* Mike, A lot of risk measures are related to the category, and it is sometimes difficult to compare between categories. The 4 funds above are more risky in the non-traditional bond oef category, approaching lower risk multisector bond oefs. For me personally, I use M* quite a bit to try to establish relative risk between funds, but there are imperfections and complexities. I usually start with how M* has established Risk, COSIX is rated as Average risk, and DFLEX, IISIX, and PFIUX are all rated by M* as having "Below Average" risk. I then look at Standard Deviation as another singular way at looking at volatility, which closely corSDponds to risk--so again COSIX has the highest SD at 2.45, followed by PFIUX at 1.56 SD, IISIX with a 1.52 SD, and DFLEX at 1.51 SD. I gave you information about the credit qualiity of assets in each bond in my post above, so you can look at how much Investment grade bonds are in each fund vs. junk rated bonds. I like to put all the funds on a performance graph and then look at their performance patterns, with particular emphasis on peak to trough drops in downmarkets. There are many other statistical measures of risk, including upside/downside capture ratios, Sharpe ratios, etc.
You have to remember that in the non-traditional bond oef category, the definition of this category notes the widespread use of more sophisticated investment techniques involving shorting, hedging, leveraging, and large host of measures that will vary from fund to fund, but they do impact performance. So, any simple way of determining risk is often not that simple--for the most part I depend heavily on SD, and M* risk categorization, but I look at a lot of other things to dig down deeper to form an opinion.
When you compare the 4 funds above, there are a number of other nontraditional bond oefs that I consider much less risky, including SEMMX which has a much lower SD. When you start looking at funds like ZEOIX, from the HY Bond category, it is even more tricky, but ZEOIX has a very low SD and its performance pattern, like SEMMX, is very smooth and upward, including almost no drops in performance in downmarkets. So, in my opinion, I would consider ZEOIX and SEMMX the least risky and very close in riskiness, and then a bigger step up to IISIX, followed by DFLEX, then PFIUX, and COSIX being the most risky. Some may argue with me on these rankings, if they stress some other characteristics more than those I emphasize.
I will eventually make another post about non-traditional bond oefs, that are as a group lower in risk, and close to the short term bond category as a cash alternative.
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Look Back at Mutual Funds in 2019 @hank: I'm sorry to hear of you're problem, so to speak. Did you stand pat or move on ? You've caught my ear & I would like to hear more .
Have a good week, Derf
Thanks Derf! (I wasn’t asking for sympathy.) :) Oppenheimer never had more than 10% of my assets. What they offered were some niche funds others didn’t. Some were gems / other clunkers. But when you’re with a house for a quarter century you accumulate a deep understanding of their offerings and operation that’s difficult to replicate elsewhere. So I miss their operation, even though it wasn’t the sharpest gang on the block in all respects.
As far as “voting with one’s feet” - that’s all too easy to do in this day and age - often with just a few key strokes. And my fuse is as short (or shorter) than the next guy’s. To answer your question, I’m in the process of moving about one-third of my already small holdings at OPP/ Invesco to T. Rowe. What remains is mostly split between their miners’ fund (which has benefitted from gold’s uptick) and some cash. Also have a tad in an alternative fund there.
The issue of fund house closings / mergers might have significance to the broader mutual fund community. My own issues were mentioned merely to represent what that circumstance might entail and how it might affect others. If you were dumb enough to pay a front load for those A shares 2
5 years ago (I was), than perhaps the “sting” is felt a bit sharper.
* This post is about Non-traditional Bond oefs, that resemble and perform in a manner, similar to multisector bond oefs.
"Morningstar Category: Nontraditional Bond
The Nontraditional Bond category contains funds that pursue strategies divergent in one or more ways from conventional practice in the broader bond-fund universe. Many funds in this group describe themselves as "absolute return" portfolios, which seek to avoid losses and produce returns uncorrelated with the overall bond market; they employ a variety of methods to achieve those aims. Another large subset are self-described "unconstrained" portfolios that have more flexibility to invest tactically across a wide swath of individual sectors, including high-yield and foreign debt, and typically with very large allocations. Funds in the latter group typically have broad freedom to manage interest-rate sensitivity, but attempt to tactically manage those exposures in order to minimize volatility. The category is also home to a subset of portfolios that attempt to minimize volatility by maintaining short or ultra-short duration portfolios, but explicitly court significant credit and foreign bond market risk in order to generate high returns. Funds within this category often will use credit default swaps and other fixed income derivatives to a significant level within their portfolios."
Attached are 4 Non-traditional bond oefs, that I believe are potential funds you might consider, as a Conservative Bond Oef investor, as lower risk alternatives to Multisector Bond oefs:
1. COSIX: One of the more risky Non-traditional Bond oefs with a SD of 2.45. Its assets are spread across 4 asset groups--Gov't (18.26%), Corp (28.55%), Securitized (28.39%), Cash (23.79%). Its Assets fall into the following investment grades--AAA (12.22%), AA(7.54%), A(8.89%), BBB(24.4%), BB(13.82%), Below B/NR(19.83%)
2. IISIX: One of the better total return options with a SD of 1.52. Its assets are--Govt(12.68%), Corp(20.58%), Securitized(53.14%), cash(13.62%). Its assets between investment grades are--AAA(21%), AA(5.16%), A(5.16%), BBB(21.5%), BB(16.85%), B(19.95%), Below B/NR(4.96%)
3. DFLEX is managed by the well known Gundlach with a SD of 1.51. Its assets are--Govt(14.71%), Corp(26.8%), Securitized(51.6%), cash(6.89%). Its assets between investment grades are--AAA(17.43), AA(3.6%), A(5.87%), BBB(21.01%), Below B/NR(26.5%)
4. PFIUX is from PIMCO with all of its stable of analysts with a SD of 1.56. Its assets are---Govt(24.89%), Corp(11%), Securitized(30.5%), cash(22.8%), other(10.28%). Its assets between investment grades are---AAA(79%), AA(6%), A(9%), BB(3%), Below B(3%)
Look Back at Mutual Funds in 2019 “Benz: And one thing that we're continuing to see is just these massive inflows into very low-cost products” ....
“Kinnel: Yeah, that story has continued. It's really been running since the bear market of '08-'09 when a lot of people gave up on active management, and we've really seen that grow as, obviously, the ETF industry has grown alongside that because ETFs have drawn a lot of that passive flows. An interesting wrinkle this year is we saw passive fixed income and passive foreign equity start to gain some traction, too, not nearly as much, but generally, those have remained the domain of active”
Kinnel also comments on the Oppenheimer merger with Invesco. But he doesn’t seem as alarmed as I am. I hope no one here ever has the experience of seeing their B grade fund house where they’ve held Class A shares for nearly 25 years bought out and taken over by a larger C grade outfit (being generous here). Funds you’ve depended on for years disappear / are merged into the new owner’s funds. Even for those older funds that remain, management changes or is diluted. And the formerly excellent fund reports that kept you abreast of what your manager was thinking and doing (and enhanced your market perspective) are replaced by bland accouting statements lacking any narrative.
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How much you can contribute to traditional or roth ira 2020 Many nearing retirement seem unaware of the IRS “
Catch-up“ provisions. Appears current law allows persons over
50 who were unable to fully fund their retirement plan in prior years to make generous catch-up contributions later on in addition to the current yearly limit. I’m unclear whether it pertains to IRAs, but it appears that at least in some cases it does. My experience more than 2 decades ago (with a 403-B) may no longer be representative. But in my case the
“catch-up“ came in darned handy in shoring-up earlier insufficient contributions as retirement neared.
Quick search pulled up 3 reads:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/catchupcontribution.asp - Invesropedia / general description
https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/401k-plan-catch-up-contribution-eligibility - IRS / 401K
https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-participant-employee/retirement-topics-catch-up-contributions - IRS / mentions IRAs - but I’m unsure of types and amounts.
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From Simon - “
Inflation (Consumer Price Index) was up 2.1% in 2019 as of last November” -
While that sounds trite in the face last year’s near 30% return on the S&P, it really depends on perspective. A 2% rise in cost of living (if you believe the numbers) would look quite different following a 30% decline in equities, especially if bonds languished or fell in value. And even at 2% a year, over
5 years you’re looking at well over a 10% increase in COL. (Remember that inflation compounds in a manner similar to how interest does.)
What’s a bond fund like this doing in T. Rowe’s stable? (RPIEX) A couple more factoids:
- M* rates it bronze; though I have my doubts about how much intelligence there is in M*'s artificial "intelligence" ratings (done by machine, not analyst)
- Its 16
5% turnover rate is not a mere artifact of being a bond fund. 90%+ of the cap gains it has distributed in the past four years are short term. On the other hand, it distributed no cap gains in two of those four years (losing years, perhaps?)
The fund did well out of the gate, for its first two years, but has been essentially flat over the past three. My guess is that the star rating will nevertheless go
up in a couple of weeks when the fund hits the five year mark. The way M* calculates stars is to compute a weighted average of a fund's three year rating, its five year rating (if available), and its ten year rating (if available). The two good years of the fund aren't getting counted because the fund is just short of five years. In a couple of weeks that will change, and those good years will be included.
To continue the fund description that Lipper quoted from
T. Rowe Price:
The fund also uses interest rate futures, interest rate and credit default swaps, and forward currency exchange contracts, primarily to manage interest rate exposure and limit the fund's overall volatility.If I'm going to buy a nontraditional fund that uses these techniques to manage interest rate risk and volatility, I'll buy one that does it well: FPNIX. It doesn't seek high current income, just the opposite (though it still sports a very similar SEC yield of 2.
59% vs. 2.69% for RPIEX). Slow and steady wins the race.
Here's a
chart comparing their performance over the lifetime of RPIEX.
What’s a bond fund like this doing in T. Rowe’s stable? (RPIEX) I agree that alternative funds have been lagging badly in down cycles, thus I don't see them for drawdown protection. Once you subtract the high fees (typically 2% or more), the results are pretty sad. No wonder those who manage these expensive products are doing very well in their paychecks.
I think in today low yield environment, there is always a demand for better yield products. The recession fear drives these alternative products. I am not surprise of T. Rowe Price is offering this bond fund. Vanguard offers a Market Neutral fund, VMNFX ($50K min and ER 1.80%) , and the 3-years, 5-years returns and 10-years return are -4.71%, -1.32% and 1.08%, respectively.
What’s a bond fund like this doing in T. Rowe’s stable? (RPIEX) Re: RPIEX - T. Rowe Price Dynamic Global Bond Fund. Just discovered this one. Price appears to classify it as an it as “alternative” investment. It comprises about 2% of RPGAX - so many of us have some exposure to it.
From Lipper: “The Fund seeks high current income. The Fund invests at least 80% of its net in bonds, and seeks to offer some protection against rising interest rates and provide a low correlation with the equity markets. It invests at least 40% of its net assets in foreign securities including securities of emerging market issuers.” Inception Date: 1/22/15.
M* gives it 1 star. Lipper ranks it 1 (lowest) for total return. Max Funds awards it 19 out of 100.
It appears the fund engages in short selling of bonds to hedge against (anticipated) rising rates. That probably explains a lot, as the Fed and other CBs seem to be doing everything in their power to hold the lid on still very low rates. Many alternative investment funds have struggled and disappointed. But it eludes me how what appears to be a bond fund from such a good house can be off 0.67% over 3 years.
I post only as a possible intellectual exercise for those so inclined. Not seriously considering owning this one.
* "BigTom">RCRIX has a small AUM. I wouldn’t be comfortable knowing the top 10 securities make up 49% of the portfolio in floating rate space (75% in junk) but that’s just me..
BigTom, very understandable. The category of Bank Loan/Floating Rate is basically a subsector, of the broader HY Junk Bond category. For an investor, especially a conservative bond oef investor, to be willing to invest in junk bonds, is an important question that each investor should answer. The Bank Loan/Floating rate bond oef, that I would most likely invest in, is MWFRX/MWFLX. It is from a stable of bond oefs, offered by Met West, and it has an established history of being managed very conservatively, at least "conservative" for a sector HY bond category.
RCRIX/RCRFX is from a smaller investment company, but a company that has offered some very good bond oefs, with a very conservative approach to investing. But on a confidence/comfort level, many investors will choose to only invest in a larger fund, from a more well known company.
I offered this topic to just offer a topic of discussion for a category of bond oefs, that has been around for many years. In general Bank Loan/Floating Rate funds, are considered a bit more conservative way of investing in junk bonds, at least from my experience. Of course some Bank Loan/Floating Rate bond oefs can vary greatly in risk, with many having much higher volatility, much worse performance in downmarkets, and focusing on much riskier types of bank loan assets.
* RCRIX has a small AUM.
I wouldn’t be comfortable knowing the top 10 securities make up 49% of the portfolio in floating rate space (75% in junk) but that’s just me...
Dividend stocks look attractive with a volatile year that nets measly returns expected ahead Hi
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Now for my comment about this article. Old_Skeet has two sleeves of dividend paying mutual funds. Both sleeves are found in the growth & income area of my portfolio with one being my domestic equity sleeve and the other one being my global equity sleeve.
My domestic equity sleeve consist of ANCFX, FDSAX, INUTX and SVAAX. This sleeve has a dividend yield of 2.9
5% with a 1 year total retrun of 17.78% and a
5 year total return of 8.36%. The P/E Ratio for this sleeve is 14.3.
My global equity sleeve consist of CWGIX, DEQAX, DWGAX and EADIX. This sleeve has a dividend yield of 2.17% with a 1 year total return of 22.7
5% and a
5 year total return of 8.06%. The P/E Ratio for this sleeve is 16.3
5.
Why two sleeves?
From reivew one is more domestic and the other takes a global perspective including some emerging market exposure. With this, there can be, at times, advantages for one over the other. Currently, the domestic sleeve has the higher divided yield; but, the global equity sleeve has the better 1 year performance while they both share about the same
5 year returns. In addition, these two sleeves add some diverisfication to the overall portfolio and combined they account for about 1
5% of the portfolio. I'm thinking that the domestic sleeve will be the better performer this year due to it's lower P/E Ratio which allows for some good price expansion. Also, it holds a good amount of energy stocks which I feel have some good upside associated with them.
Once, I build out INUTX I've been thinking of adding VYCAX to the sleeve. In addition, DWGAX is not yet fully built as a sleeve member and is under construction.