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China won 2025 trade war

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/31/trump-china-trade-war-tariffs.html

"Washington turned to tariffs and tightened access to advanced technology early in the year, assuming China’s slowing growth and overextended property sector would make it an easy target and would force quick concession. It didn’t. Beijing absorbed the shock and retaliated with a master class in economic statecraft and policy discipline. Controls on rare-earth exports were applied with precision where U.S. defense and automobile manufacturers remained deeply reliant and vulnerable. Customs and regulatory friction appeared dialed up just enough to induce pain without provoking panic. And Chinese exporters diverted flows through Southeast Asia and Mexico, dulling the effects of tariffs even as headline restrictions intensified.

The numbers tell the story. As we ended November, China’s goods trade surplus had climbed past the $1 trillion mark for the first time, illustrating how external demand continued to power growth despite American pressure."

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  • I assume that any further weakening of the U.S. economy will make our decision makers very eager to put a bandage on this self-inflicted wound.

  • am by no stretch a china optimist (especially for foreign investors), but they have been playing checkers while the gop have been playing with\for themselves. america has only leveled the field regarding corruption.

    am much more optimistic regarding japan, SK.
  • edited January 1
    https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/01/us-grants-tsmc-licence-to-import-us-chipmaking-tools-into-china.html

    U.S. grants TSMC annual licence to import U.S. chipmaking tools into China

    Not the most advanced chips, but still an olive branch.

    The wins for China keep coming. It is hard to see this as anything but China's strategy working exactly as planned, and the U.S. realizing that the hardline policies are not working.
  • a2z said:


    am by no stretch a china optimist (especially for foreign investors), but they have been playing checkers while the gop have been playing with\for themselves. america has only leveled the field regarding corruption.

    am much more optimistic regarding japan, SK.

    I have no opinion on China's economy or investing in China. But, as far as the U.S. playing by "China rules", it certainly appears to be heading in that direction.

  • China has been planning since Trump’s first term. They know US ‘s weakness on critical metals snd supply chain and use it to their advantages. Tariffs only plays into their hands. Chips and others tariffs are postponed till 2027. Badically, US has no leverage.

    Peter Navarro is no match to China’s experienced trading team.
  • Peter Navarro is just another trump clown.
  • a2z
    edited January 1
    yep. i used 'checkers' because it doesnt require any complex scenario vs the gop braintrust.
    they have aspirational economic wishes with no ability for a viable strategy nor execution...plus kleptocracy keeps them fairly busy.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/12/31/us/trump-deals-policy-conflicts-web.html?unlocked_article_code=1.BFA.Gt6z.bkmB6UaGXW-m
  • edited January 3
    China's economy isn't that bright.

    https://rhg.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Chinas-Economy-Rightsizing-2025-Looking-Ahead-to-2026.pdf
    actual 2025 growth fell short of 3% again, with a
    strong first half and then a badly down-sloping second half. With late-2025 growth
    sputtering around 1%
    and a charm offensive aiming to encourage American hopes
    for a great power deal, Beijing is talking loudly about supporting domestic growth
    in 2026. But domestic growth hasn’t stalled for want of talk: Pledges have been
    abundant, yet China remains dependent on a trillion-dollar (and growing) trade
    surplus that steals growth from others. For domestic demand to lift China above
    2% GDP growth in 2026, Beijing must reverse the systemic causes of household
    and business malaise or pile on costly demand subsidies


    ==========================

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-factory-output-retail-sales-weaken-november-2025-12-15/
    Summary
    Factory output, retail sales grow at weakest pace in over a year
    Data highlight weak domestic demand, record trade surplus
    Policymakers face rising calls to reduce export reliance
    China growth expected to remain weak in 2026

    ============================
    The economist
    https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/12/30/chinas-property-woes-could-last-until-2030

    https://www.economist.com/the-world-ahead/2025/11/12/the-chinese-economy-will-slow-in-the-year-ahead

  • a2z said:

    yep. i used 'checkers' because it doesnt require any complex scenario vs the gop braintrust.
    they have aspirational economic wishes with no ability for a viable strategy nor execution...plus kleptocracy keeps them fairly busy.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/12/31/us/trump-deals-policy-conflicts-web.html?unlocked_article_code=1.BFA.Gt6z.bkmB6UaGXW-m

    Precisely, China is playing 3-D checkers. Navarro and the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight are still trying to figure out how to place the checkers on the board.

    This recent article shows that China has no intention of playing by anyone else rules in this trade war. They intend to use this as an opportunity to re-map the playing field. Not a great sign for the "they need us and will cave any minute now" narrative.

    https://asiatimes.com/2026/01/china-slashes-hundreds-of-tariffs-in-strategic-trade-war-twist/

    "Beginning January 1, China will reduce import duties on 935 items to levels below Most-Favored-Nation rates. While such moves are often framed as technical administrative updates, the specific composition of this list suggests a deeper strategic recalibration.

    Beijing is not pursuing a broad policy of trade liberalization; rather, it is implementing a targeted opening designed to secure the critical inputs necessary for industrial self-reliance

    All indications are that they are preparing for a lengthy fight.
  • A bit more; "By lowering barriers to high-tech components and advanced materials now, China is acting to fortify its industrial base before any potential shifts in the geopolitical weather. This is a policy of preemptive resilience."
  • edited January 3
    "Beijing is well aware that the “Busan Consensus” is a tactical truce rather than a permanent settlement. Consequently, it is using this window to accelerate the acquisition of technologies it cannot yet produce at scale."

    The unexpected consequence is that rather than work with a low cost supplier, we have assisted in helping to increase their exports, and hasten the creation of a stronger, more agile adversary and competitor.
  • Old_Joe said:

    Peter Navarro is just another trump clown.

    Navarro seems driven by emotion, and of limited vision. China appears to have a strong bench, as it pertains to strategic trade. The phrase "poking the bear" comes to mind.



  • edited January 3
    As such, I would not expect any positive movement in resolving this issue, that is having such a deleterious impact on input costs of so many small, and large businesses, in the U.S. While China has many domestic economic challenges, they appear to be laying he groundwork to significantly reduce any leverage that we hold over them in regard to trade.
  • edited January 3
    I wonder if the next move from Navarro, Bessent and the gang is another overture or olive branch, to try and entice China back to the table? Which would, of course, be viewed by China as further weakness.
  • One of the most inexplicable events of Trump 1 and Trump 2 is how on earth did Navarro, a washed up lousy economist at a minor school get to have so much influence.

    Especially since he fancies himself as a "China Hawk".

    But then he also believed hydroxycholoquine was effective and the 2020 election was stolen.

    His only redeeming factor in my opinion is of all these clowns he is the only one who did jail time.

    A close second in the first term is elevating Atlas, a radiologist, as a public health and Covid expert.

    I would love to hear the private opinions of these choices from Chinese officials. They must be splitting a gut laughing
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