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  • But what if stocks had not just a rough year or two, but a dismal stretch for over a decade

    What would be helpful would be an app or website that would analyze a given fund and sort out for simplicity the % of assets it currently has in components of the S&P 500.
    You could at least sort out the top five holdings of etf's--for free-- here: https://www.etfrc.com/funds/overlap.php. The original example gives you spy and qqq to begin with. It also give top ten under and over weights.
    A free membership gets you the complete list. I haven't tried it out yet.
  • Perils of Chasing Star Managers + Other Fund Stories from Barron's
    American Funds seem to be the darlings of 401, 403, 457, etc. retirement funds. I owned them for many years, as part of company retirement programs, and was on Company Investment Committees that helped select them. They have huge AUMs, guided by large investment teams, but seem to stay pretty competitive. I have not owned any of their funds since I retired, but I know they have a large and loyal fan base that believe in them.
  • But what if stocks had not just a rough year or two, but a dismal stretch for over a decade
    Completion index is an interesting idea but the problem is that they have lot of garbage - 35-40% unprofitable companies.
    There are several:
    For SP500, completion indexes are VEXAX/ VXF, FSMAX, USMIX. They use different definitions of total stock markets.
    BTW, R1000/IWB has completion index R2000/IWM, with total market being R3000.
  • But what if stocks had not just a rough year or two, but a dismal stretch for over a decade
    "You can’t avoid the S&P completely if you’re in domestic equity funds."
    Well … I didn’t mean that quite literally … No intent here to avoid them completely. For example, DODBX likely has some exposure to the S&P. That alone wouldn’t deter me from owning it. I don’t think they’re especially enamored by it either, having held a small (2-3%) short position on the S&P within the past couple years. And they may well be hedging S&P exposure with some other holdings.
    What would be helpful would be an app or website that would analyze a given fund and sort out for simplicity the % of assets it currently has in components of the S&P 500.
  • But what if stocks had not just a rough year or two, but a dismal stretch for over a decade
    "You can’t avoid the S&P completely if you’re in domestic equity funds."
    Seek and ye shall find: VEXAX / VXF invests in the S&P 500 Completion Index. Whether completely avoiding stocks in the S&P 500 is a good idea or not is a different question.
    S&P Completion Index comprises all members of the S&P TMI Index except for the current constituents of the S&P 500®.
    https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/indices/equity/sp-completion-index-ci
    https://www.morningstar.ca/ca/news/191057/this-etf-and-the-sp-500-make-a-good-pair.aspx
  • Perils of Chasing Star Managers + Other Fund Stories from Barron's
    Think you meant CGGO, Capital Global Growth Equity; a sold global growth fund. The domestic version is CGUS. I bought CGUS and CGDV when they became available a year ago. Also looking at CGMS, a multi-sector bond fund.
    Addition: excerpt from Lewis Branham’s article,
    American Funds, which has had a multi-manager structure for its funds since 1958. Moreover, its 211 analysts actually manage a slice of each fund directly. Typically, equity funds have more than 10 co-managers.
    For retirement account, the ER of the R6 shares (without the 12-b-1 fee) are reasonable. Now these actively managed ETFs are also competitive on their fees to other firms as WisdomTree.
  • Perils of Chasing Star Managers + Other Fund Stories from Barron's
    "Over time they provided steady returns while managing the downside better than most large cap funds"
    @Sven- Exactly.
    Add- BTW, Just for the heck of it I bought 100 of the AF ETF CGGO a couple of months ago. So far, so good... ahead $115. I sent $100 of that to MFO a little while ago, so I'm still ahead $15. :)
  • CrossingBridge Funds 2Q23 Commentary
    CBUDX and RPHIX are different animals investing in the ultra short duration. CBUDX is purposefully meant to compete in the Morningstar ultra short duration category. A requirement of the category is that 65% or more of the portfolio be invested in investment grade debt. At June 30th, CBUDX was 74% invested in cash and investment grade bonds. Where as, RPHIX has a mandate to be substantially invested in high yield/below investment grade debt (generally, 80% or more). Further, RPHIX generally has a significantly larger holdings that are expected to roll-off into cash over 90 days. Typically, RPHIX also has a greater focus in debt that has been called/redeemed or subject to corporate action in comparison to CBUDX. Lastly, CBUDX in most circumstances will have a longer duration albiet still targeting 1 or lower.
  • CrossingBridge Funds 2Q23 Commentary
    Hi folks. I encourage you reaching out directly of Mr. Snowball can arrange an MFO call. Regardless, let me take this moment to quickly respond.
    Bobby: Not sure when RiverPark Short Term High Yield (RPHIX, RPHYX) commentary will some out as it is in the RiverPark hands. That said, the basic commentary will remain. As for your yield question - not 9%! I don't believe yield-to-worst or yield-to-maturity are figures readily provided as they can be very misleading since a significant portion of the the Fund rolls into cash every 30 days so a price can make a big yield impact with so little time remaining on the life of the holdings that a position(s) can impact the yield calculation. Below are some figures for June 30th (unaudited):
    38% portfolio rolling off in 30 days or less
    62% portfolio rolling off greater than 30 days
    57% portfolio rolling off within 90 days
    7.32% yield-to-worst on holdings greater than 30 days
    Weighted average yield on purchases during the month was 5.88% with 2.2 month maturity.
    Feel free to reach out to me directly if you need a further xplanation.
    BaluBalu: Patience is a virtue. We don't like chasing the market. CMBS started to run (a little bit) post our 1Q letter. We will add as opportunity arises but price matters. Also, the opportunity should be around for some time. We expect the portfolios will continue to add,
    Junkster:
    Ed Shagrue is a seasoned veteran and thoughtful in the CMBS space. Although I do not own his Fund, I respect him. You should reach out to him.
    I want to reiterate a comment in the 2Q commentary:
    With respect to the portfolio, we remain nimble. At the end of 2Q23, we had elevated levels of “dry powder”. If high yield spreads tighten and the market rallies, we may increase our level of dry powder to take advantage of what we believe will be a correction thereafter. We had a healthy position in leveraged loans and are looking to add. At the same time, we are selectively nibbling in the CMBS market. Based on our expectation of increasing volatility, the portfolios are likely to continue experiencing above normal turnover as we adapt to reflect the changing environment.
  • Perils of Chasing Star Managers + Other Fund Stories from Barron's
    There are only far and a few star managers, these managers do well in most markets for 1-2 decades and are flexible enough to change. The first that comes to mind is Giroux managing PRWCX.
    A reasonable way is to invest in top-performing categories/funds, just as stock traders find top-performing categories and then look for stocks in that category.
    From my experience after watching and researching funds for decades, most times, managers that outperformed, it's because their style fit markets in that period...or...they found a niche that worked well.
    These types of markets can last for years:
    2000-2010: the SP500 lost money; value, SC and international did much better(FAIRX,SGIIX)
    2010-2021: US LC growth did better than most (QQQ)
    PIMIX took advantage of the broken MBS of 2008 and had several years of better performance than stocks + better performance than many bond funds for more years + better SD = better Sharpe ratio.
    Basically, invest in the market you have, not the market you wished you have.
    BTW, the above does not mean fast trading and/or trading 100% of your portfolio.
  • Stocks About to Emerge From Bear Market
    The same article also appears in several place. This one is in Fortune magazine.
    https://fortune.com/2023/07/22/is-bear-market-over-stocks-sp-500-recession-economy/#
    Many investors are expecting a recession in 2023 due to the inverted yield curve as the indicator. Situation is different today after the pandemic than the previous cycles. Mid-2023 was forecast earlier, but the economy is moving along. This is an unusual year for sure.
  • CrossingBridge Funds 2Q23 Commentary
    From the article:
    "As discussed in our 1Q23 letter, capital flows favor assets with the highest risk-adjusted returns. Investors that have been large buyers of investment grade CLO debt are now able to earn significantly better yields in newly issued commercial mortgage-backed securities (CMBS)15 debt of comparable quality. In the AAA tranche, CMBS debt offers slightly less spread for much higher credit quality based on loan-to-value (LTV). For tranches below the AAA tranche, CMBS yields are, on average, significantly higher with better LTV"
    "At the same time, we are selectively nibbling in the CMBS market. Based on our expectation of increasing volatility, the portfolios are likely to continue experiencing above normal turnover as we adapt to reflect the changing environment"
    Music to my years.
  • Utilities
    @hank, the higher sum is from January to June, as I said in my post. The more time that goes by, the more the disparity grows. Start the comparison from 2021 and the disparity is now 164 bucks.
    Where you start and stop your year also matters. For example, at M* you can chart the two against each other for the past year,and the difference is 57 bucks. Take a look at the chart in the new link I posted. At the end of December 2021, the discrepancy from January is 63 bucks.
    The difference of .25 is not just a drag on the upside. It also sinks the fund deeper on the downside. As you can see in the link, at the end of January 2021, GLFOX is 13 bucks behind. And it will never catch up. It will fall inexorably behind.
    I don't need to take IRA distributions for six years. If I back test the two funds for six years the CAGR for GLIFX is 8.63 vs, 8.35 for GLFOX. And the difference in dollars is 562 if 20K were the amount invested.
  • But what if stocks had not just a rough year or two, but a dismal stretch for over a decade
    The SP500 is the most recognized index that represents stocks and over decades it has done better than most other stocks, including thousands of managed funds and professional managers that worked very hard to beat it.
    Diversifying did not help much either, and I'm talking meaningfully about extra performance. There is a good reason why Bogle build the Vanguard Empire, it was based mainly on VOO or VTI for stocks. Buffet tells the same story.
    The SP500 lost money in 10 years during 2000-2010, mainly because of the excessive performance of 1995-2000 when the SP500 made 250% in 5 years which is 28+% average annually (link).
    Can the SP500 go sideways for years? Of course, it can. Are you going to switch to the right categories?
  • Utilities
    I’m not sure how you’re coming up with the higher sum for 1 year. Don’t read the numbers on the far right. They are for a longer time period. The chart is truly interactive. So, you can tap anywhere along the horizontal lines representing each fund and pull up the values on any date you want.
    What you need to do is tap along the two colored lines about 2/3 of the way across. Dates and corresponding total investment amount will come up for each fund. The chart begins with 12/31/23. If you tap on the line where “12/31/22” pops up you will get the correct values for that date.
    Initial amount: $20,000 / Start date: 12/31/21
    Values on 12/31/22
    GLIFX $19,741
    GLFOX $19,689
    Difference from 12/31/21 to 12/31/22: GLIFX +$52.00
  • Utilities
    @hank. Read all about it. As they used to say.
    BTW. Check the tab for monthly returns,and you can see how it happens.
  • Utilities
    @WABC - Thanks. Just onndering if this was a misprint / typo: “ … the difference on 20K between GLIFX and GLOFX from January 2022 to June 2023 is 82 bucks …
    That might appear to be an 18 month period. Even than, the higher earnings are a bit more than I’d expect based on a difference of .25% ER. ($82 / $75)
    What I did for a one year time frame was simply multiply the .25% difference in ER by the invested sum. That should, ISTM, produce a reasonably accurate difference in investor return. For longer terms the results would be less accurate because of the compounding effect.
    $1,000 X 0.0025 = $2.50
    $20,000 X 0.0025 = $550.00
    Don’t know. I’m not very familiar with the source you are referencing. Maybe others have sharper insights on this than I.
  • Utilities
    .25 sounds like a lot. And it is with really large amounts that are left untouched out to 5 or 10 years. For lesser amounts:
    $20,000 invested 1 year would earn roughly an additional … $50
    $50,000 .………..1 year ……………………………………….. $125
    $75,000 …………1 year………………………………..…..…. $187.50
    What will the above extra return buy?
    $50 - A 750 ml bottle of Johnny Walker Double-Black blended Scotch whisky - including state tax.
    $125 - A nice upgrade from your $500 dollar a night room at a Manhattan hotel to a “corner view.”
    $187.50 - Taxi fare from LGA to Manhattan and back - including driver tips.
    Not sure what you're looking at there.
    Per portfolio visualizer, the difference on 20K between GLIFX and GLOFX from January 2022 to June 2023 is 82 bucks. That .25 saves on the downside too. GLIFX lost 1.3% in 2022 vs 1.55% for GLOFX.
  • Stocks About to Emerge From Bear Market
    Similar, if not identical, to a story running on (hard to link) Bloomberg
    “ less than 20 months after it began, the bear market that has engulfed the S&P 500 is a mere 260 points from being completely erased. Rather than predicting problems, chart patterns that track everything from multi-asset momentum to carriers paint a picture of booming economic activity. “
    ”Nearly $10 trillion has been returned to stock values ​​in the past nine months as job growth, consumer spending and corporate earnings defied the pessimists. The S&P 500 is up 27% from its October low and is now about 5% away from regaining the all-time high of 4,796.56 it reached in January 2022.”
    https://smaartcompany.com/stock-markets-are-about-to-emerge-from-the-bear-market-on-a-10-trillion-rally/
  • But what if stocks had not just a rough year or two, but a dismal stretch for over a decade
    ”investors’ appetite for stocks remains as robust as ever.”
    Doesn’t really deserve a response. Article exhibits gross oversimplification. “Stocks” can mean anything from the cap-weighted / tech-heavy S&P 500 to frontier markets like Laos or Nigeria. I suspect they mean the S&P. Woe is he who thinks the S&P 500 or U.S. large caps stocks the only things worth investing in. I guess such people deserve whatever they get.
    @Tarwheel says it well above.