Aston Funds to liquidate five funds (incl. ASTON/River Road Independent Value Fund) Hi, Mike.
I was curious about your observation so went back to check the numbers. The stocks in ARIVX have returned approximately 92% YTD, 50% over the trailing twelve months and 13% over the past three years. For comparison, the Vanguard SCV index returned 5.3, -1.7 and 9.4%. That assumes cash levels of 90, 80 and 75% for those three time periods. I don't have a firm grasp on the 5-year cash average - it looks to be in the mid60s - so I didn't want to venture an estimate there. If you accept mid60s, then the stocks have returned about 10%/year, about in-line with the index. At one level, it seems that his stocks have substantially and pretty consistently outperformed.
I hadn't thought much about precious metals. Mr. Cinnamond's argument when we last discussed it was that he wasn't particularly thrilled by gold but the mining stocks were getting hit so badly that they were among the few passing his value screen. He suggested that he actually could have justified a bigger position but wasn't comfortable with it. At the end of 2014, gold and silver stocks represented about 8% of the portfolio and about 33% of the stocks in the portfolio. There were four stocks, two of which remain in the portfolio and he subsequently added two more. They represent about 7.5% of the portfolio and about 70% of his stock holdings. The fund has a really low correlation to precious metals (0.34 to DBP, the PowerShares Precious Metals ETF) so I'm reluctant to praise or blame the fund's stake in such stocks.
David
Thank you Junkster for the Perfect Investment - High Yield Muni Bonds In junk corps I hold WAHYX and CHBAX after selling IVHIX. I still think junk will see double digit returns in 2016 but I hold only 30% in junk corporates. That is very, very light for me. That is because they are more volatile than normal this year and also because they have been so dependent on oil. I would like to get heavier if the market cooperates. In bank loan I replaced SAMBX and EVFAX with RSFYX.
Stocks haven't gone anywhere for 1 1/2 years
I think that the FED will not raise rates and will need to follow Europe with negative rates at some point. At that time you will hear people say proudly "I'm getting 3% on my bond investments!", and others saying "I wish I could find such a return now.".
I agree. The bond story is one that no one is looking at. And, no one is looking at what it is telling us. Growth is slowing around the world. Stock wise, I'm guessing, the stocks that have pricing power will do well. I would guess, health care and real estate. The sector to avoid in real estate are shopping malls and less then class A office space.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-economist-thinks-china-is-headed-for-a-1929-style-depression-2016-06-30This economist thinks China is headed for a
1929-style depression
Aston Funds to liquidate five funds (incl. ASTON/River Road Independent Value Fund) I'm not quite sure why people love these funds that will take such high cash positions... I get the whole "hold cash because valuations aren't compelling thing," but do you really want to pay 142 bps for 90% of a portfolio that earns you nothing?
Aston Funds to liquidate five funds (incl. ASTON/River Road Independent Value Fund) @David & MfO Members:The fund's YTD and
1Yr. returns are due mainly to positions in precious metals stocks, but let's not try and put lipstick on a pig. The 3 & 5 year returns for ARIVX put it in the 95 and 94 percentile coupled with it's extremely high cash position make it a prime candidate to serve on Thanksgiving Day !
Regards,
Ted
Stocks haven't gone anywhere for 1 1/2 years Remember to include dividends. In real terms, even including dividends, it's true that stocks have returned nothing. But in nominal terms, stocks have provided small gains. See, e.g.
Yahoo S&P 500 Total Return chart (2 Year, interactive), or
M* interactive chart - Total Stock Market (VTSMX) and S&P 500 TR, Dec 3
1, 20
14 to June 29, 20
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VTSMX has gone up
1.45%, and the S&P 500 has gone up 2.79%.
Given recent volatility, a single day's movement could wipe all this out. So the cumulative returns are indeed positive, but not necessarily meaningful.
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Aston Funds to liquidate five funds (incl. ASTON/River Road Independent Value Fund) For what interest it holds, I've been talking with Mr. Cinnamond about the decision. Two quick takeaways: (1) he's sympathetic with critics of the fund who decry a stock fund that's at 90% cash and climbing. (2) Given recent developments, he doesn't know when we'll next see a "normal" investing environment. Central banks are almost certain to follow free money policies, which only reward speculators, for the foreseeable future.
I'll try to flesh that out in our July edition but the fuller story will appear in August. Mr. Cinnamond remains employed at River Road, and behold to Aston, until July 6. After July 6, his reflections won't implicate Aston or River Road which are both constrained by FINRA rules about communicating with the public. So we'll chat in mid-July and I'll share what I learned.
I'll discuss in July's issue my own decision. When Artisan SCV was to be liquidated, I took the cash rather than allow a rollover to Artisan MCV. After spending a lot of time working with the numbers through our premium screener, the choice came down to ARIVX or Intrepid Endurance. I chose Endurance for a couple reasons: same discipline, slightly more flexible approach. Mr. Cinnamond is up 9.2% YTD, 6.2% over the TTM and 3.3% over the past five years; Intrepid is up 6.2%, 1.2% and 4.2% in those same periods. Both have had marginal volatility.
More soon,
David
Stocks haven't gone anywhere for 1 1/2 years
Here’s Why Investors Bought S&P 500 Bonds — Not Stocks — After Brexit S&P500 bond index is available at Vanguard as Vanguard Intermediate Term Corporate Bond index, VICSX Admiral Share
ER 0.10% with 0.25% purchase fee; SEC yield 2.96%
The ETF equivalent, VCIT, has the same expense ratio and SEC yield, but without the purchase fee.
I have been using this ETF since 2009 and quite happy with its low cost and consistent performance. YTD is 7.39%.
Here’s Why Investors Bought S&P 500 Bonds — Not Stocks — After Brexit FYI: The bonds of companies in the S&P 500 index enjoyed a good run following the victorious “leave” vote in the U.K.’s referendum on EU membership — even as their stocks got crushed.
The strong performance baffled analysts at first because corporate bonds are considered so-called risk assets, if not typically as risky as their stock brethren. Demand for corporate bonds over government-issued debt, for instance, tends to rise when risk appetite spikes and fall when markets are in panic mode; that’s typically true of stocks, too.
Regards,
Ted
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-investors-bought-sp-500-bonds-not-stocks-after-brexit-2016-06-29/print