Utilities @hank, the higher sum is from January to June, as I said in my post. The more time that goes by, the more the disparity grows.
Start the comparison from 2021 and the disparity is now 164 bucks.
Where you start and stop your year also matters. For example, at M* you can chart the two against each other for the past year,and the difference is
57 bucks. Take a look at the chart in the new link I posted. At the end of December 2021, the discrepancy from January is 63 bucks.
The difference of .2
5 is not just a drag on the upside. It also sinks the fund deeper on the downside. As you can see in the link, at the end of January 2021, GLFOX is 13 bucks behind. And it will never catch up. It will fall inexorably behind.
I don't need to take IRA distributions for six years. If I back test the two funds for six years the CAGR for GLIFX is 8.63 vs, 8.3
5 for GLFOX. And the difference in dollars is
562 if 20K were the amount invested.
But what if stocks had not just a rough year or two, but a dismal stretch for over a decade The SP
500 is the most recognized index that represents stocks and over decades it has done better than most other stocks, including thousands of managed funds and professional managers that worked very hard to beat it.
Diversifying did not help much either, and I'm talking meaningfully about extra performance. There is a good reason why Bogle build the Vanguard Empire, it was based mainly on VOO or VTI for stocks. Buffet tells the same story.
The SP
500 lost money in 10 years during 2000-2010, mainly because of the excessive performance of 199
5-2000 when the SP
500 made 2
50% in
5 years which is 28+% average annually (
link).
Can the SP
500 go sideways for years? Of course, it can. Are you going to switch to the right categories?
Utilities I’m not sure how you’re coming up with the higher sum for 1 year. Don’t read the numbers on the far right. They are for a longer time period. The chart is truly interactive. So, you can tap anywhere along the horizontal lines representing each fund and pull up the values on any date you want.
What you need to do is tap along the two colored lines about 2/3 of the way across. Dates and corresponding total investment amount will come up for each fund. The chart begins with 12/31/23. If you tap on the line where “12/31/22” pops up you will get the correct values for that date.
Initial amount: $20,000 / Start date: 12/31/21
Values on 12/31/22
GLIFX $19,741
GLFOX $19,689
Difference from 12/31/21 to 12/31/22: GLIFX +$52.00
Utilities @hank.
Read all about it. As they used to say.
BTW. Check the tab for monthly returns,and you can see how it happens.
Utilities @WABC - Thanks. Just onndering if this was a misprint / typo: “
… the difference on 20K between GLIFX and GLOFX from January 2022 to June 2023 is 82 bucks … “
That might appear to be an 18 month period. Even than, the higher earnings are a bit more than I’d expect based on a difference of .2
5% ER. ($82 / $7
5)
What I did for a one year time frame was simply multiply the .2
5% difference in ER by the invested sum. That should, ISTM, produce a reasonably accurate difference in investor return. For longer terms the results would be less accurate because of the compounding effect.
$1,000 X 0.002
5 = $2.
50
$20,000 X 0.002
5 = $
550.00
Don’t know. I’m not very familiar with the source you are referencing. Maybe others have sharper insights on this than I.
Utilities .25 sounds like a lot. And it is with really large amounts that are left untouched out to 5 or 10 years. For lesser amounts:
$20,000 invested 1 year would earn roughly an additional … $50
$50,000 .………..1 year ……………………………………….. $125
$75,000 …………1 year………………………………..…..…. $187.50
What will the above extra return buy?
$50 - A 750 ml bottle of Johnny Walker Double-Black blended Scotch whisky - including state tax.
$125 - A nice upgrade from your $500 dollar a night room at a Manhattan hotel to a “corner view.”
$187.50 - Taxi fare from LGA to Manhattan and back - including driver tips.
Not sure what you're looking at there.
Per portfolio visualizer, the difference on 20K between GLIFX and GLOFX from January 2022 to June 2023 is 82 bucks. That .2
5 saves on the downside too. GLIFX lost 1.3% in 2022 vs 1.
55% for GLOFX.
Stocks About to Emerge From Bear Market Similar, if not identical, to a story running on (hard to link) Bloomberg
“ less than 20 months after it began, the bear market that has engulfed the S&P 500 is a mere 260 points from being completely erased. Rather than predicting problems, chart patterns that track everything from multi-asset momentum to carriers paint a picture of booming economic activity. “”Nearly $10 trillion has been returned to stock values in the past nine months as job growth, consumer spending and corporate earnings defied the pessimists. The S&P 500 is up 27% from its October low and is now about 5% away from regaining the all-time high of 4,796.56 it reached in January 2022.”https://smaartcompany.com/stock-markets-are-about-to-emerge-from-the-bear-market-on-a-10-trillion-rally/
But what if stocks had not just a rough year or two, but a dismal stretch for over a decade ”investors’ appetite for stocks remains as robust as ever.”Doesn’t really deserve a response. Article exhibits gross oversimplification. “Stocks” can mean anything from the cap-weighted / tech-heavy S&P
500 to frontier markets like Laos or Nigeria. I suspect they mean the S&P. Woe is he who thinks the S&P
500 or U.S. large caps stocks the only things worth investing in. I guess such people deserve whatever they get.
@Tarwheel says it well above.