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  • Hesitating On The High Board Of Investing
    Hi MikeM,
    One of the things I came to realize many years ago is that investing for the average retail investor, like myself, is a marathon and not a sprint although I do, at times, do a little trading around the edges within my own portfolio (sprint) when I feel inclined to do so.
    Often times the conserative well thought out avenue is the better choice over an agressive all in avenue type approach that throws caution to the wind.
    It's your money ... Put it to work as you feel best!
    I wish you the very best in the coming years.
    Old_Skeet
  • Bonds. The Intense Discussion Thread.
    Hi John and others,
    Here is what I have done to help manage an anticipated rising interest rate environment within the income area of my portfolio. I have two investment sleeves within this area … an income sleeve and a hybrid income sleeve. The income sleeve consist of the more traditional fixed income funds while the hybrid income sleeve consist of funds with a broader spectrum of assets whose focus is to generate income.
    In the income sleeve I have selected good fund managers that I believe have the experience to effectively manage changing market conditions along with looking for funds that have short durations and are commonly known as short term bond funds. The funds that I own in this sleeve are EVBAX, LALDX, LBNDX, NEFZX, THIFX & TSIAX. Combined their duration is 3.5 years while their combined yield is about 3.7%. I feel, if these fund manages can not effectively manage interest rate and other risk associated with fixed income investing risk … well it probably just can’t be done.
    In my hybrid income sleeve I feel I have selected good fund mangers that I believe again have the experience to use an even broader spectrum of assets to generate income along with using non traditional tools and means that aid them in the management of associated investment risk. Funds that I own in this sleeve are AZNAX, CAPAX, FKINX, ISFAX, PASAX & PGBAX.
    My thoughts are that diverfication in of itself provides a certain amount of risk protection. To substantiate this thinking I am linking a recent Morningstar article that addresses this in more detail.
    http://news.morningstar.com/articlenet/article.aspx?id=661823
    In closing … and in short words … Rather than trying to do this through my own talent window I have chosen to seek out others to manage this for me.
    I wish all … “Good Investing.”
    Old_Skeet
  • Hesitating On The High Board Of Investing
    ........ but I think there will be an entry point in the next 6 months that even I can recognize.
    .......one-time contribution to my new grandchild's retirement fund. $3K now presumably produces over $4M at 70, if it's shifted into a Roth when she starts earning money.
    Yeah, the math is pretty compelling. Assuming any taxable distributions are paid from outside the account. Here's what happens to a one time investment of $3,000 assuming a rate of return of 10%, allowing for 70 years of compounding:
    $3,000 invested at 10.0% annually for 70 years yields: $2,369,241
    Interesting, that $3,00 is just the amount needed to invest in the Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund.......and imagine if the person holds that investment for 70 years. [Actually, you can invest in VTI, the etf version, with no minimum].
    Regarding "I think there will be an entry point in the next 6 months".....just wondering what gives you this confidence of what will happen in the next 6 months? How much of a drop are you expecting, and how much would be an acceptable entry point for you?
  • Bonds. The Intense Discussion Thread.
    Listen to Dan Fuss explain how it's done (He's a bond manager who was around 30+ years ago). He is a fund manager who looks and, more often than not, finds risk adjusted opportunities :
    fuss-trounces-bond-rivals-by-thinking-like-a-stock-picker
  • Bonds. The Intense Discussion Thread.
    The new Unconstrained funds everyone is jumping into?
    Considering we are in a rising interest rate environment, which bonds if any will do better that others? What if you are close to or in retirement age? What to do.
    The new unconstrained bond funds are in response to the fact that interest rates have gone down since September 1981, and they can't go down forever. We have been in a bull market for bonds lasting 33 years. On September 8, 1981, the 10-Year Treasury had a yield of 15.59%. Those who bought and held it made 15.59% each and every year for 10 years, risk free, then got their full principal back.
    https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/DGS10
    The same 10-Year Treasury has a yield of 2.4% today.
    The unconstrained funds typically have a lower duration, with the express purpose of decreasing interest rate sensitivity. A bond fund with a duration of 6 years will experience a 12% loss of NAV if the corresponding interest rates of those bonds rise 2%.
    Add in the yield to that loss of NAV and the total return is calculated.
    Full disclosure: I have no interest rate forecast nor will I ever have one.
    In exchange for interest rate risk, the unconstrained bond funds, flexible income funds, "tactical income funds", or whatever you wish to call them, take on more credit risk.
    Why do they have to take on more credit risk as a result of decreasing their duration/maturity? Because very high quality bonds, such as Treasuries, have such a low yield, that when you shorten the maturity of the bonds and subtract the expense ratio of the active bond fund, you are not left with much yield. Therefore, bank loans and junk bonds and other high credit risk securities enter into the portfolios of these mutual funds.
  • Jason Zweig: The Decline and Fall Of Fund Managers
    Hi STB65,
    Good stuff! I especially liked your revision to Gresham's Law. There is indeed much drivel generated by various elements of the investment community.
    But there are also some infrequent gems. It does take a little unpleasant digging to separate the rare diamonds from the heaps of dung. The diamonds are there. A second level of complexity and uncertainty is introduced to characterize if these rare gems are the products of luck or skill.
    Over the last few years Michael Mauboussin has contributed much to uncovering how to distinguish between luck and skill. His “The Success Equation” book does yeomen work on this subject. He is an engaging speaker. Here is a Link to a one-hour video that focuses on “Untangling Skill and Luck”:

    I also agree with your assessment that the general investment skill level in both the professional and amateur ranks has remarkably improved over the last two decades. Low hanging fruit is a rapidly disappearing commodity as the knowledge base has expanded both in its depth of understanding and in its wide distribution.
    Benjamin Graham recognized this trend many years ago, and reported his belief in the fifth version of his famous “The Intelligent Investor” book. He cautioned the “Superinvestors of Graham and Doddsville” about the challenges of finding the far fewer improperly priced investment opportunities.
    I’m a much slower learner. About a decade ago, my mutual fund portfolio was almost 100% populated by actively managed products. Today, that concentration has been reduced to roughly a 50/50 mix of actively and passively managed holdings.
    I do plan to reduce my actively managed funds still more, but I also plan to retain some active elements. Some managers do outperform their benchmarks for an extended time horizon. There are superior fund managers.
    So, although I agree with much of what Charles Ellis and Jason Zweig advocate, I am not as hard over to the Index end of the spectrum that these gentlemen represent. I respect our differences; that’s a needed part in the marketplace’s price discovery mechanism.
    Best Wishes and thanks for your viewpoint.
  • Professor Snowball wrote an article for September 1, 2014 BottomLine Personal
    Two quick notes:
    1. so far as I can tell, BottomLine articles are only available in print.
    2. this is probably my third byline for them. The key is that these are "as told to" articles. Mark Gill, frequently, runs a question by me, I offer some suggestions, and then he writes the actual article. That reflects BL's crazy space constraints and their desire to be very responsive to their readers.
    The question here was "how quickly should you dump a faltering fund a/k/a how much slack should you give a once-great manager?" I suggested that most good funds suffer back to back trailing years without noticeable problem, but that funds with three consecutive weak finishes rarely rebound. From there they asked for some really solid funds that have suffered lately but on which we'd still counsel patience.
    I've offered some names. They've occasionally said "yeah, but we've had some negative reader feedback on that fund so we probably won't go with it." You get a sense of the constraints when you look at the size of the funds highlighted, which is rather higher than we'd normally target.
    For what it's worth,
    David
  • Professor Snowball wrote an article for September 1, 2014 BottomLine Personal
    He wrote an article "Daring Investor Faltering Fund," for the above publication.
    The article basically discusses briefly how the Homestead Small Company Stock Fund and Mairs & Power Growth Fund have surpassed the S&P 500 over the past 10 and 15 years, but stumbled as of late.
    We cannot find a link for the article.
  • Gundlach: re. real LT economic growth, ya might consider tempering your enthusiasm
    Thanks AndyJ. That makes it clear to me. M* has the duration of ACCNX at 4.8 years. I'm not sure how accurate that is. I think it's closer to 4 years.
    I also opened a positioned in ASDVX which a brand new fund at AC. Short Duration Strategic Income. Duration is supposed to be three years and under. It's one of those Unconstrained do everything go anywhere bond funds that are popping up all over. There is another fund with the same game plan but longer duration. I have it on my watch list but am not sure if it fits a need at this time. I'm still riding this bull until she croaks. Hopefully I will know when that is.
  • Jason Zweig: The Decline and Fall Of Fund Managers
    As I lose neurons, myocytes, and fast twitch fibers, I slowly realize that the age of mega-data means that the areas of inefficiency which smart people with lots of research time to exploit "the market" become smaller. That allows smart managers of all asset, all authority funds a narrowing window of opportunity to exploit specific areas of the market and world. Small cap foreign or frontier funds have several years left, but big data will flatten that world fairly soon also.
    I think the remaining decision left for indexers is whether to indulge in market timing. Is there a presidential cycle effect? should you sell in May? Do you believe Schiller and go to cash, or at least add no new money?
    Running a mutual fund is a lucrative profession, if one can find investors (That's why there are so many of them). OTOH, why should I allow a failed mutual fund manager to advise my investments? Is he or she now more adept because smaller amounts are involved? Will they work for $500/hr for 2 hours, which may be all the advice I want for the next 6 or 12 months?
    I doubt mutual fund managers will go the way of travel agents, but some salaries may decrease. Maybe this will attract people who enjoy the challenge of "beating the market" more than the desire for a 7 figure income, and I REALLY hope I find a couple of them.
    Obviously, I do not believe we are entering a new age of active managers, although I do believe that some managers of small funds can out-perform until they become larger funds.
    Depending on one's point of view, everything is drivel; and absolute drivel drives out pure drivel, which drives out relative drivel (such as this). I think that's Gresham's Law of Drivel.
  • Jason Zweig: The Decline and Fall Of Fund Managers
    An entire article, based on he said, he said...
    Mr. Ellis sounds a lot like our MJG.
    It would help for active managers to lower their fees.
    Suspect there will be more all asset, all authority fund managers in years ahead.
  • Annual Asset Class Returns: Version Of Callan Periodic Tables
    @Ted and @MJG, thank you for your posts. This is great information that I've seen before but never spent more than a short while analyzing (shame on me).
    Anyway, having done some work to review the data, I find it most interesting that if you'd completely avoided developed international markets (MSCI EAFE) for the last 20 years or the last 10 or 15 years, you would have had a very good chance of doing better with that money almost anywhere else. Considering the demographics and the economic challenges that both the Europeans and the Japanese face, I'm wondering why we should think the next 10 or 20 years will be any different? Would anyone take the chance of an all US/Emerging Markets portfolio (considering just equity)?
    Another interesting, but maybe not surprising, tidbit is that small-caps in developed international markets, and I only had data since 2001, were much better performers in the last 13 years and outperformed their large cap EAFE colleagues by far more than small-caps in the US or emerging markets outperformed those markets' large cap indices. So then a follow-up question... if you wouldn't avoid developed international markets totally, would you consider focusing investments in developed international markets on small-caps?
  • Yes, Virginia You Can Time The Market
    FYI: (Click On Article Title At Top Of Google
    It's the investing equivalent of "don't run with scissors": Nearly all advisers agree that trying to time stocks is futile. Naturally, people do it anyway.
    Research firm Dalbar earlier this year published 30 years of data on what typical mutual-fund investors earned and the results weren't pretty: An annualized return of 3.69% in stock funds and 0.7% in bond funds. Yet someone fully invested in the S&P 500 over that period would have earned eight times as much as a typical equity-fund investor. Results for bonds were similar.
    Regards,
    Ted
    https://www.google.com/#q=yes,+you+can+time+wsj
  • Why You Shouldn't Put All Your Money In Index Funds
    VTI and VBMFX, just for the heck of it, U.S. centric, buy and hold for the past 15 years = 7.12% annualized.
    At the below chart, right click on the "200 day" icon in the slider bar and select "all" for the period back to July, 1999.
    Insert tickers (separated by a comma) of your choice, for your own checks.
    http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf.php?Vti,vbmfx#
    Just my own humble opinion, with charting for the fun of it.....; of which, saved our monetary bacon in July of 2008.
    Have fun,
    Catch
  • Why You Shouldn't Put All Your Money In Index Funds
    Gah, have we not been over this many times? Think about it unaggregated. Chart GABEX, AMANX, PRBLX, YACKX, and FLPSX against SP500 from August 08 to August 2012. All different outfits and approaches. Pay attention to dip depth and then time to recovery. SP500 is the laggard --- by far.
    You can always plead selection bias, 'Well, someone has to outperform'. But the point is that all of the managers of those prudent funds were bruited bigtime well before 2008, well before, some of them for the 20 or more years preceding. I did not get into these funds or recommend them to my wife and parents and children and friends in 2009 or whenever; I did it in 2003, or 1997, or some of them 1990. Based on reading and research and backtesting such as it was possible to do back then. I have no gift for this kind of thing, but these managers certainly do. And I stuck with them except for Gabelli, when I switched all of those holdings over to Ahlsten, based solely on dip protection.
    Most of this holds for Danoff/FCNTX too.
    So either stick with indexing and all it entails, or do your due diligence and look for active managers who demonstrate smidgens of prudence and foresight and protective behaviors. I (overly diversified like so many here) used to be in D&C, Fairholme, and Weitz also, but over time came to see that they did not show the judgment I valued.
  • 3 Dividend Funds With Yields higher Than 3%
    Difficult to find individual bonds that the Average Joe can buy retail, directly---without a middleman. I had a zero-coupon 10-year thing that did me very well. But the rates from that source are down a bit, now, too. And I don't any longer feel like tying up money for 10 years. It was a good move for me, back in 2003.
  • Junk Bond Funds----What Record Outflows Are Telling Investors
    With respect to the WSJ links, I have to tell you that even though we have been print subscribers for some 30 years, the bastards won't give us access to the website. That sucks! I guess Murdoch needs the pocket change.
    OJ, I've subscribed using air miles that I'll never use, otherwise. I can indeed view the website. There's a stupid user-name and password thing, though. Then I told it to remember me.
    http://online.wsj.com/home-page?_wsjregion=na,us&_homepage=/home/us
  • Annual Asset Class Returns: Version Of Callan Periodic Tables
    Hi Guys,
    I want to start by thanking Ted for the Callan Periodic Table update. The investment Periodic Tables have been a staple at MFO and at FundAlarm for years. The Callan version is the most famous and most widely quoted.
    However, a legion of alternate Periodic Tables are published, and each offers a slightly different data set over differing timeframes. Which is most applicable for your purposes depends on your specific portfolio construction and your representative time span.
    For example, here are two Links to alternate Periodic Tables featuring 20 years and 10 years of market data respectively:
    http://www.blackrock.com/investing/literature/investor-education/asset-class-returns-one-pager-va-us.pdf
    https://ipro.americancentury.com/content/dam/americancentury/ipro/pdfs/flyer/Periodic_Table.pdf
    The 20-year data set is from BlackRock; the 10-year data set is from American Century.
    The checkerboard pattern that all Periodic Tables exhibit demonstrate the complete randomness of annual investment class returns. What works one year is not commonly repeated the next.
    A few years ago, I examined the long term portfolio outcome of using a strategy based on changing the portfolio holdings to the winner of the previous year. That simple strategy fails to capture average market rewards. It is a real world illustration of the maxim “a regression to the mean”.
    Although the first reference contains more historical data (20 versus 10 years), I prefer the American Century shorter term format for several reasons. It includes separate tables for both Equity and Bond components, and it summarizes the reward/risk tradeoffs by providing a convenient list of average 10-year annualized returns to compare against the component 10-year standard deviations.
    If you want a Periodic Table for Commodities, it too exists (from U.S. Global Investors) . Here is a Link:
    http://www.usfunds.com/interactive/the-periodic-table-of-commodities-returns-2013/#.U_Uw-kYvwQE
    When assembling a portfolio, these data (annual returns, standard deviation) provide baseline rates. You are encouraged to adjust these dependent upon the current economic and political environment, but also dependent upon your particular preferences, goals, and timeframe.
    To design a portfolio with specific percentage asset allocations, you will also need some information concerning the correlation coefficients of these investment classes against one another. That critical set of inputs can be generated at the Portfolio Visualizer website. Here is the Link to that useful site:
    http://portfoliovisualizer.com/asset-correlations
    The inputs are simple and the correlations can be calculated between input dates or for a prescribed number of days.
    I hope this is helpful. Enjoy and prosper.
    Best Wishes.
  • Junk Bond Funds----What Record Outflows Are Telling Investors
    With respect to the WSJ links, I have to tell you that even though we have been print subscribers for some 30 years, the bastards won't give us access to the website. That sucks! I guess Murdoch needs the pocket change.
  • Twelve Lessons: What I've Learned About Fund Investing
    FYI: Today is Brendan Conway's last day as a Barron’s columnist and blogger. He's leaving to take up a position at Goldman Sachs Asset Management. Serving this readership day in and day out, in a lucky two-plus years of being paid to learn, ask questions and report it all back to you, has been an honor
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://blogs.barrons.com/focusonfunds/2014/08/20/twelve-lessons-what-ive-learned-about-fund-investing/tab/print/