Mutual Fund/ETF Research Newsletter ... "With the markets overvalued, here's what to do." Hi davidrmoran,
Thank you for making comment on my post.
At first brush, I'd trend to agree with you; but, the message in the newsletter goes beyond your comment. Here is what the newsletter has to say on how to pick a fund.
'Which Funds Should Be Considered "Undervalued?"
OK, I know what your next question is going to be. How exactly can one recognize funds that are made up of stocks that are predominantly undervalued?
First an admonition: As implied above, the term "undervalued" is a relative one and and even "experts" don't agree on how to assess it. And, the term shouldn't suggest or imply that big gains will lie immediately ahead, even when correctly assessed. (Many experts rely on a statistic called the P/E ratio, or price divided by earnings, to define abnormally high or low valuation; unfortunately, many stocks, and stock funds, with relatively low P/E's will continue to underperform, while, conversely, funds with extremely high P/E's can continue climbing even for years. Therefore, even though the statistic for any fund is readily available, such as on sites such as morningstar.com, I wouldn't recommend paying that much attention to it.)
Of course, the opposite is also true. What is "overvalued" isn't always clear either and such funds don't always immediately start to underperform (although my research suggests that when measured as I will present below, they most likely will within a year or two). In fact, I have been saying that most types of funds have been overvalued since late Oct. 2013. Since then, most of these funds have continued to move ahead, although they appear to have slowed down somewhat since the start of this year.
Thus, while the concepts of over/undervaluation are frequently debated by the experts, and there is no absolute "yardstick," I will now give you a guideline that I use to help shape my own investment decisions.
Suppose you own a fund that has returned cumulatively in excess of more than 25% of what might have expected over the past few years. More specifically, stocks, on average, tend to return 9 to 10% a year. For simplicity, let's call that a cumulative return of 50% over 5 years. So if your fund returns 25% more than that, it would return 75% over 5 years. This, then, comes out to an average return of 15% a year.
Unlike a fund, when you own an individual stock, it can literally go to the moon. Once again, take Apple stock. Over the last 5 years, it has returned about 150%, or 30% per year. But over the last 10 years, it did even better - 38% a year, or 380% cumulatively. In other words, there may be nearly no limit to how far up any one stock might go. Of course, a badly performing stock might continue underperforming, inflicting huge losses, perhaps until the company goes out of business or goes bankrupt. Enron stock, a darling of Wall Street from 1996 to 2001, fell from over $90 per share to less than $1 before becoming totally worthless.
But with a mutual fund/ETF, the ride should be smoother since the fund hopefully invests in many, many stocks, lessening the impact of any one extreme success or failure. Since we can not know the future for sure, let's just say while, on average, 50% total gains over 5 years for a fund are close to the normal, 75% gains or more are approaching rarified air. A fund with the former result might be considered to have a "fair" or appropriate valuation; one with the latter is probably "overvalued," or approaching what I would consider being overvalued in the near future.
My research has shown that using such a 15% "yardstick," stretched out over time, can be a useful marker of likely overvaluation. Once most funds surpass it based on a 5 year period, one is typically better off investing at least some portion of a portfolio elsewhere, specifically in one or more funds that instead appear "undervalued."
We might think of an "undervalued" category or specific fund as one where its stocks have performed significantly worse than an annualized return of 9-10%. In fact, if the average fund in its category is currently showing only a 5% annualized return over the last 5 years, it may be underperforming an "average" performing fund by 25% cumulatively and an overvalued fund by at least 50% cumulatively (75% minus 25%).
For the short term, the "overvalued" fund, although probably not recognized as such by most investors, might appear the wiser choice. But for the longer term, the undervalued fund would appear to have much more potential for future gains.'
Thanks again for your comment. As can be gained for reading the above, I think you'll now agree that the newsletter's message goes well beyond just picking a value fund.
I wish all ... "Good Investing."
Old_Skeet
Let's see if Gundlach gets this right
The last two days.... WAFMX, which has been a dog so far this year, actually gained 0.7% over the past two days. All of the other EM-type stuff sank along with the more domestic varieties.
Add: So far this year the S&P is up 1.3%, our stuff is up 2.8%. No complaints, but it ain't over till it's over, as we all know.
Let's see if Gundlach gets this right
AAII Investor Sentiment FYI: Despite the fact that the S&P 500 and Nasdaq are right near all-time highs, individual investors are stuck in a rut and seemingly not in the mood to party. According to the American Association of Individual Investors (AAII), bullish sentiment saw a slight decline falling from 3
1.47% down to 30.84%. This represents the eighth straight week where bullish sentiment has been below its bull market average of 38.65%. The last time we saw bullish sentiment below its bull market average for this long was in August of last year.
Regards,
Ted
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