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  • Buy, Sell and Ponder October 2017
    Hi guys!
    An up day for the markets and a down day for the country......it's really sad.
    God bless
    the Pudd
  • Revisiting Roth Conversion Strategies using Mutual Funds

    If you want to convert $10K, then you just pick the fund that did the best. (Technically you have until October 15, 2018 to do the recharacterizations, so you could watch and wait a long time to see which one does the best.)
    You'll owe $1500 in taxes. As you said, you should have a good sense of how to pay for this. You may be suggesting that this come out of a Roth. Generally (unless one is trying to keep one's income down), that's not a good idea. Once money is in a Roth all growth is tax-free. It doesn't get any better than that. Money from anywhere else is less valuable.
    Even if you are going to pull the tax money from a Roth, you likely want to pull it from the fund(s) that you expect to do worse going forward.

    msf,
    Three questions:
    1. Why pick the fund that did the best to convert the $10K?
    2. I understand why it is generally not a good idea to pay the tax from the Roth. But what do you mean by "unless one is trying to keep one's income down"?
    3. Why pull the tax from the fund(s) that you expect to do worse going forward?
    Mona
  • FUND SYMBOL REFERENCE BOX LINK NOT WORKING = FROM VARIOUS DISCUSSIONS
    WHILE VIEWING DISCUSSIONS THAT REFER TO 1 OR MORE FUNDS , I CLICK ON THE SYMBOL,
    = THE 'POP UP BOX' IS BLANK.
    --THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR 2 DAYS
    THANKS FOR ANY ASSISTANCE
    RALPH
  • Revisiting Roth Conversion Strategies using Mutual Funds
    @msf,
    Thanks for your comments. I see your point.
    I have also read that the best time to convert to a Roth would have been at a market low. "Convert to Roth low when potentially more under priced shares can be sold "cheaply". Ultimately it is the after tax return investors should be striving for. Since all Roth returns after inherently "after tax" returns, I strive to maximizing as much of the 15% tax bracket by considering adding to my taxable income up to the 15% tax bracket maximum.
    I should also say that I am trying to stay eligible for ACA Insurance subsidies which can be at odds with Roth conversions and maximizing tax brackets.
    Much like "after tax returns on investment", I believe even income (whether earned or unearned) can be looked at through the lense of "after tax income".
  • Can Target-Maturity Bond ETFs Replace Individual Bonds?
    Unfortunately common ETF myopia. Describes a problem (how to get diversification with a bond ladder), and then says: "Enter ... ETFs". Seemingly ignorant of the fact that defined maturity bond funds (DMFs) have existed since 1985.
    Vanguard has a much more analytic piece on DMFs here:
    https://personal.vanguard.com/pdf/ICRDMB.pdf
    Call it confirmation bias, but I think it's spot on. They observe that the protection against rising rates that individual bonds (or DMFs) supposedly offer is essentially illusory. That's because as rates rise, bond prices drop. You may choose to think "well, I'm not selling, so I haven't lost value", but you've paid an opportunity cost (not getting the higher yield of new bonds) equal to the price drop. Vanguard says that the "return of principal ... benefit is more emotional in nature."
    They note that even laddering bonds (or DMFs) has increased volatility relative to a "regular" fund (or ETF) because of the saw-tooth nature of laddered bond duration. It falls until a bond matures, then spikes up with the replacement bond, and then repeats this pattern.
    Where DMFs excel IMHO is in immunizing a bond portfolio. If you've got a particular need some time down the road (e.g. college expenses), you can invest in a DMF that matures just when you need that money. ISTM that here zero coupons work best, because then there's no reinvestment risk (the possibility that you won't get the same rate of return on reinvested interest). Only American Century offers zero DMFs, and it isn't issuing any new ones.
    Vanguard also identifies what it considers a drawback of ETF DMFs vs. OE DMFs: "Investors purchase DMF exchange-traded funds (ETFs) at market price, but receive net asset value (NAV) at maturity. The difference in these amounts represents a sometimes unrecognized cost that investors may incur."
    Aside from that, the higher costs of OEFs, and the usual ETF overhead of brokerage fees, market spread, etc., OEF and ETF DMFs seem to have pretty much the same benefits and drawbacks.
  • Revisiting Roth Conversion Strategies using Mutual Funds
    You seem to be combining two things: (1) selecting which fund to convert (i.e. keep as a Roth), and (2) how to pay the tax on the conversion. These can be taken separately.
    If you want to convert $10K, then you just pick the fund that did the best. (Technically you have until October 15, 2018 to do the recharacterizations, so you could watch and wait a long time to see which one does the best.)
    You'll owe $1500 in taxes. As you said, you should have a good sense of how to pay for this. You may be suggesting that this come out of a Roth. Generally (unless one is trying to keep one's income down), that's not a good idea. Once money is in a Roth all growth is tax-free. It doesn't get any better than that. Money from anywhere else is less valuable.
    Even if you are going to pull the tax money from a Roth, you likely want to pull it from the fund(s) that you expect to do worse going forward. Those may not be the same funds as just did well this year. We all know that "past performance does not guarantee future results", YMMV, etc.
  • David Snowball's October Commentary Is Now Available
    >> ran a valuation screen ... designed to identify “deep value” stocks. The screen looks at earnings yield relative to bonds, dividend yield relative to bonds, total corporate debt. and 10-year price/earnings ratio. Using that test, “in the US not a single stock passes the screen. Not one single solitary stock can be called deep value.”
    Is there perhaps a point to be made here about efficient markets / rational-actor judgments in this ever so much wider information age?
  • Revisiting Roth Conversion Strategies using Mutual Funds
    One of the best Roth conversion strategies I've come across requires making many smaller "Roth conversion sub accounts' in January and then selecting the best performing (between January - April of the following year) "sub-account" to convert. "Sub-accounts" not converted are then re-characterized and returned to deferred IRA status.
    Here we are in October, when, historically speaking, the market performs its best over the next six months (Oct-Apr). Might this not be a good time to consider this same strategy?
    Here's one scenario. Lets say back in January I divided my IRA ($50,000 account) into (5) $10,0000 sub-accounts (that were designated for Roth conversion). Each invested differently. I will use T. Rowe Price funds for this example since I am familiar with their performance. Each sub-account holds just one fund, so (5) funds each valued at $10,000 as of January 2017.
    January 2017 - September 2017 has been very good YTD for these funds. So much so that a these $10,000 conversion would be valued at the following for a few funds I track ( I own each as well):
    PRWCX = $11,206, PRHSX = $12,286, PRIDX = $13,106, PRMTX = $12,666, and PRNHX = $12,566
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    On a $10,000 conversion, at a 15% tax, $1500 would be due in April 2018. As you can see, 4 out of the 5 funds could fully fund that tax bill with the tax free growth since January 2017 when each conversion was set up.
    In fact, had you not set up these conversion accounts in January you could do it now and pay the additional taxes on the October 2017 value.
    The 15% taxes for the 4 funds that made the cut (PRWCX didn't since it has grown less than the tax liability) would be $1500 on the original $10,000 plus the taxes on the gains since January.
    So if you converted in October you would owe (taxes in parenthesis) for each of these funds:
    PRHSX = $12,286 ($1843)
    PRIDX = $13,106 ($1966)
    PRMTX = $12,666 ($1900)
    PRNHX = $12,566 ($1885)
    The gains so far this year (January - October 2017) would cover the tax liability which... is a very good thing. One could merely go to cash or if history is in you favor continue to stay invested until April 2018 (tax filing for the conversion).
    As important as having a Roth conversion strategy one should also have a good sense as to the tax liability on these conversions as well as how to pay for these conversions (taxes).
  • Does this Mutual Fund's Cash (ST Investments) qualify it as an Allocation Fund?
    After reviewing my portfolio recently I realized one mutual fund, FMIJX, holds a fair amount of cash (what the FMI website terms "short term investments"). Here's the funds most recent holdings with 22.2% of the fund in "short term investments".
    fiduciarymgt.com/funds/in/IN_holdings.pdf
    This fund is categorized as a Foreign Large Blend fund with a bent toward large growth, though presently 14% of its stocks are US equities.
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    This fund has a short history only back to 2010, but seems to have very good risk adjusted returns. It has held large amounts of ST investments over that time. Fund Mojo listed the following recent fund allocations:
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    I'm beginning to consider this a Foreign Allocation fund. Do you own anything similar, especially with (Foreign, Global, International) holdings?
  • Q&A With Ric Edelman, Founder, Edelman Financial Services: Fintech: (XT)
    FYI: Ric Edelman, founder of Edelman Financial Services, and one of the driving forces behind the creation of the $1.35 billion iShares Exponential Technologies ETF (XT), has had an interest in technology as well as its implications for advisors and investors. His most recent book, The Truth About Your Future, is all about how rapid technological advances will radically change how we live, invest and retire. ETF.com chatted with him about how fintech is helping bring to fruition the future he anticipates.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.etf.com/sections/features-and-news/fintech-will-change-advisory-game?nopaging=1
    MFO's Link To amazon.Com: Ric Edelman: "The Truth About your Future"
    https://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Your-Future-Money/dp/1501163809/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1506935763&sr=8-1&keywords=the+truth+about+your+future
    IShares Fact Sheet XT:
    https://www.ishares.com/us/products/272532/XT?cid=ppc:ishares_us:google:tickers&gclid=Cj0KCQjwx8fOBRD7ARIsAPVq-NkxaNRvf4UP9fJvwQ8ya_n8PHh-IZj-j0uKaem2DNGg8tALlkAiKKoaAkfPEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
    M* Snapshot XT:
    http://www.morningstar.com/etfs/XNAS/XT/quote.html
  • An Investing Legend Who Has Nailed The Market At Every Turn Just Got Even More Bullish On Stocks
    FYI: With the stock market hitting yet another series of record highs, some investors may be inclined to take the money and run — or at least start to worry about the rally's sustainability.
    Not the legendary investor Laszlo Birinyi.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.businessinsider.com/laszlo-birinyi-raises-price-target-gets-more-bullish-on-stocks-2017-9
  • Can Target-Maturity Bond ETFs Replace Individual Bonds?
    FYI: Buying individual bonds to ladder for clients’ needs comes with its own issues, such as varying returns and having to keep them in a separately managed account. Even on the ETF side, most bond ETFs keep constant maturities that open investors to duration risk.
    Enter target-maturity bond ETFs. These funds hold fixed-income investments with similar maturities, varying by year. The instruments are held to maturity, and when that happens, the fund closes and all cash is returned to investors.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.etf.com/publications/etfr/can-target-maturity-bond-etfs-replace-individual-bonds?nopaging=1
  • Investors Need 8.9% Real Returns From Their Portfolios
    While the intent of that business insider chart is clear, the data are less so.
    What stock market (US or global, S&P 500 or Wilshire 5000 or ...), and what bond market (ten year T-bonds, corporates, or ...)? If one uses returns of the S&P 500 and 10 year treasuries, the numbers don't match. They're not far off, but they show that at least this reader doesn't know quite what data were used.
    What sort of rebalancing if any was done over the rolling 1, 5, 10, and 20 year periods? Nothing is said about this either.
    Here's the data I used. It goes all the way back to 1928.
    http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/datafile/histretSP.html
    Those older figures are important, because while returns since 1950 (a few years after WWII ended) have been "okay", earlier periods showed that the market can be even worse. Not that losing 2% each year for five years (cumulative loss of 9.6%) is that great.
    It used to be we were told that "the stock market" (whatever that meant) never had a loss (ignoring inflation) over any ten year period since WWII (maybe that's what you were thinking of). But then 1999 - 2008 came along. And right after that, another rolling ten year nominal loss, 2000 - 2009.
    There's a problem with putting too much faith in historical data. Things change. One can either ignore that, or adjust expectations accordingly.
    We've had a 35-40 year bull market in bonds (with 10 year treasury yields now bouncing around 2%), that followed a 35-40 year bear market in bonds (that started in 1941 with yields around 2%). That's a looong cycle that should be incorporated into projections. There's no way that bonds can boost a portfolio's returns - they yield virtually nothing, and if the yield goes up, the total return could turn negative.
    From the end of 1940 to the end of 1956 there were only two years where the total return of 10 year treasuries broke 4% (none 5% or more). Which gets us back to the question of whether these figures include rebalancing, and more generally, why even bother with bonds now? Cash isn't yielding that much less, and if interest rates rise, cash should track bonds. (In the 1940-1956 time frame, 3 mo treasuries returned 1.6% annualized, not much worse than bonds at 2.6%, and with virtually no volatility.)
    The only cherry picking I'm doing here is with the end date of 1956. Bond yields bottomed out around 1941 at 2%, just as they seem to have done now (more or less). The graph below is ten year treasury yields over time.
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  • Overall portfolio analysis, with surprises, mistakes and moves that seemed to work
    Thanks for starting the thread @slick...it helps me think.
    Presently my portfolio consists of 62% equities and 36% (Bonds and other...Preferred, Convertibles) and 2% cash.
    My allocation funds make up 21.2% of my portfolio (VWINX, PRWCX, BRUFX) and they give me a benchmark to compare the overall portfolio against:
    VWINX is 38/59/3 (Equities/Bonds (other)/Cash)...YTD = 6.0%
    PRWCX is 62/24/14...YTD = 9.93%
    BRUFX is 57/33/10...YTD = 9.06%
    "BeeX" (my combined portfolio) is 62/36/2...YTD = 11.82%
    Drivers of YTD performance have included:
    Funds...YTD
    PRIDX...27.16%
    PRMTX...28.85
    POAGX...19.51%
    VWO...24.69%
    Collectively these funds make up 50% of my equity holdings and provided 7.22% of the overall portfolio performance.
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  • Overall portfolio analysis, with surprises, mistakes and moves that seemed to work
    @slick: Fantastic post!! I've always appreciated @Old_Skeet's discussion of his portfolio and sleeve system and this is right up there.
    I have 22 funds and 16 stocks plus the cash in funds and that I hold in my IRA. I won't comment on the stocks except to say I should stick to funds and I'm glad I'm headed in that direction. Like you and others, I check performance but I tend to focus on slightly different things. I view the returns as a reflection of my asset allocation decisions and prefer category rankings when reviewing funds because the results can differ. For instance, 12 of my 22 funds have greater than 20% returns with 3 of those over 30%. Another 7 had returns greater than 10% and only 3 were between 0-10%. However, only 7 of my 22 funds are top decile in their category, 2 more are top quartile, 7 more are top half and 6 are doing pretty lousy with 5 of the 6 in the bottom decile of their category.
    My 3 largest positions are 7-10% positions in my portfolio and their rankings are GPIIX at 40, POAGX at 24 and GPEIX at 90 (ugh!). If I screen out large cap emerging markets funds GP isn't doing much better but I'm a believer and the longer term record is still good so I'm not even close to thinking about giving up.
    I'm overweight healthcare at 16.6% of my portfolio and that's been working really well especially with my 3 healthcare funds (HQL, SBIO and PRHSX) ranked top 1%, 8% and 32%, respectively. Half of my healthcare exposure is within other funds or a couple of the stocks but being overweight has helped a lot this year.
    I'm also overweight emerging markets at 15.7% of my portfolio but while that should make me a big winner this year, all 3 specific EM funds I own (GPEIX, SFGIX, MEASX) are having tough years. Like with healthcare I'm getting exposure from other funds as well, some of which are having great years, but I feel like EM has been a disappointment.
    I've had no bonds for years, often to my hindsight's regret, but I count cash in my IRA as an investment decision. Together with the cash in funds I own it's 15% of my portfolio and has been since the beginning of the year in rough terms. Overall, my returns on the 85% invested are very close to the S&P but considering my overweights to healthcare and EM should both be helping as well as getting a currency benefit from a 50/50 split between domestic and international investments, I would have hoped to be having a better year. Which brings me back to stocks...
  • Investors Need 8.9% Real Returns From Their Portfolios
    Hi Guys,
    When investing in equities and/or bonds, often an optimistic outlook is needed to help an investor to stay the course. But that optimism should be grounded in realistic expectations. The target return numbers quoted from the Boston-based group of investors fail that simple test by a rather wide margin.
    Here is a Link to a very informative chart that summarizes historical equity and bond returns since the end of WW II:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/range-of-annualized-stock-bond-returns-2014-11
    These data provide significant benchmarks for planning purposes. While history is never exactly repeated, it does provide a terrific point of departure for making projections.
    Unless circumstances demonstrate an excessive change in economic/political conditions, returns from any 5-year or longer timeframe should not be dramatically different from the historical database. These data should be used to guide expectations.
    Daydreaming might provide some comfort for some folks, but the marketplace does not deliver for these daydreamers unless they are lucky. In the investing world both luck and skill determine the outcomes. Daydreaming is not a factor. It can do substantial harm to both the portfolio and to an individual's self esteem. You gotta know the data.
    Best Wishes
  • Target return of RiverPark Short Term High Yield (RPHYX / RPHIX)?
    I use or have used a number of funds/etfs with durations around 1.5 or below to outperform money market funds: TRBUX DLSNX BBBMX NEAR and MINT. FPNIX would also be useful if it was a ntf fund at any brokerage.