. Thanks Everyone. It’s my impression I came out ahead. As
@msf noted, there is no tax consideration being in a Roth IRA. Maybe a better way to look at it is I own more shares of the same CEF now for no additional cost (as I reinvested roughly the earlier cash value).
This might make a worthwhile thread on CEFs if anyone is so inclined. I’ve for several
years owned 1 or 2. I view these as a way of broadening out / diversifying a portfolio. Also, as a way of adding a little extra “octane” to total return because most employ leverage.
The way they trade drives me nuts. As
@BaluBalu pointed out in another thread they are used by some as trading vehicles. And as
@Mark mentioned in another thread they are largely owned by institutions. The latter fact would seem to indicate that smaller investors have a better than average chance of getting burned by these. If you think interest rates will fall, they should rise in value to the extent that they employ leverage (and falling rates = lower borrowing costs).
What are the incentives for the manager to perform well or to stick to the fund’s mandate? I’ve read that their fee is based on total amount including levered amount. OK. Mutual fund managers have an incentive to attract more investors and sell more shares and increase the funds’ AUM. But a CEF cannot issue more shares. What incentives keep the manager on the straight and narrow?
I do understand that these often trade at a discount to NAV. Is the manager’s fee based on NAV or share price? Does each have a board of directors elected by shareholders? I think so.
Why is it that the share price of so many of these drop rapidly in the first year or 2 of operation? Often they will fall 15-25% in the first year or two and then begin a slow recovery. Obviously, they don’t look like a good value when first issued. Is that just raw luck or is some other factor at work?
Vanguard PRIMECAP Reopens FCNTX is no S&P clone. It rose about 15% in January alone. I’ve owned it for 20+ years and it’s the best performing fund in my portfolio.
Vanguard PRIMECAP Reopens Sure makes sense…. I’ve also got a lot invested in SPY too. It’s certainly been the place you wanted to be the last 15 years
Current CDs are Compelling It's true that there are only a handful of offerings right now, but I just took a quick and arbitrary look at 3
years out and there are eight between 4.7 and 4.85%. I might do a Morgan Stanley in those, because how much longer will Moneymarket SUTXX be paying 5.18%?
Add: In Treasuries, 7 offerings
@4.55% maturing 1/27. Another possibility.
Vanguard May Fire Customers Not Online This is gonna really throw into chaos a lot of old timers who joined Vanguard in the 70s thru 90s era when its low-cost approach was thought to be the greatest innovation since sliced bread. I know one such person (an otherwise intelligent hands-off investor) who was puzzled by their push to make people switch to ETFs a few years ago. “What the heck is an ETF?” he asked me recently.
Phone support? Don’t know about Vanguard. But TRP should pay you to call in, so poor is the “support.”
Vanguard PRIMECAP Reopens Primecap started out as a mid cap growth, evolving over time into a large cap that straddled the growth/blend boundary. Core launched as a large cap blend as I recall. It has usually trailed Primecap in performance, as growth has generally led value/blend for many
years. I tend to think of Primecap as an
AIO, covering both VPCCX and VHCAX.
M*,
Primecap: The Shades of Difference Among Its FundsAs you've no doubt noticed, all three funds invest about 1/8 of their portfolio abroad. I happen to like this (bigger pool to fish in), though others prefer to invest strictly domestically.
Vanguard PRIMECAP Reopens Buying into the S&P 500 seems like buying into megacaps but then adding 300 "smaller" companies for what? Seasoning? Diversification?
If the decision is to go with megacaps, then why bother with that dreck? Or if the decision is to diversify across the market (despite smaller companies having not fared as well as megacaps in the past), consider buying into funds that truly diversify.
MGC has outperformed VFIAX since inception, Jan 2008 (10.50% vs. 10.26%), with slightly lower volatility (16.00% vs. 16.14% std dev), and a 3 year rolling coefficient of correlation ranging between 0.997 and 0.999 (nearly perfect tracking).
Portfolio Visualizer correlation (and performance) analysis of MGC and VFIAX
The divergence between mega caps and the rest of the market has been most
apparent in the past five years (give or take). Go with the flow or "revert to the mean"?
What allocation do you have to international equities and your favorite funds? I have concentrated in the right categories since 1995. See (
link).
LOL. WTF dude.
What allocation do you have to international equities and your favorite funds? "Like others here, I own a slice of GLFOX which invests in infrastructure and, for whatever reason, stays mainly in Europe. It has returned a big zero this year. Not a concern to me. I can be content with some holdings rising and some falling. If everything were rising together I’d be very worried."
The optimal portfolio is only known in hindsight.
Diversification means always having to say you're sorry about some investment in your portfolio!
Your best observation ever. And no need for hindsight.
I have concentrated in the right categories since 1995. See (
link).
Just a small example: since 11/2023, I have posted many times to own US LC tilting growth and not diversifying. See my post from 11/1/2023 (
link)
"
You can just play it simple: no diversification, no predictions, no narrow range funds, looks like tilting LC growth is here to stay which = SPY/VOO or you can gamble and use some QQQ."
Why I posted the above? my system told me. See the chart(
https://schrts.co/MWCuZUMV)
One of my fundamental rules is never to hold a fund that is not performing well. It doesn't mean #1, it means in the top 30% based on risk-adjusted performance. It's much easier when you have 3 funds, it's a lot harder with 10-15 funds.
Vanguard PRIMECAP Reopens I am pretty certain it was 1992 when I jumped at the chance to buy re-opened low turnover Primecap shares for a taxable account. I felt fairly lucky, except SEQUX caused some fund envy. But of course, that envy disappeared in time. Other than MM holdings, VPMAX became my largest position - now ~13% of PV. Given the mediocre performance for several recent years, I certainly wouldn't mind if it reverted to its historical mean.
Vanguard PRIMECAP Reopens Its heyday may be over? Last 5 years 2019-2023 or YTD it hasn't even kept up with the SP500 (VOO) Why pay ER .31 (VPMAX adm) vs ER .03 (VOO). On 200k that's $620 vs $60.
Vanguard PRIMECAP Reopens Eight or nine years of redemptions probably explains it.
BTW, those consistent redemptions have resulted in years and years of significant capital gains distributions. On an after-tax basis both of these funds have underperformed the S&P 500, by more than 100 bps a year for over a decade.