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Theoretically there is a topical limit on your post about conservative bond fund investments. Is it a good idea to drag it off topic with subjects that might die for lack of interest if they were in the cruel world on their own?
Regarding your comments, that it is better to post multiple more specific threads, as opposed to one larger thread, that is more encompassing, I found the posters on M* had varying opinions. However, it seemed that at M*, the larger and more encompassing thread, became almost a separate category of the Bond Investing Forum. I found posters quickly going to the larger thread, to see the latest discussions, as opposed to hunting down multiple more specific threads, that often disappeared for lack of interest, much more quickly.
That's a good suggestion. Most threads begin to suffer from drift after three pages. Sorting out the back and forth between posters becomes more tedious. And it's not like threads are being rationed.@dtconroe -
I have a second suggestion also. Your discussion post "Bond OEF investing for more conservative investors" is a fine, fine post and holds a great deal of interest for many of the visitors to the MFO discussion board, me included. However, you will note that one must now move through 5 (at last count) pages to read the whole thing. Might I suggest that in the future you initiate new discussion topics such as your "Bank Loan/Floating Rate OEF's", "Non Traditional Bond OEF's" and "Muni Bond Investing" as entirely new discussion threads rather than as one continuous stream as they are now situated. I recognize that they are all about bond OEF investing but I also think it's easy for folks to get lost as more comments are posted along the way in attempting to discern which of the introduced topics the comment pertains to. Just a thought.
First, I don't have to invest in a taxable account. Most investors have much more money in their IRA.DODFX vs HFQTX depends on whether you're investing in a tax-sheltered account (where you're losing the benefit of the foreign tax credit) or in a taxable account.
In a taxable account, one pays a cost for the Janus fund's frenetic trading (142% turnover ratio).
Comparing the tax adjusted returns for HFQIX (a lower cost, longer lifetime share class) with DODFX:DODFX HFQIXAll figures as of 12/31/19
1 yr 21.06% 18.12%
3 yr 6.76% 4.11%
5 yr 2.88% 2.63%
10 yr 4.95% 4.46%
http://performance.morningstar.com/fund/tax-analysis.action?t=DODFX
http://performance.morningstar.com/fund/tax-analysis.action?t=HFQIX
The useful features at M* are free. I have found the data here worth paying for.I have not completely left M*. I greatly value its Portfolio section, where I have numerous watch lists of funds, in which I can set up a large array of fund components,that I monitor on an ongoing basis. The Portfolio section provides easy access to a large amount of fund analytical data, and comparative capabilities, which I use extensively in due diligence processes. I do believe that changes in the M* platform, have made it more difficult to access data that I previously valued, but even with many flaws there, it still is very valuable to me.
Here are the specific Capture Metrics:
Upside Capture compares the positive return of a fund, comprised of positive month ending returns, to one of four indexes, over evaluation period specified, measured in percentage. So, compared to SP500, an Upside Capture of 120% means the fund retuned or "captured" 20% more positive return than SP500 over the evaluation period specified.
Downside Capture compares the negative return of a fund, comprised of its negative month ending returns, to one of four indexes, over evaluation period specified, measured in percentage. So, compared to SP500, a Downside Capture of 80% means the fund retuned or "captured" only 80% of downside that the SP500 over the evaluation period specified.
Capture Ratio is simple the ratio of Upside To Downside Capture. Values greater than 1.0 means that a fund capture more upside than downside compared to its reference fund ... a good thing!
Up Months is simply number of months with positive returns of index over evaluation period specified.
Down Months is simply number of months with negative returns of index over evaluation period specified.
Neither fund is subject to gating/redemption fees.Why would one ever mess around with VUSXX, assuming they hold an account in vanguard? The vanguard sweep account, Vanguard Federal Money Market Fund (VMFXX), yields a tick more, is just as "safe" and has no restrictions.
This retiree prefers to separate strategies so he sees the moving parts he's betting on -- I mean investing in.Pimco Real Return PRRIX provides worthwhile inflation-protected bond exposure, which can help preserve purchasing power in retirement. By Miriam Sjoblom, (CFA) for M* ,Jan 16, 2020
"Despite some noteworthy team turnover, Pimco Real Return's experienced management team and extensive supporting cast of global-bond specialists continue to give it an edge in the inflation-linked bond arena. Given the importance of low fees in this competitive field, the fund's cheapest institutional share classes earn Morningstar Analyst Ratings of Silver and Bronze, while its remaining shares are rated Neutral."
Article Here
But for people that don't like to own too many funds this offering from PIMCO is probably safe enough.It employs macro-driven strategies (driven by real growth, inflation, and country-specific analysis) and micro-driven themes (including Consumer Price Index seasonality, on-the-run/off-the-run premiums, and implied inflation volatility). Although U.S. TIPS and, to a lesser extent, other global inflation-linked bonds dominate the portfolio, the strategy can invest up to 20% in other sectors, such as corporates and securitized fare.
The approach has led to sizable off-index bets at times, a trait that distinguishes it from its more-constrained peers, including use of Pimco's bonds-plus techniques, by which the strategy gets exposure to its primary sectors via derivatives and invests the cash collateral in short-term bonds. The team may also make meaningful and swift maturity shifts, though the portfolio's overall duration has generally stayed within a year of the benchmark's. The strategy's adventurous nature can cause its performance to diverge from that of the U.S. TIPS market at times. But overall, its flexible approach, which benefits from the insights of Pimco's broad, deep bench of global-bond experts, earns a High Process Pillar rating.
Duration is 1.9 years, SEC yield 1.56% and ER 0.07%.
It's mostly foreign, and classified as an infrastructure sector fund based in the US, just as MGGPX is a US Fund World Large Stock fund, i.e. a US based global fund.I've used two for some time now, MGGPX a world fund and GLFOX a sector fund mentioned by WABAC which M* categorizes as a US Infrastructure fund but it's mostly not. I would love to hear the logic behind that placement.
https://www.morningstar.com/articles/751882/growing-fund-choices-spur-4-new-categoriesWhat types of firms do infrastructure funds invest in?
Infrastructure funds primarily invest in energy, industrial, utilities, and telecom firms that hold long-duration assets that generate stable cash flows. Examples include toll road operators, pipeline firms, airports, cell tower owners, and electric and gas utilities.
What are the general traits of infrastructure funds?
Prior to the creation of the infrastructure category, most of the funds were classified as world-stock funds. Typically, these funds have about a 30% to 50% allocation in U.S. stocks with the remainder invested in firms domiciled in the developed world. These funds, on average, tend to exhibit lower beta relative to the market.
DODFX HFQIXAll figures as of 12/31/19
1 yr 21.06% 18.12%
3 yr 6.76% 4.11%
5 yr 2.88% 2.63%
10 yr 4.95% 4.46%
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