investing in oil? I only just last week initiated a miniscule toe-hold in COP ConocoPhillips, and will very slowly grow it. (Their DSPP is about the best I've seen in terms of simplicity. The charges all come at the back-end, when selling, and it's not unreasonable at all.) I bought at $
53.12, and a bit more will be recorded tomorrow (already sent and noted as "pending,") and the stock is today at $48.21. I intend this as a long-term position. If it takes even a few
years for oil to bounce back, I'll be growing my dividend, which is being reinvested.
5.
5% yield....In the back of my mind, I keep remembering the airlines barely able to stay afloat, (and the airline bankruptcies!) until oil swooned, and now I note HA at about 30 for 40 X where it was just several years ago. In the same vein, I don't want to look back and see that I missed the best entry-point for the biggest oil E & P company in decades or maybe my lifetime. (Jeez, if only I had money to invest, back in the '90s!) COP is shortly to have a conference call re: 2016 plan, and has a cost-cutting plan already underway, re-aligning its portfolio into cheaper sources of product. The company says in a "forward-looking statement" that they expect to become profitable again, in 2016.
https://www.flashratings.com/stocks/3529-COP?in=true
Dividend Funds Struggle To Keep Pace With S&P 500
investing in oil? For those who feel like really rolling the dice, Kinder Morgan warrants are now.... (drumroll)....11 cents. They were $5.50 or so in April. I continue to ponder the Kinder preferred.
I am not selling what I have left in terms of oil-related names (pipelines), but I'm glad that what I had in terms of oil producers months ago went into financial/commodity exchanges (CME, ICE.) ICE in particular has done quite well since the oil decline started. I will probably not be going back into oil producers, but may add to pipelines but I am waiting to see how the situation goes - I'm willing to miss the initial few % of a turn rather than trying to pick bottoms.
High Yield Munis holding up well versus High Yield Corp Bonds
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High Yield Munis holding up well versus High Yield Corp Bonds
High Yield Munis holding up well versus High Yield Corp Bonds @Junkster Oh yeah, let's have a little rock and roll. So far, a very conventional deterioration, IMO. All that's left is the "contagion effect." Unless a black swan happens by, HY muni should hang in there o.k., though I presently have no chips on that square.
OIL SPILLhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-08/year-of-distress-for-debt-burdened-oil-firms-just-got-even-worse
“I can’t see an average mutual fund stepping into energy high yield at these levels,” said Steven Azarbad, chief investment officer at Maglan Capital, a New York-based distressed hedge fund. “This is really a distressed investing market.” He said the “scramble for liquidity” was such that investors “are becoming less sensitive to price. People just want to get out."[my bold]
Ah, a tune with a familiar melody...... get ready for the "rousing" chorus?
You say goodbye, and I say hello, hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello.
https://youtu.be/rblYSKz_VnI
welcome to the discussion a/k/a help board for MFO's premium tools Understand about Martin etc, and will investigate in detail per your suggestions; thanks. Implies that if you have an LC fund that is similar to SP500 in most respects, it becomes riskier simply from the passage of time. Unless I am missing something, entirely likely. Hard to believe that. Must check vs Danoff, e.g.
welcome to the discussion a/k/a help board for MFO's premium tools Yeah, that's kinda what I see.
Most LC funds have volatility measured by STDEV, DSDEV, or Ulcer Index similar to S&P 500 (specifically between 75 and 125% of S&P500).
Pretty broad, I know.
I suppose we could up Risk Group rankings to 1 thru 10, just at time did not want to make it too precise...you know, like measuring a marshmallow with a micrometer.
But, maybe not.
welcome to the discussion a/k/a help board for MFO's premium tools >> most large cap equity funds have risk (volatility) close to s&p 500, which by our definition gets a 4.
Not following. Is SP500 less risky than any funds w a 3 rating? Always? Never? Or to put it the other way, no longterm LC mutual fund is less risky than SP500 by these criteria?
Sorry to be dense, but this seems unbelievable.
welcome to the discussion a/k/a help board for MFO's premium tools @daivdmoran.
No mistake on your part! I look for moderate risk equity funds all the time...just hard to find.
Which leads to the conclusion that SP
500 is actually less risky than
any LC fund the last decade or two? Seriously? To get any funds to look at I need to go risk 4? Wow.
Basically, since the s&p
500 is mostly large caps, most large cap equity funds have risk (volatility) close to s&p
500, which by our definition gets a 4.
Just the way it is.
c
welcome to the discussion a/k/a help board for MFO's premium tools Which leads to the conclusion that SP500 is actually less risky than any LC fund the last decade or two? Seriously? To get any funds to look at I need to go risk 4? Wow.
welcome to the discussion a/k/a help board for MFO's premium tools The reason David is that all 40 funds meeting the previous criteria are in Risk Group 4 and 5.
If you just look at 3 lc fund categories of moderate risk or less, you'll find...14 funds, but with either higher er or shorter life or tenure than you specified.
Hope that helps.
c
welcome to the discussion a/k/a help board for MFO's premium tools ok. last step...mfo risk group 1, 2, 3, which translates to very conservative, conservative, and moderate funds, which is based on volatility relative to overall s&p
500...
which yields...
none
just like you said...
High Yield Munis holding up well versus High Yield Corp Bonds Holding up well a bit misleading as they are more than just holding up. They are beating most all the equity index and category returns as well as leading the pack in Bondville. Some of the better managed open end junk munis are up 4% to 5% YTD. And that is on top of last year's gain in the high teens. The junk corporates (ex short term junk) are down around 2.5% through today with several down more than 4%. Hope the pain in the corporates gets much, much worse because they will be setting up for a double digit annual gain somewhere down the road. How far down that road I haven't a clue.
welcome to the discussion a/k/a help board for MFO's premium tools ok, now 3 lc funds, 1
5 years or older age and tenure, and 1% er or less...
yields 40 funds...
welcome to the discussion a/k/a help board for MFO's premium tools now, 3 lc funds, 1
5 years or more with manager tenure 1
5 years or more...
yields 77 funds...