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  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    @Observant1,
    Here is more info from Vanguard on fixed income team on their outlook for 2023; Sara Devereux leads their fixed income team.
    https://advisors.vanguard.com/iwe/pdf/FAFIXINC.pdf
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    Hank, if you think that my system is too funny, I welcome you to dive a bit into it(link). Several did and doing very well. The whole idea is to find great risk/reward funds, small AUM is a plus, an uptrend is a must + owning only 2-3 funds.
    FD - Just a reaction to your use of “proprietary”. It sounds as if you can’t share your approach on a board dedicated to sharing and helping one another. But perhaps I misunderstood your intent. Sorry if I offended you.
    I can’t argue with your idea that investors do best with “great risk/reward funds”. I’d maybe expand that to “great risk/reward opportunities”. Might be a fund. Might be a stock. Might be a bond. Might even be a particular asset manager. Would I ever suggest such here? Unlikely. Too much chance I’d make a bad call and help drive someone else to financial ruin. So at least two of us are reluctant to state where we think investors should currently put their money. But for different reasons.
    Glad you’re having a successful year. Wishing you continued success.
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    Some people have T-DS and some have FD-DS.
    Hank, if you think that my system is too funny, I welcome you to dive a bit into it(link). Several did and doing very well. The whole idea is to find great risk/reward funds, small AUM is a plus, an uptrend is a must + owning only 2-3 funds. In the last several years it's mostly bond OEFs. These funds eventually get discovered. I held PIMIX for about 7-8 years, then came IOFIX. HY Munis have always been a part of it.
  • Wealthtrack - Weekly Investment Show
    June 10th - Audio cast
    Three powerful women in finance share their personal journeys on reaching the top echelons of money management and give advice on what it takes, how to succeed and lessons learned.
    career-advice-and-perspectives-from-three-high-ranking-women-in-finance-on-making-it-to-the-top
  • January MFO Ratings Posted
    @Charles, check out Barron's,
    TRADER. Stocks rose as the wall of worry faded away. The RALLY broadened beyond large-caps to small/mid-caps and cyclicals (financials, industrials). The SP500 was in a bear market for 248 days (Edit - the longest since 1948) and it may reach a new high that is +10% away. Of course, there are economic data, the FOMC meeting(s), and a possible recession along the way. Enjoy the rally while it lasts.
    https://www.barrons.com/articles/stock-market-gains-as-wall-of-worry-crumbles-what-happens-next-75e1dc1e?mod=past_editions
    You may be thinking of the time it took for the SP500 to recover fully, and that was about 5 years after the GFC; however, the allocation funds recovered much faster.
  • January MFO Ratings Posted
    The 8 June WSJ article mentions:
    "U.S. stocks rose Thursday, ending the S&P 500’s longest bear market since the 1940s and marking the start of a new bull run."
    That caught me a bit by surprise. Will update this table in July and see if I can understand where that statement is coming from ... I think the GFC bear lasted pretty long ... sure felt that way.
    https://www.mutualfundobserver.com/2022/07/the-great-normalization/
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    Appreciate those thoughts, @hank. Am I shooting myself in the foot? Maybe so... But the dividend, even after taxes, is lovely. And I have deliberately chosen NHYDY to be the stock I own in that investment sector: Aluminum and green energy. They even mine their own bauxite. Did a lot of homework on it. One of the biggest in the world. It's not at all in any financial pressure. They just bought back a lotta shares, last year. Taxes are not an issue for us, in our circumstances, though--- so it pinches when that happens, and there's no way to get it back on the 1040. Nothing to deduct it against, if you know what I mean. So I get credit for paying a bit of foreign tax. It's like a certificate hung on the wall telling me I'm a part-owner of the Green Bay Packers on account of my donation to the team in the lean years.
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    Sara Devereux, head of fixed income at Vanguard, discusses Treasuries, corporates, munis,
    and more in the current issue of Barron's (subscription may be required).
    Select excerpts are below.
    "Given our economic forecast, we favor a high-quality tilt. That’s Treasuries, municipal bonds, and investment-grade [securities]. But there is also an opportunity in riskier parts of the market—high yield and emerging markets—where we are going to have a selective approach."
    "Another reason that people like Treasuries, and why we like them, is they are the purest diversification play if you have a portfolio heavy in equities. If we’re headed into a recession, typically these bonds will rally, but it also means credit risk is rising, which means corporate bonds can lag behind Treasuries in a rally. Corporate bonds will have more correlation to the equity market."
    "The third area where we are seeing good flows is municipal bonds. Last year, the muni market saw record outflows because investors had the unique opportunity to tax-loss harvest [sell losing stock positions to offset taxable gains]. That selling drove an overshoot in valuations to the cheap side. And this was in stark contrast to the fundamental value, which is strong: Over 70% of muni debt is rated AA or higher."
    Link
  • wow, financials. 5 day comparison
    +1 PressmUP on your avatar change!

    Preseason is routinely the highlight of our year.
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    Thanks @Crash for sharing your previous thread. Sorry I didn’t pick-up on it. We learn as we go sometimes. At least at Fido it’s very easy to click on “Recent Transactions” and get a quick, clear read-out of everything that’s taken place. I didn’t need to call them. As soon as the transaction cleared it was easy to see what had occurred.
    After reading your post, I feel fortunate to have selected to buy a stock a country (Switzerland) that’s signature to a treaty with the U.S. and Canada reducing their customary foreign tax to “only” 15%. It appears from your post that Norway is not part of that pact. Uhhh.
    A gleam of optimism lies in the excellent commentary from @msf above. From that I discern that if you invest in a foreign country you’re going to get hit with some type of foreign tax - but that this is disguised (or passed on to you) in different ways by mutual funds and not easily discerned by fund holders.
    And @rabokma1 was perfectly correct in that tax-deferred accounts like IRAs are not the right place to own a security that is going to be taxed anyway. However, if you own any foreign securities through a mutual fund, truth is you are also getting hit with a “foreign tax” in some manner. So technically, rabokma1’s tax specific advice might appear to apply to mutual funds as well.
    @Crash - That 25% hit you encountered is an eye-opener for us all. As far as TRP goes, on the mutual fund side customer support has been abysmal for a long time. But I can’t speak for their brokerage side, having never dealt with it. BTW - There was a very small “foreign transaction fee” posted at Fidelity related to the dividend payout. Not worth mentioning. Pretty common for fiduciaries.
    One correction on my part. My previous assertion that a 15% tax on the asset value of a foreign fund might not be any more oppressive than a 1% ER on a foreign fund was incorrect, Actually, working that through in my head, the 15% tax on dividends would probably amount to 2-3 times as much (in dollar terms) as a 1% ER would.
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    I ran into this only days ago. Created a thread about it, hoping for an explanation. The responders were certainly helpful. I heard no indication from TRP that anything will change in a positive way regarding the way this stuff gets posted (or NOT posted!) to the account.
    Reminds me of calling "Customer Service." THERE'S an oxymoron. TRP does not clear the trades. It's Pershing. But I can't get to Pershing. I have to talk to TRP. ...Like all those times when you talk to the phone "specialist" at Customer "Service." They have to put you on hold to find out what to do and what exactly to TELL you, waiting patiently. Because they know nothing. And the ones who hold the cards are not accountable, and are not even connected.
    Turns out, I paid a 25% tax "withheld at the source." Norway, in my case. (NHYDY.) Not happy about it, but the dividend is worth keeping. That's on top of the fee that TRP stole from me, as well. (For dealing with a foreign dividend.) NHYDY typically pays the dividend only once per year, in May.
    https://www.mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/61160/ork-wtf-transaction-trp-got-an-answer#latest
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    Thank you @msf / Quick read of your dissertation answers a lot of what I was wondering about. Will study it more after getting in a late day bike ride.
    I did have 1 additional thought … While none of us likes paying taxes, owning this company inside an actively managed fund would likely command a 1% or greater management fee. Without doing the math, I suspect that would work out to more than a 15% annual foreign tax on just 2-3% of the asset’s value.
    Not to deny the benefit to owning said stock in a taxable account (rather than IRA), but the tax headache from frequent trades would be troublesome for me.
  • Online Brokers - Barron's Rankings, 2023
    Online Brokers - Barron's Rankings, 2023
    Broker Star Rating Notes
    Interactive Brokers 5* IBKR Pro, IBKR Lite
    Fidelity 5* Also Solo FidFolios, Fidelity Bloom
    Schwab 4.5*
    E*Trade 4* Also Power E*Trade
    TD Ameritrade 4* Bought by Schwab. Last year in rankings.
    More in the link,
    https://ybbpersonalfinance.proboards.com/post/1063/thread
    https://www.barrons.com/articles/interactive-fidelity-schwab-best-online-brokers-ratings-52d73cb3
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    “The foreign tax withholdings are lost money in an IRA.”
    ... Why should I care that my mutual fund, held in an IRA, has to pay these taxes as normal business expense? It's not lost. It's part of the funds expenses that translates to my total return. I understand tax generated expenses are part of owning a mutual fund. And how is that different than the expenses a domestic fund held in an IRA has to pay in dividend income taxes?
    Except for the last sentence, I think MikeM has it right. Note he is not saying that the taxes the fund pays is part of the ER. Whether they are part of the ER (like management fees) or not (like trading commissions), it is an expense of the fund doing business and reduces the net return of the fund.
    Typically global funds do this. They pay taxes to whatever countries they are invested in.
    This reduces their net return (thus size of divs), end of story.
    Some (not all) foreign funds pay the taxes but report them on your 1099 somewhat fictitiously. They pretend that the fund did not pay the taxes but rather that they passed the tax bill to you (reported on line 7 of the 1099-DIV - foreign tax paid). So they report a fictitious dividend that equals the real (net) dividend plus the amount of taxes they say that you paid.
    In terms of actual cash, you get the same amount either way - whether the fund pays the taxes and says so (reporting divs net of taxes), or the fund pays the taxes but says that you paid them (reporting divs as gross, without netting out the taxes).
    If the fund made $10/share (excluding taxes), and paid $2 in taxes, you see $8 in cash. Regardless of how the fund reports it. Inside or outside of an IRA, you get the same $8.
    Tax treatment is different. When the fund (or ADR, I assume) says that you paid the taxes, it reports the $10 div and also reports that you paid $2 in taxes. If you choose to take a foreign tax deduction for the taxes, you wind up reporting net income of $8. Same as with the global fund that simply paid out $8 in divs, no muss no fuss. At 22%, you pay $1.76 in taxes.
    If instead you choose to take a dollar for dollar foreign tax credit, then you report the $10 div, and pay 22% x $10 = $2.20 in federal taxes. You also get a credit of $2, so you pay only $0.20 in federal taxes. (You'll pay state taxes on the full $10, though.)
    It would not surprise me if tax treatment of ADRs were more complicated than mutual funds, since US mutual funds are usually sold only to US investors. So some of the issues raised by the divdend.com page may be specific to ADRs. Haven't researched it though.
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    @MikeM - Thanks for your contribution. I’m sure you realize I’m concerned particularly about a single stock in this respect. I don’t really know whether the 15% tax paid on one year’s distribution equates to the same tax (if any) an investor would pay if he owned the stock through a fund instead. But your point is a good one.
    If it helps any … The annual dividend payout on my ADR amounted to about 2.5% of its value. So I was hit with a 15% tax on that 2.5% payout. Hardly seems enough reason to sell a stock that’s been a good steady-eddy. Or to move to a taxable account with the (than taxable) trading implications. As a portfolio component this stock equals a bit less than 5% of portfolio.
    Not a math genius. But I think the tax we’re talking about amounts to: 15% of 2.5% of 5%
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    It isn't part of the ER. It is paid from your account (or, you don't get it from the fund) and shows up in brokerage/fund 1099 at the yearend as something paid. As mentioned above, you can claim tax credit on 1040 (directly, or through 1116 with complex foreign holdings).
    There is no tax filing to tax-deferred accounts, nor there is any 1099 for them, so that tax paid is lost, or cannot be claimed.
  • S&P Enters Bull Market
    S&P enters bull as investors flee. That's my headline. I ran across this piece from Reuters on my Fido feed. Excerpts follow:
    U.S. equity funds had their biggest weekly outflow in 10 weeks in the seven days to June 7 as investors, worried about rising inflation and an economic slowdown, pulled out their money.
    [ellipses]
    Refinitiv Lipper data showed investors offloaded a net $16.44 billion worth of U.S. equity funds in their biggest weekly net selling since March 29.
    [ellipses]
    Among U.S. funds, large- and mid-cap funds experienced net outflows of $7.53 billion and $1.07 billion, respectively. However, small-cap funds saw net inflows totalling approximately $1.15 billion.
    Tech sector funds faced outflows of $1.31 billion after five consecutive weeks of inflows, while industrials and consumer discretionary funds pulled in $616 million and $399 million, respectively.
    Money market funds received inflows of $19.83 billion, according to the data, reflecting investors' continued preference for these funds as net buyers for the seventh consecutive week.
    U.S. bond funds witnessed withdrawals of $561 million, following five consecutive weeks of inflows.
    Investors sold U.S. general domestic taxable fixed-income and short/intermediate investment-grade funds amounting to $1.79 billion and $1.45 billion, respectively, while purchasing government funds totalling $1.76 billion.
    That is all.
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    Came across the following elsewhere - which sounds a bit scary. But the fact that I was “only” hit with the 15% tax suggests to me Fido probably has the necessary paperwork on file with the Swiss government (ADR is Swiss based).
    One issue with ADRs is when the tax treaty rate is lower than the foreign country’s domestic withholding rate. Switzerland has a domestic foreign withholding rate of 35% and a 15% tax treaty withholding rate with the U.S. However, to qualify for the 15% tax treaty rate, investors must file paperwork with the Swiss government beforehand or be subject to the full 35%. If they do not do this ahead of time, the Swiss government will withhold 35%
    Source
    From @yogibearbull - ”The US funds with foreign holdings may pay foreign tax that is included in your yearend 1099.” That’s encouraging within the context here. Right? Doubtful many of us file to reclaim taxes our funds pay on holdings outside the U.S.
    Thanks for the Fidelity link Yogi. However, it didn’t get very deep into the weeds. :) As I suggested earlier, the routine trading I do in this holding would likely create a tax nightmare inside a taxable account. In part, it helps offset the once a year tax hit.
    After @msf is fully recovered from ingesting smoke I hope he’ll be able to weigh in as well.