that time.
    Regarding PONAX:
    1) It's an excellent fund at what it does
    2) Its performance is just about the same as DODIX YTD
    3) While derivatives don't spook me, I am concerned that I can't explain its duration. On PIMCO's page for the fund, the duration for each sector of the fund is listed as under 3 years, yet it says that the effective duration for the fund as a whole is 4.13 years. Which is why I don't know how it is computing its numbers (i.e. I don't understand how its portfolio is acting as a whole, to lengthen its effective duration beyond that of all of its components).
    https://www.pimco.com/en-us/investments/mutual-funds/income-fund/a
    4) The fund is sold without a transaction fee and load-waived at Fidelity and elsewhere.
    https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/summary/72201F474
  • Mf monthly newsletter read.. T. Madell june18
    By Tom Madell
    Although past performance cannot tell you everything you should know about a given fund, it is certainly a guideline looked at by most investors to help decide on the merits a fund. Of course, index funds, especially in recent years, have been some of the best performing funds around. But for those willing to hold some managed funds, it is important to consider, among other factors, not only past performance per se, but whether any strong performance was achieved by the now present manager, not one who is no longer at the helm.
  • Bond fund dilemma
    Yes, the company I work for does provide the Fidelity Brokerage service and there isn't an additional fee.
    I just transferred my other rollover IRA's from previous 401's over to Fidelity so I will have all funds centrally located and have access to more options.
    About to turn 66 but will probably work a few more years as I enjoy the job and people.
    Sure, I'd like to make more than 2% but I want to minimize risk. Of course, if you know of a way to get higher returns with low risk, I am all ears:)
  • RPHYX: any point nowadays?
    Not pushing Treasuries here (I rarely use them), but they're about as easy to deal with as CDs through a brokerage. Unlike any other type of bond, Treasuries are also just as simple as CDs. Buy a 2 year CD, you get the promised yield for two years, and then you can cash out or let it roll over.
    With Fidelity at least (where I've bought T-bills), you've got the same choice - set it up to renew (at then current rates) automatically, or take the cash and run.
    CDs and Treasuries - both guaranteed by the federal government (though Treasuries have the more solid guarantee, since they're backed by the full faith and credit of the US).
  • RPHYX: any point nowadays?
    Love the board and the discussions.
    Never owned a T-bond direct. Intriguing thought. Is it as easy as it sounds? Just go to the U.S. Treasury site and pay via checking account withdrawal? Minimums appear low. Would $1,000 work? How about using your Visa card for convenience? (Suspect your card issuer might not allow it).
    The board does a good job reflecting investor sentiment - often right on the mark. The transition to fixed income types over past 10 years is interesting. As rates fell following the ‘07 - ‘09 market turmoil and Fed easing folks gravitated to longer term bonds which rose in value. As that play subsided they transitioned to high yield bonds which had some great years. Now, with rates on the rise, they’re looking at 2-year Treasuries.
    I’m not as tuned in to the trends or willing to move money around as others. However, I have backed off from DODIX slightly over the past year, but still own (and like) it. Smart people there. And after the money market “reforms” a few years back (which torpedoed yields) I moved to Price’s ultra-short. Slightly better return than mm funds with very little duration risk.
    Where next? I wouldn’t be surprised to see money market or ultra-shorts become hot items in a year or so if rates continue higher. Who knows? Re RPHYX - never owned it. I’m sure it has a place in some portfolios. The thing with me is I look at the overall risk and volatility in my mix. So adding a little more risk in one area might mean cutting back in another risky area. As long as the overall risk level is appropriate for the individual, any number of combinations might work.
  • RPHYX: any point nowadays?
    Hi Guys,
    I loved the RPHYX pick a few years ago as it was a very low risk to get upper 2% yield in a zero interest world.
    However, took the position down 90% about 2 yrs ago as interest rates have steadily risen. NAV has been low mids 9.7s forever (since oct 15)
    We saw that Cohanzick is an average junk bond manager when junk fell a couple of yrs ago (RSIVX which was supposedly to be slightly more risk was shown to actually be really an average junk bond fund).
    When 1 yr Treasury is over 2% and a 2 yr CD is 2.8......this fund should be doing 4-5% to have a raison detre...........they "promised" 250-300 over treasuries which they aint doing.
    I understood their biz model when they were doing purchases of shortterm junk that was about to be refinanced........but that time is ovah.
    Do you guys think there is any point to having any money in RPHYX now?
  • The Trump "we're going to get lower drug prices" PLAN to nowhere's-ville; well, should'a known...
    For years the drug industry has spent millions lobbying Washington to have thing their way. Wish I am more optimistic, but I am not. It will take more tha an act of God to change that.
  • ARTZX vs ARTYX discrimination?
    I'm not clear on what your point is here.
    Normally small funds have higher ERs, but often the management company (not the manager him/herself) takes a hit by waiving fees to attract assets. ISTM that's a sign of support by the company for the fund.
    ARTZX has waived some management fees. Absent those waivers, the total ER would have been 2.20% (and 2.25% (sic) for institutional shares). With that waiver, the total ER was 1.50%. Very recently (Feb 21, 2018), Artisan waived even more fees, reducing the ER to 1.35% (and 1.20% for institutional shares).
    ARTZX has underpeformed its peers over its lifetime.. ARTYX has outperformed its peers over its lifetime. While APHEX (the institutional, older class of ARTZX) tracked its peer group very closely for its first five years (through May 2011), it greatly underperformed between June 2011 and June 2015 when ARTZX was created. THDAX was flying high during that period.
    Certainly it shows discriminating taste to hire more successful managers to run new funds. Other than that, what discrimination are you referring to?
  • ARTZX vs ARTYX discrimination?
    I have mentioned this a few times. I own neither funds. I have/had been a big fan and long term holder of Artisan funds. Over the past few years, I've been a net seller. When a company goes public, it affects the culture. TRP might be the exception. It used to be when Artisan opened new fund, I would just buy with the expectation to hold forever. Not any more.
    I have long lamented ARTZX not getting any love from investors. Forget that, not even from within Artisan. I wonder why the woman manager of ARTZX does not quit. Artisan decides to hire an high flying manager from Thornburg who mostly made his name in the good times and put him at helm of new fund ARTYX.
    Net assets of ARTZX vs ARTYX : 62.4MM vs 2.4B
    Expense Ratio of ARTZX vs ARTYX : 1.35 vs 1.4
    WTF???
    Chart of ARTZX, ARTYX, VEIEX, since date of inception of ARTYX.
    image
    I want ARTZX manager to sue Artisan for discrimination.
  • Core Bond Funds
    THOPX seems to be an interesting fund for a rising rate environment in the short-term area. It has a great chart over the past two years. Things could change drastically when credit issues rear their ugly head, however. Lots of middling credit corporate bonds.
  • Note for catch22
    Hi @Derf
    Thank you for the update. I've been around tech. for quite a few years and appreciate what it allows us to do these days; but there are those days for a silent scream, eh?
  • Core Bond Funds
    @VintageFreak,
    I like CTFAX and I've owned it for a good number of years. Most times it's bond allocation is North of 80% and during stock market pullbacks it loads equities. Currently, it is about 90% fixed & 10% equity. However, it only makes distribution two times per year (June and December). It will be after the June distribution before I cut any new money into it. With sizeable distributions comes a high draw down percent (DD).
  • Core Bond Funds
    I am a fan of Dan Fuss and crew.
    My largest position in a core bond fund is NEFZX. Over the past ten years it has served me well.
    Another core bond fund that I'm happy with is LBNDX.
    And, yet another one is TSIAX.
    These three funds combined make up about 50% of my income sleeve. The other three funds held within this sleeve are BAICX, CTFAX & GIFAX.
    I've been thinking of adding to NEFZX & CTFAX.
  • Oakmark Now Offers 2-Factor Authentication
    Was not rehashing the full and tortuous history, of course. Adopted secure 2-factor had to be stronger than a static PIN or password plus the token, and so the first factor became dynamic and unknowable, the result of pseudorandom-number (PRN) generation, with Rivest's (RSA) algorithm the leader (still, I believe) and his first paper (in ACM) was from the late 1970s, I think. Security Dynamics (later RSA) is where I worked for many years. Weiss promulgated that work, and more, and turned it into a going company, yes. Was not aware he coined the phrase, or maybe I have forgot.
  • Core Bond Funds
    @Wllmatt72,
    I’d agree with you about their New Income Fund (PRCIX). Never could figure out what they were trying to do with it and never owned it.
    I’d also admit that fixed income generally hasn’t been Price’s strong suit. I think they made a lot of progress under Mary Miller who served as their head of fixed income from 2004 until 2009 when Obama tapped her to work for Treasury. Backslid perhaps since than - though their more aggressive offerings like EM and high yield have prospered. In digging up what I could tonight I stumbled across a blurb from Price that their current head of fixed income will retire at year’s end. I thought it was worth posting as a separate thread.
    RPSIX, which I mentioned in the earlier post, isn’t a bond fund per se. Price classifies it as an asset allocation fund. While bonds are not their forte, Price has proven itself through its wise allocation decisions over the years. Here’s the funds in which RPSIX may invest. Generally, it has a stake in most, but not all of these, at any given time. Sorry I couldn’t find a way to copy the exact percentages.
    Corporate Income Fund
    Emerging Markets Bond Fund
    Emerging Markets Local Currency Bond Fund
    Equity Income Fund
    Floating Rate Fund
    GNMA Fund
    High Yield Fund
    Inflation Protected Bond Fund
    International Bond Fund
    Limited Duration Inflation Focused Bond Fund
    New Income Fund
    Short-Term Bond Fund
    U.S. Treasury Intermediate Fund
    U.S. Treasury Long-Term Fund
    U.S. Treasury Money Fund
  • Consumer Staples An Epic Underperformer: (XLP)
    I am still holding RHS although I did reduce it a bit, and each day I watch it go down I fight hard not to do anything. It's not easy, it has always done well in the past, have had it for 5 years and it does hold up in bad times, lets hope people start buying soup and soda again :)
  • Vanguard brokerage account conversion round 2
    Here is an excerpt from an email I received from Vanguard. Looks like they have not given up on converting everyone over to their brokerage services ( I did not convert my account over).
    From the email:
    Be on the lookout for a request from Vanguard
    Over the past few years, we've made some technology enhancements. As a result of these improvements, we'll be asking all of our clients to complete a quick, 3-step process to transition from our old investment platform to our new investment platform.
    You don't need to take any action today—we simply want to let you know about the transition. You'll receive another email shortly that provides more detail.
    A little more background
    Having all our clients transition will help simplify things—for you and for us. It will enable us to lower our operating expenses and give us more money to invest in the new platform. And that translates to an even better investment experience for you.
    Thanks for helping us move into the future of investing.
  • Barry Ritholtz's Masters In Business: Guest: Jim Chanos: On Having An Edge
    FYI: This week, we speak with famed short seller Jim Chanos, founder and president of Kynikos Associates LP, the world’s largest exclusive short-selling investment firm.
    Chanos has identified — and sold short — many of the past 3 decades best-known corporate disasters. His celebrated short-sale of Enron shares was dubbed by Barron’s as “the market call of the decade, if not the past 50 years.” He also made bets against Baldwin-United, Commodore International, Coleco, Integrated Resources, Boston Chicken, Sunbeam, Conseco, Tyco International, and most recently, Valeant Pharmaceuticals.
    He explains why he believes Elon Musk’s first love is SpaceX, and that “Tesla is a zero.”
    Chanos said that when he launched Kynikos, there were a few 100 hedge funds, only 20 or 30 of which generating alpha. He presently sits on a number of boards where he helps to allocate capital. Market participants have gotten better, the landscape has become more competitive, and the funds have turned into large 300-person businesses. Despite 11,000 hedge fund choices, today there are even fewer hedge funds outperforming.
    He asks, via Julian Robertson, the all important question “What is your edge.” Most managers lack a sustainable edge — trading, research, deviant perception — as reversion to mean is such a powerful process.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://ritholtz.com/2018/05/mib-jim-chanos-edge/