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Is the Stock Market in a Speculative Bubble? T. Rowe Price CIO Weighs In


In this week's episode of WSJ’s Take On the Week, co-hosts Gunjan Banerji and Telis Demos dive into how, for the first time, brokerages have taken out more than $1 trillion dollars in margin debt to buy stocks and other securities. Next, they chat about Robinhood’s blowout earnings as another sign of market exuberance, and why investors are eagerly awaiting software and data analytics company Palantir's earnings this week.

Then after the break, Sébastien Page, head of global multi-asset and chief investment officer at T. Rowe Price, joins our hosts to chat about why he thinks AI stocks have strong financial and economic positions, and why he believes stocks will still deliver an equity risk premium. Plus, Page shares what he thinks investors could learn from sports psychology.


I hope this is a free link that works to listen or read the transcript. If not, sorry about that!

https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/take-on-the-week/is-the-stock-market-in-a-speculative-bubble-t-rowe-price-cio-weighs-in/3D568963-0B36-43CB-9D86-3F80F342ECBD

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  • edited August 6
    Link works. The entire thesis is exactly where I am at the moment. Leaning into FI, not feeling that equities have a great risk premium right now. Holding cash in lieu of longer bonds. My FI allocation has nearly matched my equity allocation in the first half. I wouldn't be surprised if FI did even better in the 2nd half. Positive on stocks in the medium to long term, not so much the next six months.

    If my view is incorrect, I appear to be in some good company.


    Surprisingly, my individual stock portfolio is my YTD winner with 9.21%. Only one stock in the group (ALL) lags S&P. Four stocks have achieved +25% YTD.

  • @DrVenture- I'm not familiar with the term "FI" in this context... can you please clarify? Thaks-
  • fixed income
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  • Yes, fixed income.
  • edited August 3
    Thanks, guys. I'm losing it for sure. After 86 it's all downhill.  :(
  • speaking of FI, I'm younger but have 97% of the nut in 4.22% mmf at fido
  • While this time it is different than the Dot Com bubble, when most of the big stocks had no earnings, I still think it takes a lot of faith to believe that TSLA for example is going to "grow into" it's PE of 180 or PLTR grow fast enough to make it's current PE of over 600 a reasonable investment. These are gambling numbers

    While I detest Zuk and will never own META, it and MSFT are more "reasonably overvalued" at 27 and 38.

    I cannot easily understand how AI will make them so much money. Do they really have so many low rated coders that they can all be replaced?

    If they are selling AI to other companies would you trust META with your sales data customer preferences etc? Many of these pie in the sky projections are just guesses. Look at ORCL, the stock has exploded, but the much touted Cerner acquisition is not why. You would think that a premier software company like ORCL would have been able to make this work, but they apparently are still getting beaten by a private company EPIC.

  • user on both ends, epic is crap for both healthcare staff and patients.
    this tells all needed regarding how bad cerner remains, and why it is naive to think a pure tech acquirer is capable of helping. but rest assured oracle contributed to new pricing models.
  • I have used both as MD and patient, although I haven't used Cerner since 2020

    Back then Cerner was far easier to deal with as a provider, and Epic was far far too complicated. EHRs were designed as billing and revenue capturing platforms not to enhanced providers or patients experience. Once Bush crammed them down our throats, there was no way to win.
  • edited August 6
    Thanks @rforno for the heads-up. The transcript surfaced for me, but not the audio. However, I used my Audible account to listen to the podcast (free).

    What a gifted / smooth speaker Page is! I think he could sell ice to the proverbial Eskimo. Great analogy about driving home after too many drinks. Similar to one I’ve used before about crossing a deep lake on half-an-inch of ice. In both cases, you’ll probably make it safely 90+% of the time. But it doesn’t necessarily mean you made a “smart” decision. Page ties all this back to risk-taking in your investments.

    Sebastian Page: Head of Global Multi-Asset and Chief Investment Officer at T. Rowe Price. Also an accomplished author.

    Link to some bio. Would like to learn more about Page - especially his educational background if anyone has it.

    Brief excerpt (Linkedin): ”Outside of the office, you’ll find me consuming books, podcasts, studies, and more—anything I can get my hands on that will inform not only my perspective on investing and leadership, but a wide range of interests from philosophy, science, writing, work-life balance, and more. I’m an avid runner and my morning usually consists of a good run while listening to a book or podcast.”

    Is the stock market in a speculative bubble? I don’t know. Certainly possible. In keeping with Page’s drinking / driving analogy, it’s ”sobering” for many of us to reflect on some of the tough times we’ve lived through like the dot-com mania & crash, ‘87’s one day “flash-crash”, the ‘07-‘09 downdraft - and even 2022. Things happen.

  • edited August 6
    Old_Joe said:

    @DrVenture- I'm not familiar with the term "FI" in this context... can you please clarify? Thanks-

    FI (80 meanings)
  • @hank- just what I needed. I'm trying to remember just one, and not doing too good at that.
  • Old_Joe said:

    @hank- just what I needed. I'm trying to remember just one, and not doing too good at that.

    Yes. Me too. In that case I suggest you just go with #7 on the list, “Forget It”. :)

  • Saw a quip today, don't rightly remember where but possibly SA which stated that institutional investors are selling in the afternoon what the retail investors are buying in the morning. Anyone else noticing this?
  • Mark said:

    Saw a quip today, don't rightly remember where but possibly SA which stated that institutional investors are selling in the afternoon what the retail investors are buying in the morning. Anyone else noticing this?

    Back when I was daytrading futures that was often the case and commonly accepted knowledge. Retail folks usually bought @ the open either b/c they heard something on the radio/news or they had put an order in the night before when markets were closed, so they fired right at 0930.

    I rarely buy at the open, but will often sell then ... if I haven't done so in the premarket.

    Depending what I'm doing, sometimes I get better prices buying/selling during the 7-9AM or 5-8PM windows which not many retail folks tend to use. (It does feel odd to hear the 'ding' of an occasional transaction come from the other room at say, 708AM or 724PM lol)
  • edited August 7
    Mark said:

    Saw a quip today, don't rightly remember where but possibly SA which stated that institutional investors are selling in the afternoon what the retail investors are buying in the morning. Anyone else noticing this?

    Interesting observation @Mark. Don’t know. Whacky markets for sure. GDL which I sold this morning seemed to fit that pattern recently. Steady or rising most of the day than sharp pull-backs at day’s end. But my more diversified CEF collection has been flat-lining recently. Not much excitement no matter time of day.

    I follow Fleckenstein - have for years. He’s of the “bubble” school of thought, but thinks the insanity could go on for years before a break. Market’s too dangerous in his view to short. Still likes the miners even at these levels as they lagged the metal on the way up. In general, I want nothing to do with either. A couple of my funds, however, hold 5-10% of the glittery stuff.
  • edited August 7
    @rforno - same. Works well with single equities, not so much with CEF's.

    @hank - my equity CEF's have pretty much been a mixed bag of going nowhere in comparison to everyday ETF's. CPZ has been a standout so far and I hold nothing else like it. AIO became too stretched and in view of the fact that its major holdings were duplicated in my tech-related ETF's I sold it about 2 weeks ago but will consider repurchasing should it swoon. On the other hand THQ (healthcare) is still trolling the bottom of the barrel looking for footing. Sold it a week ago and I'm already up over a buck/share. Should have sold as soon as numnuts RFK Jr. was appointed secretary of health. What a disgrace to the legacy of his father/family. Whatever happened to 4 main ethical principles/tenets of healthcare, especially malfeasance?
  • edited August 7
    @Mark - Thanks. CPZ is a good fund. Owned it early on in the CEF basket (March /April), but it went out the window when I decided to dampen down the risk - leaning a bit more towards fixed income. I’ve long held CPLSX run by the same firm (Calamos). It’s been a steady eddy and less volitile than CPZ. Today my top 2 CEFs were ETJ (+1%) and MCN (+.90%). A revolving door for sure. And agree on health care. Have held BME for a while. The lower it falls, the better I like it. Blackrock’s a good money manager.
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