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Holding period would have some bearing on how good of a deal it was.
Sure. That CD was 3-yr term.
But think of it this way. We're talking guaranteed, FDIC'd, fixed income. An investor has made a decision to lock up $50K for 3 years. The only real question is, "Does the investor want to spend a wee bit more time on the BUY to possibly earn MORE on it?" If "Yes"...
To wit...
As of yesterday, Fido had New Issue, CP, 5.15%, 3-yr CDs available.
An investor spends 15 minutes scoping out Secondary Issues, and finds a CP, 4.0%, 3-yr, CD that someone is selling for a whopping discount, that has an effective yield of (ANYTHING ABOVE 5.15% but let's say) 5.50%. The investor BUYs the latter.
Over 3 years, total earnings on the former is $7,725 and $8,250 on the latter, for a difference of $525. (As NOTED in my first post on this thread, the mechanics of the the latter also gives the investor MORE $ at time of BUY via the discount.) That money can also be invested, or spent!
The only REAL question THEN is,
"Was $525 more in total earnings over 3 years worth the investor's 15 minutes?
FWIW, I answer "Yes" to that every day of the week. YMMV.
Wouldn't the brokerage take advantage on this instead of passing it down to it's customers ?
Not sure I understand your notion here.
Brokerages are just the middle men in CD transactions. On a $50K CD BUY, Fido gets a ($ based) $50 Commission. The Commission is included in the above-noted numbers.
Thanks for your time, much appreciated.
You're welcome.
Busy day. Might be able to add more over the weekend.
My opinion of brokerage education about CD investing is not that good. When I have engaged in communication with brokerage experts on CDs, they fail to do a good job comparing the differences between brokerage CDs and bank CDs, fail to do a good job of explaining ongoing value fluctuations of brokerage CDs that are reflected at the end of each trading day, fail to explain termination fee information for brokerage CDs, fail to address liquidity concerns for brokerage CDs in taxable accounts vs tax deferred accounts, fail to discuss ways of measuring the financial health of banks offering CDs on the brokerage platform, fail to discuss callable vs. non-callable CDs, etc. etc.@stillers : "
I've netted anywhere from a % or 2 to upwards of 4%-5% extra proceeds over the years. For example, one BUY I still have the detail on shows I paid $47,739 (priced at 92.931) for a $50,000 CD for an effective Discount of 4.52%. Yeah, after all of the funds slushed through over the CD's life, that was worth my time and effort! "
First question , how long did you have to hold this CD in order to collect the $50K ?
Holding period would have some bearing on how good of a deal it was.
Wouldn't the brokerage take advantage on this instead of passing it down to it's customers ?
Thanks for your time, much appreciated.
...Indeed. Snap-back? People (or COMPUTERS?!!!) taking short-term profits? And how much of Thursday's action was short-covering?So how much ,% wise, did your portfolio rise today ? I haven't checked mine , but headed that way. Interested in what Mr. Market does Friday.
Wow, CNQ up +1.31% more, after-hours.I'm always late to the party. I put in a limit order to buy a significant amount of CNQ, Canadian Natural Resources Limited, on Wednesday. It didn't take. Up 5% today. I bit the bullet and bought just a few shares towards the end of the day to satisfy my urge to own. I'll keep my initial limit order active in case it wants to adjust again.
Sure, but keep in mind, there have been very few good opportunities, if any, in the (Fido, at least) Secondary Issues market over the past several months. We'll find out whassup with the current offerings via this exercise! A coupla rungs drop off my ladder this month so let's get it on!@stillers : Thanks for the info. Would you mind commenting more on what would be a good buy on the secondary market & how to figure out what one's profit would be. Thanks for your time, Derf
https://www.evidenceinvestor.com/tactical-allocation-vs-static-indexing-which-one-winsTactical allocation funds had an average expense ratio of 1.39% (they are very expensive) and an average turnover of 289% (trading costs are high and tax efficiency is low).
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