Recommendations for new fund house? Agree with
@msf. One needs to verify any form of pension related taxation codes for your filing state. I also agree with verifying RMD calculations.
--- Michigan pension taxation recent background:
In 2011, MI Gov. Snyder (R) and company had a grand plan of removing a portion of the MI single business tax; with the theory of more business growth. However, this lost tax revenue had to be recovered from somewhere. A perverted pension taxation plan was hatched for a change of the rules for a segregated portion of the population. So, they went after the "gravy train" of taxable monies; being those born between 1946 and 19
52, and their pension monies. Tis indeed, a mathematically precise target and makes absolute sense in terms of tax revenue generation. The full MI legislative vote had to be settled by a tie breaking vote. The legality of this targeted group taxation was challenged and "voted" as legal by the MI Supreme Court, (R) controlled at the time. The original tax policy is being revisited at this time, for possible revisions.
--- Note: Keep in mind, that among all states; the folks born between 1946 and 19
52 comprised a very large portion of those who have company pensions in Michigan, as a result of the formation of unions related to the large auto industry presence in Michigan. Pension plans moved to many other sectors in Michigan, in order for companies to compete for employees.
--- Relative to the original questions/statements for MI pension taxation is that there is a formula (MI schedule 1) to establish the amount of pension(s), single or joint filing that is/are exempt from MI taxation.
2019 Michigan Pension taxation
Recommendations for new fund house? Reading
@Catch22’s post above …
I assume the
owner of the account (you or I) makes the final decision as to when to take the RMD (in compliance with the governing law). Fido may indeed calculate an amount and send reminders.
Actually, my read of the law is that RMDs do not have to come evenly from various fiduciaries. You are allowed to pick and choose where to take it. I’ve no problem taking distributions from their cash account when / if I decide to do it. Now only 2
5-30% in Traditional IRAs. Pull more out most years than the calculation calls for. Prefer to pay taxes on distributions now and let the Roth grow as a % of invested assets.
Took my RMD early this year for rather complex reasons related to rebalancing. Essentially, through a “merry-go-round”, the proceeds ended up in PRHYX as part of my portfolio’s bond component. (But it’s complicated.)
One further note: We’ve discussed Michigan’s mandatory withholding here before (the “pension tax” as it’s called). ISTM Catch did once report having filed the Michigan W 4-P with one or more of his custodians years ago. And, likely it remains in effect until he changes it. (Obviously, my recollection might be wrong). I’ve always thought TRP was being overly restrictive on that issue.
I’ve read before (but don’t have time to research it) that the state even withholds tax from Roth distributions w/o the W 4P being on file. Completely illogical. Of course you’d get the money back at tax time.
Recommendations for new fund house? Hi hank,
Below are the choices (Fidelity) when one has a RMD from a traditional IRA. We'll have to do the RMD's again for 2021.
This process starts with selecting the "transfer" icon that steps you easily through selecting your traditional IRA account, how much money, which bank or c.u. account to move the monies and tax withholding choices.
Note: the RMD money will come from your "core cash account", so if one's RMD is $
5,000; you'll have to have this amount in your cash account prior to the transfer. In my case for the 2021 RMD, I currently have $104 in cash; so, at some point before April of 2022, I'll have to sell something, which will automatically go to the cash account to accommodate the required RMD amount. ALSO, Fidelity will provide to you, the RMD calculation for your IRA account with them, based upon the value of your IRA account.
Choose your federal tax withholding
The IRS requires Fidelity to use 10% as the default rate for federal taxes.
Federal tax rate, 10% (default)
You can choose to increase this rate or opt out by selecting '0%'. If you opt out, you may need to pay these taxes when you file your tax returns.
Choose your state tax withholding
Based on MI rules, the default state tax rate is 4.25%.
State tax rate
4.25% (default)
You have the option to change this to a higher percentage or opt out.
Recommendations for new fund house? @hank, I believe TMSRX is a TF fund at Fidelity. Even so you can do "automatic investment" at specific amount and date for purchase, $
5 fee. No fee for selling TF funds. Other TRF funds are on no-transaction fee platform. Each brokerage is different on who is or not on NTF platform.
Earlier this year, I purchased TMSRX at Fido with a TF. But after checking on it recently, I see that it is now offered NTF at Fido. Good news for a change!
Recommendations for new fund house? @hank, I believe TMSRX is a TF fund at Fidelity. Even so you can do "automatic investment" at specific amount and date for purchase, $
5 fee. No fee for selling TF funds. Other TRF funds are on no-transaction fee platform. Each brokerage is different on who is or not on NTF platform.
In kind transfer is always free at Fidelity and everything can be done online.
These days I am using more ETFs just to keep thing simpler.
De-accumulation phase Thanks a lot Bee for commenting and correcting me.
Initial withdrawal - 4% annually
Will claim SS at the age of 70 (corrected)
PV - overlooked - based on the historical analysis - value of portfolio increased with 4% withdrawal in the last 5 years. So 1st option is simplest and manageable. Thanks for the backstop provided by Central Banks.
Recommendations for new fund house? +1 I've been using ACSNX PRWBX EALDX and VUSB in this area,with slight allocations to TRBUX and BBBMX as these funds each lost more than 150 basis points in 1Q 2020.
Recommendations for new fund house? Transfers in kind are always free on the receiving end - at least I've never seen anyone list a charge. Charges on the sending side are another matter.
Fund families don't charge fees to transfer out in kind, again AFAIK. Some brokerages do charge - they may have one fee for a partial transfer (i.e. less than all your holdings), another fee for a full transfer, or both or neither. Fidelity charges no outgoing fees. Schwab charges $2
5 for partial in kind, $
50 for a full transfer.
https://www.fidelity.com/why-fidelity/pricing-fees (includes Schwab pricing comparison)
That still beats WellsTrade by a mile - it charges $9
5. Here's a page giving in-kind (ACAT) transfer fees from various brokerages:
https://topratedfirms.com/brokers/fees/brokerage-account-transfer-fees.aspx
Recommendations for new fund house? Appreciate the notes
@mef /
@MikeM,
“D&C funds are transaction fee funds, but once you have positions in the funds at Fidelity (via transfer in kind), it may be possible to add more shares for a $5 fee and sell with no fees.”- Just out of curiosity (being pretty much in the dark) when doing a TIK (transfer in kind) I assume there’s no charge? Or … is the charge waived only for NTIF funds?
- Re PRWCX … Since I have it now in a traditional IRA, may I assume (1) I can do a TIK to fidelity and (2) my ability to buy and sell shares will continue (as long as I don’t close the account) ?
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This will be a gradual process.
The recent issue involved their ignoring the Michigan
W-4P (withholding opt-out form) which I have faithfully completed and mailed to them every January 1 for about a decade (ever since Michigan began mandatory withholding) along with a typewritten letter and list of funds affected.
For whatever reason, yesterday they withheld Michigan tax from one of the two distributions. My transaction was a pretty routine process. Simply exchanging from 2 IRA funds into a single non-retirement money market fund. There’s a check-off box to decline federal w/h - but not for state. According to their phone rep this morning having a W-4P on file is no longer adequate. The distribution request must also be presented to them in a phone call or by letter for the W-4P to be honored. “Why-Oh-Why just the one fund?” (I asked). Why was the second distribution not hit with the same withholding! Answer: “That was a one-time occurrence” (ie: an accident).
At this point I’m holding my breath hoping they don’t go back and pull tax out of the unafflicted fund.
Ahhh …
De-accumulation phase Hello All,
I will be retiring shortly and looking to develop a plan for de-accumulation (HARD).
All of my investments are in tax deferred accounts.
I plan to claim Social security @ the age of 72 (will help me burn tax deferred money, reduce RMD).
Tax bracket will not change = 22% as of now, will convert some to Roth and stay below IRMAA limit.
Plan options:
- I sell 1/10 of monthly expenses from 10 funds even or
- I sell 1/5 of monthly expenses from top performing 5 funds (3 yr returns) or
- I sell 1/5 of monthly expenses from bottom performing 5 funds (3 yr returns)?
- I sell 1/5 of monthly expenses from top performing 5 funds (1 yr return) or
- I sell 1/5 of monthly expenses from bottom performing 5 funds (1 yr return)?
Selling will be every quarter.
Funds are mixture of growth, value, multi-asset/balance and bonds.
I want to make it as mechanical as possible.
What do you think about my options?
Do you have any similar strategy?
Any comment/feedback will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
D
Recommendations for new fund house? Congratulations.
That's too bad about T. Rowe Price. Over the years I've found them extremely helpful, whether it was in setting up my individual 401(k) or with issues in managing it, or in navigating their closed fund rules, or with steps to distribute assets from an estate.
(OTOH, it took me six months to get a correction distribution out of a rollover IRA that came from a 401(k). There had been an excess contribution in the 401(k) that needed to be undone. No institution is perfect.)
As I recall, you have some D&C funds directly with the family. If you want to consolidate them at Fidelity, you may be able to do that without increasing your costs too much. D&C funds are transaction fee funds, but once you have positions in the funds at Fidelity (via transfer in kind), it may be possible to add more shares for a $5 fee and sell with no fees.
You first have to check whether Fidelity allows automatic investments for these funds. It does for most, but not all. To add to your position, you set up a series of automatic investments, then after the first one executes you cancel the rest. This gives you control and costs you $5/buy. Selling is done as usual, by placing a same-day sell order.
Whether it's worth the nominal fee and small lag time in making purchases (automated investments are not supposed to be set up as same-day purchases) is a matter of personal preference.
Wealthtrack - Weekly Investment Show - with Consuelo Mack
DGI Balanced Fund closed to new investors https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1843841/000158064221002475/dgi497s.htm(DGTIX, DGINX, DGIBX)
497 1 dgi497s.htm 497
SUPPLEMENT DATED MAY 24, 2021
TO THE PROSPECTUS
AND STATEMENT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
DATED MAY 21, 2021
OF DGI BALANCED FUND (the “Fund”)
(a series of the DGI Investment Trust)
Effective May 24, 2021, the Fund will be closed to new investors and, except as discussed below, will be closed to new sales until further notice. Existing investors who had a pre-existing periodic investment plan through their individual retirement account (“IRA”) or who submitted a rollover request on or before May 17, 2021 may continue to invest in accordance with that plan or rollover request. Also, existing investors who hold their shares in the Fund through an IRA will continue to have their dividends and other distributions reinvested in the Fund. The Fund may restrict, reject or cancel any purchase order and reserves the right to modify this policy at any time.
Please Retain This Supplement For Future Reference.
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http://www.dgifund.com/
One of my funds has hit rock-bottom (PRAFX) PRAFX is sporting a 1-star rating at Morningstar at this time. Guess that’s due to its only being up 50% over the past year. Don’t intend to sell based on this dismal assessment. Only hold a “smigin” anyway, choosing to complement it with 3 other funds inside my 7.5% allocation to “real assets”. Just points to how crazy the M* ratings can get.
There is no consistent approach in the commodifies / real assets sector. Anything from gold miners
to John Deere farm equipment - and from oil rigs to mobile home parks is fair game for these type of funds and their managers. So trying to award “stars” on some kind of commonality among them is pretty futile.
In contrast, Lipper gives PRAFX the following scores (scale of 1-5)
Total Return 5
Consistent Return 5
Capital Preservation 1
Low Expense 5
Tax Efficiency ) 5
Admittedly, there’s a world of difference between Morningstar’s rating system and the “ranking” by percentiles that Lipper publishes.
Anybody else sitting on a 1-star fund? This is my first ever - based on recollection. No place to go but up …