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  • MFO Ratings Updated Through June 2016
    @ teapot: I couldn't resist, the devil made me do it !
    Regards,
    Ted
  • M*: Why We're Moving DoubleLine Total Return Bond Fund's Rating To Neutral
    Looks like TGLMX has better performance 1, 3, 5 year time frame. Manager performance or sector perfomance?
  • M*: Why We're Moving DoubleLine Total Return Bond Fund's Rating To Neutral
    FYI: A talented manager, but we still have questions about the fund’s process and firm stewardship.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://news.morningstar.com/articlenet/article.aspx?id=759331
  • MFO Ratings Updated Through June 2016
    @teapot.
    Ha! You and lots of other investors in commodities and EM these last few years.
    GO distinctions are based on a fund's relative risk-adjusted return within category. So, the category can perform badly, like commodities and EM have done last few years ... indeed among the most hated funds, but individual funds can still get high marks.
    BRCNX and JOEMX have both delivered top quintile performance the past 3 and 5 year periods in their respective categories.
    Here is screenshot from premium site for BRCNX, showing strong relative performance during tough periods of absolute performance:
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    Hope that helps.
    Very much appreciate the feedback/suggestions. If you have any other issues/questions, do not hesitate to post/contact us.
    Thanks again.
    c
  • Laura Geritz (Wasatch) is out
    I bought some DRFRX last week at TD in my IRA account when the minimum was still $2500, after reading about it here. Now it shows $100K minimum for IRA, and $10K min to buy additional shares.
  • Our Forecasting Curse
    Hi Catch,
    Thanks for your interesting perspective. I agree that each investor gets to choose his own poison, although sometimes well meaning and well paid financial advisors intentionally usurp that responsibility. Regardless, investors are responsible for their decisions either made by themselves or some paid consultant.
    I have had a dear and long-term relationship with one such advisor. I suspect we remain on friendly terms because I don’t invest through him, and I rarely accept his market pronouncements without careful due diligence.
    The man is a flake. He is far too overconfident of his own knowledge base and the market’s projected direction. I suspect that he doesn’t keep score of his forecasts, but I informally do and its not pretty. He does play an aggressive tennis game, but, once again, he consistently overplays his perceived skill level. No surprise there.
    It seems like every time one of his market forecasts goes haywire (quite often), he adds another parameter to his market prediction model. Not unexpectedly, the revised model reproduces the database with improved fidelity; that is, until the next market scoring period. If enough parameters are added, a near perfect match is likely.
    Well, over several years, my friend’s market model has grown from about a 6 parameter model to perhaps a 15 parameter model. Yes, it does a better prediction today when contrasted to yesterday, but I suspect yet another revision will be implemented in the near future. If the number of open parameters are increased to exactly match the number of data points, a perfect reproduction (not a prediction) of the data set will happen.
    Each of us has our own way of making a projection. As a general rule, the simpler the model, the more likely it will prove to be the better in terms of its robustness and longevity. Jack Bogle makes that precise point in many of his books.
    But overall, precise market forecasting is a fool’s game. On an annual basis, returns are almost completely random in character. Adding parameters might make us more comfortable investors (a feeling of control), but they will not make us any wealthier than an Index-based plan. That might be a sad judgment, but it is fundamentally true except for a few very rare individuals.
    I agree with Junkster. Everyone can control their money management with discipline, but forecasting the markets is an impossible task.
    Best Wishes to All.
  • Our Forecasting Curse
    Hi Guys,
    Try as we might, it is a challenge to be neutral about the marketplace’s direction. Everyone and his uncle has an opinion, a few more informed than most others.
    That’s our forecasting curse, and it often does us more harm than good. We all like to participate in what often turns into a Loser’s Game. One extrapolation of the 80-20 rule can be used to establish the creditability of that argument.
    You all are familiar with the generic 80-20 rule. One of its most popular interpretations is that 80% of the work is accomplished by 20% of the folks, or that 80% of an individual’s output is coupled to only 20% of his efforts. Lots of wasted motion.
    The 80-20 variation that I want to discuss highlights the futility of forecasting follies. Trying to anticipate market movements rather than simply staying-the-course loses more often than it gains. The behavioral researchers have tested this hypothesis with an experimental game they call Red Light, Green Light.
    Test participants in this game are asked to forecast if a random light will be either red or green. They are informed that the light color is randomly selected, but that it will be green 80% of the time. Now they play the game, and their score is recorded.
    The expected correct score should be approximately 80%. Just about all experiment subjects fail to achieve that level. They fail because they believe they see a pattern that can be exploited. They are wrong. Here is a Link to a NY Times article that discusses some experimental results:
    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/forecasting-is-for-the-birds-and-rats/?_r=0
    A superior strategy, given that each outcome is randomly independent, is to forecast green every single time. From simple probability theory, if that strategy is used, the player will be on average (1.0 X 0.8) + (0.0 X 0.2) = 0.80 or 80% correct.
    Most participants adopt a more complex strategy. Some like to play a strategy that is weighted to the given 80-20 distribution. Again, from a simple probability calculation, the player will on average generate (0.8 X 0.8) + (0.2 X 0.2) = 0.68 or 68% correct guesstimates. This strategy has decreased the odds of winning.
    This simple probability analysis demonstrates the power and wisdom of betting on the favorite outcome consistently. Lower level animals learn this lesson quickly. Investors don’t. The strategy of betting in proportion to the frequency of occurrence lowers the likelihood of a successful outcome.
    This type of analysis can be applied to the equity marketplace. The historical data reveals that on a monthly basis, equities have increased in value 59.6 % of the time since 1950. The upward reward happens roughly 70% of the time on an annual basis.
    Doing the same analysis for a 70% positive annual equity return yields the following results for the two strategies defined. For the no-brainer who is always in the market strategy, that investor will obviously get positive rewards 70% of the time,
    For the more sophisticated investor who plans to be committed to equities 70% of the time and in bonds/cash 30% of the time, his success ratio, on average, is likely to be (0.7 X 0.7) + (0.3 X 0.3) = 0.58 or 58%. Here again, the frequency strategy is likely to be less rewarding than the always-in strategy.
    Unless an investor is prescient or especially insightful or perhaps just plain lucky, his forecasting (likely linked to a pattern seeking and seeing tendency) will probably degrade his cumulative long-term returns. Once again simple beats complex. Or does it?
    There is a danger to oversimplifying a problem. I tend to be more or less committed to being in the market. But I do adjust my percentage of equity holdings depending on some measures like overall market P/E ratio. I hold fewer equities when that measure is high. As H.L. Mencken said: “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong”.
    Certainties do not exist in the investment universe. So I hedge and broadly diversify. What do you do?
    Best Regards.
  • Laura Geritz (Wasatch) is out
    Two quick notes:
    On Ms. Geritz: I've reached out to her, but haven't heard back. Nonetheless, I'm pretty comfortable inferring what she's up to. Her LinkedIn profile adds "portfolio manager" for two charitable organizations, both beginning in 2016. 2016 marks her 10th anniversary at Wasatch and she was praised for "working tirelessly" in her years there. I could imagine someone in her position being quite well-off but feeling a bit drained. Changed directions to use her skills to benefit poor people around the world might well have been mightily appealing.
    On Driehaus: DRFRX now shows $250,000 minimums at TD as elsewhere. I'm told that the lower minimum might have been a data entry error. That said, TD maintains an opening for prospective investors. TD continues to list the AIP initial minimum for the fund at $100. I have no opinion, positive or negative, about the fund. I really haven't read enough to earn one. But if I were predisposed to want in, I might try to very, very quietly open up an account and see if it sticks. Occasionally investors get bounced when such errors are discovered, occasionally advisors simply shrug, close the gate and leave those who are in, in.
    For what interest any of that holds,
    David
  • A lot to like about this week
    Junk bonds have performed best in the months of Dec, Jan, and Feb.
    Since 1986 using PRHYX *, median 3 month returns = 3.8%
    3 loss periods:
    1986 5%
    1987 6%
    1988 7.40%
    1989 2.80%
    1990 -6.40%
    1991 7%
    1992 6%
    1993 7.10%
    1994 2.30%
    1995 5.30%
    1996 3.40%
    1997 4.30%
    1998 4.70%
    1999 1.40%
    2000 2.10%
    2001 9.20%
    2002 0.0%
    2003 3.70%
    2004 3.90%
    2005 2.30%
    2006 2.70%
    2007 3.60%
    2008 -3.60%
    2009 6.70%
    2010 4.30%
    2011 5.60%
    2012 8.80%
    2013 3.80%
    2014 3.40%
    2015 1.20%
    2016 -3.20%
    * T. Rowe Price High Yield Fnd Inc.
  • A lot to like about this week
    Junkster Yes, that part of the first article was obviously outdated; I posted the link for the other stuff therein. Good point about TR vs NAV, I hadn't considered that, but then I just don't pay much attention to "highest in 92 weeks!""first time under 52-wk moving average since Nov2014!""lowest spreads since 2012!" kind of ephemera--- because half the time it's just crap wrong, and the other half the time it's not useful/actionable. Just mind clutter. But as catch22 notes, there seems to be a lot of desperatehot money roaming around out there, that doesn't really know what to do with itself in the present bizarre situation, so everything could change again, wholesale, by next Friday.
  • A lot to like about this week
    Hi @Junkster
    Yup...........several years ago we held about 65% junk for a long time frame. Currently, we hold 52% of total in investment grade bonds (gov't. and corp.) No junk at this time.
    YTD to date, today:
    --- IEF = +9%
    --- HYG = +9.3%
    --- LQD = >11%
    --- EDV = >30%
    --- ZROZ = >31%
    'Course, there have been a few time frames since the market melt when most bonds and equity move up together for awhile.
    After this initial bump and grind since the BREXIT, equity and bonds traveling similar return rate paths. One and I may find this interesting, almost too interesting.
    I expect money traveling in many directions the remainder of this year, looking for the overbought to buy some oversold.
    Tis a lot of hot cash still roaming about looking for a bit of value, even if for a week or two.
    I believe "bumpy ride" has arrived for a stay.
    Regards,
    Catch
  • This Closed-End Fund Looks Cheap And Boasts A 10% Yield: PCI
    5.8% is a "steep discount", when the 3-yr ave. discount has been 9.6%?
    43% levered, total e.r. of 2+%
    Good yuck, investors; if a swan flies in, you're gonna need it.
  • DoubleLine's Gundlach: Gold Remains Best Investment In 'Shaky' World
    Hear More Next Week !
    More Thoughts from Mr Gundlach in Tue.July 12th Webcast
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    Asset Allocation Webcast
    Please join us for a live webcast titled "Asset Allocation" hosted by:
    Jeffrey Gundlach
    Mr. Gundlach will be discussing the economy, the markets and his outlook for what he believes may be the best investment strategies and sector allocations for the DoubleLine Core Fixed Income Fund (DBLFX/DLFNX) and Flexible Income Fund (DFLEX/DLINX).
    Tuesday, July 12, 2016
    1:15 pm PT/4:15 pm ET/3:15 pm CT
    Register
    https://event.webcasts.com/starthere.jsp?ei=1085766
  • A lot to like about this week
    Not a lot of excitement considering the S&P and Dow are at/or whispers from all time highs. That is always a good sign. Junk bonds at all time highs 4 of the past 5 days and completely ignoring the rout in oil this week. Advancing volume over declining volume one of the best of the year today. Poor junk bonds, they get no respect. Yet since the turn of the new century have beaten the revered VBINX and VFINX. And I don't mean that sarcastically as I believe nearly all investors would be better off in the latter two funds. Instead it seems most investors are more fixated constructing the "perfect" diversified portfolio than accumulating wealth. Some can't seem to shake the fear of another 2008. Witness the long thread about......... which are under water the past 3 and 5 years. I realize I am a short term trader who will not tolerate losses, but still, how does holding funds that are under water 5 years running add to one's retirement nest egg??
  • This Closed-End Fund Looks Cheap And Boasts A 10% Yield: PCI
    FYI: Analysts at Morgan Stanley Wealth Management gave the go-ahead to buy a Pimco bond closed-end fund that trades at steep discount and boasts a high yield.
    The research team, led by John Duggan, initiated coverage of the Pimco Dynamic Credit Income Fund (PCI) with an “overweight” rating on Friday. PCI touts a 10.2% annualized distribution rate and currently trades at 5.8% discount to its net asset value. That’s cheaper to the average of 3.9% for other multi-sector bond CEFs
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://blogs.barrons.com/focusonfunds/2016/07/08/this-closed-end-fund-looks-cheap-and-boasts-a-10-yield/tab/print/
    M* Snapshot PCI:
    http://www.morningstar.com/cefs/xnys/pci/quote.html
    CEFA Snapshot PCI:
    http://www.cefa.com/FundSelector/FundDetail.fs?ID=202238
  • Robo-advisors
    @MFO Members: Speaking of robo-advisors, Legg Mason is getting into the act.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20160707/FREE/160709965?template=printart
  • DBLTX, TOTL or both?
    JG talks about the difference between TOTL and DBLTX.

    IBD: What are the similarities and differences between the Total Return Fund and TOTL, the ETF?
    Gundlach: They're not the same.
    The interest-rate risk in TOTL is the same
    Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/is-doublelines-jeffrey-gundlach-the-new-bond-king-cm505054#ixzz3rNvBpyY9
    FWIW, I use TOTL. My other fixed income funds include PIMIX, AGG and muni CEFs/OEF.
    Here's a discussion on TOTL at M*.
    socialize.morningstar.com/NewSocialize/forums/p/361154/3752952.aspx#3752952
  • Bill Gross's Investment Outlook For July: Just A Game
    These points having been discussed from years ago and now, at FundAlarm and here.
    .....aging demographics, too much debt, and technological advances including job-threatening robotization are significantly responsible for 2% peak U.S. real GDP as
    opposed to 4-5% only a decade ago.

    The "this time is different" has been dismissed by many talking heads since the 2008/09 market melt.