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  • A little perspective / The 2000-2002 NASDAQ crash
    Yes. Sorry. Did not mean to implicate the entire market. The NASDAQ is what got hammered. It was the hottest sector. And the internet related stocks inside the NASDAQ is where people had been speculating wildly in the late 90s.
    Guess I was thinking more of ARKK. In one recent year it soared over 150%. That’s hot. So if a 60% drop from recent highs looks inviting, … maybe it is a good bet. But maybe it isn’t. Also, I was tempted to throw a bit into Price’s Blue Chip (TRBCX). But noted it also had a very huge run up over a recent 4-5 year period. Gave me pause. Not saying it’s still overvalued - just that even at today’s 35-40% off, it may not be as “cheap” as might first appear. Not qualified to give advice. Just sharing my personal take on where things are.
    Today I bought back into DKNG. :) - Bought in at under $12 having unloaded it (small loss) for close to $15 a couple weeks ago. Also added to GLTR which is down hard today - a bet on precious metals …
  • 2022 YTD Damage
    Nearing -11% at Chuck's place. VG, less than half that.
  • A little perspective / The 2000-2002 NASDAQ crash
    @rforno : Wouldn't one have to take into consideration the % of total drop & not so much the number (600) ?
    Band aids don't seem to be holding back the flow of blood, I'm calling for a tourniquet !
    With the summer season in progress I've decided to put the dry powder on hold, unless another 10 % drop .
    Dippers beware, Derf
    Agreed. The points are less important than the percentage,but still, it's not often you hear a 600 or 800 POINT drop on the Dow, which to some can sound more dramatic than a "3%" drop ... which probably is why most media use the points, b/c it's scarier-sounding.
  • A little perspective / The 2000-2002 NASDAQ crash
    @rforno : Wouldn't one have to take into consideration the % of total drop & not so much the number (600) ?
    Band aids don't seem to be holding back the flow of blood, I'm calling for a tourniquet !
    With the summer season in progress I've decided to put the dry powder on hold, unless another 10 % drop .
    Dippers beware, Derf
  • A little perspective / The 2000-2002 NASDAQ crash
    “There was a drop of 78.4% from the 5132.52 of March 2000. In October 2002, the NASDAQ was trading at 1108.49.”
    Remember it well. People were freaking out. Be careful out there.
    Source
    It was brutal on the tech sector. But the S&P 500 only got to about 15.
    Now, think about where the S&P 500 was treading water the last time inflation was this bad?
  • A little perspective / The 2000-2002 NASDAQ crash
    Yup. And having seen big moves in the 00s and 10s I'm not panicked. If anything, I only start to get a bit more interested/concerned when the overnight futures tank hard like last night .... but even then, I don't run to sell b/c I hold good stuff, so I'm often looking to buy.
    A 600-point move in the Dow back in '08 was unheard of and indicative that the sky is falling ... these days, it's like, no big deal.
  • Move the Inflation Goal Post to +4.7% Avg - Yellen
    HaHaHa :) WABAC. I think of Pat every time I hear the name Paulson. He should have been president!
    Just so long as he made sure to keep Officer Judy along with him for protection.
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    (Pat Paulsen and Officer Judy made recurring appearances on the Smothers Brothers; two comics with a deadpan approach)

  • A little perspective / The 2000-2002 NASDAQ crash
    “There was a drop of 78.4% from the 5132.52 of March 2000. In October 2002, the NASDAQ was trading at 1108.49.”
    Remember it well. People were freaking out. Be careful out there.
    Source
  • Someone leaked something ! Market hits the pavement again, really nothing new.
    It seems folks are talking past the subject line of this thread. @Derf appears to suggest that a big CPI print to be released on Friday got leaked on Thursday approx 1 hour prior to market close. Not looking for controversies but leaks are disturbing (no leaks = rule of law).
  • Move the Inflation Goal Post to +4.7% Avg - Yellen
    "I’ll take 8% annual inflation and 12% average portfolio returns any day over 2% inflation and negative portfolio returns."
    That's the way that I see it too.
    "One “plus” to inflation is that fixed payments on a 30 year mortgage become less and less onerous over the years as they are repaid with cheaper and cheaper dollars, That’s a big help to young first time home buyers."
    Sure worked for us.
  • Move the Inflation Goal Post to +4.7% Avg - Yellen
    Ha!
    Joe, Janet and Jerome all agree it’s “way too high”. So, perhaps it is. Some of this, however, is political posturing. And Powell may be in sympathy with bankers who don’t like inflation because loans get repaid in cheaper dollars. Who knows?
    I’ll take 8% annual inflation and 12% average portfolio returns any day over 2% inflation and negative portfolio returns. And, as long as wages and benefits (ex-taxes) stay ahead of inflation workers shouldn’t be too unhappy either. One “plus” to inflation is that fixed payments on a 30 year mortgage become less and less onerous over the years as they are repaid with cheaper and cheaper dollars, That’s a big help to young first time home buyers.
  • 2022 YTD Damage
    Fools wade in …
    ISTM that sometimes rights guaranteed by the Constitution conflict with each other. “We the people“ and our legislators and courts need to sort that all out - establish priorities. Before the 2nd Amendment, in both actual placement and in time, is language guaranteeing people the right to life. With 18 year old kids, psychologically disturbed or angry individuals, and every Tom, Dick & Harry running around with military grade weapons capable of firing off 50 or 100 rounds in quick order there can be no guarantee of “life.” So those rights - both guaranteed in the Constitution - are in conflict and need to be resolved by “We the people.” Hell, you wouldn’t hire or trust some of these uneducated idiots to take care of your dog while away on vacation or unclog the toilet in your home. Yet, you allow the fools to go out and buy extremely potent armament. Reason needs to prevail. I taught high school for 29 years. My heart bleeds at the thought of those wonderful innocent children having their brains and guts blown away. These were your future doctors, clergymen, scientists, generals, great artists and thinkers of every type - all blown away in an hour’s time. And - they were somebody’s precious kids and grandchildren.
    Here’s the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution: “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
  • Portfolio Withdrawal Strategies Using Cash, VFSTX and VWINX
    My only concerns with "bucket" suggestions is that I think they underestimate how long the market can be down. While I do not think American Association of Individual Investors (AAII) is helpful most of the time, they did provide simple guidelines for withdrawals. When the SP500 is within 5% of its all time high, take money out of stocks. When it is not use your cash. This avoids selling in a down market
    They think 4 to 5 years cash is enough, but if you go back to 1929 you can see years where the market took 7 to 8 years to recover.
    I would keep at least 6 or 8 years of minimal expenses in cash or short term bonds
    The worst thing that can happen in retirement is to go into it in the middle of a bear market
  • Bloomberg Wall Street Week June 3
    Here is this week's episode

    Hopefully, the date in the subject line does not discourage folks from visiting this thread.
  • Portfolio Withdrawal Strategies Using Cash, VFSTX and VWINX
    I haven't gone to the withdraw side yet, but I did set myself up very much like you @bee. I only set aside 2 years, but I will up it to 3-4 years when I do finally give up my part-time work and start withdrawals. My withdrawal bucket must be more conservative than yours. It's down about 2% YTD. The largest holding is RPHYX, about 40%. I have been pulling money out of the short-term bond holdings and putting it into short term CDs, 3-12 mo durations.
    I like your withdrawal % reduction idea to compensate for loss in the bucket.
  • Portfolio Withdrawal Strategies Using Cash, VFSTX and VWINX
    We all are pretty familiar with the 4% rule which provides a mechanism to adjust one's SWR or "safe withdrawal rate" based on one portfolio value. In a year like this, any percentage withdrawal feels anything but "safe".
    For example, if one started the year with a portfolio value of$1M and took a 4% withdrawal for the up coming year, one would have pulled ($1,000,000* .04) or $40,000. If after that withdrawal one's portfolio fell 20%. That $1M portfolio minus $40,000 (withdrawal) minus a 20% market correction, is now $768,000.
    This math frightens retirees. It's human nature to see this 24.2% portfolio drop as a permanent loss. This can trigger some of us to "sell low" and other poor timing strategies.
    For me, years before pulling from my retirement portfolio, I tried to determine what my yearly withdrawal needs were going to be and decided to separate those 3-5 year needs into lower volatility assets. In a sense, try to insulated these near term withdrawals from near term volatility. I would give up some upside to protect against the downside. So instead of selling equities into down markets, I positioned 3-5 years of withdrawals in assets that were less exposed to equity assets volatility. For me, these lower volatility assets are CASH, ST Bonds (VFSTX), and conservative allocation funds (such as VWINX).
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    I position 20% of my retirement portfolio in low volatility assets. Collectively the losses in these assets YTD has been close to (-6.5%). with this in mind, I have reduced my 4% SWR by 7%. So instead of my normal 4% SWR of $20,0000, I limit myself to 7% less or $18,600. I am hoping it is a helpful adjustment that my budget can handle.
    Any criticisms, comments or strategies welcome.