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I agree with the general view that, as cman put it, this planner sounds like a used car salesman. For two reasons: the annuity suggestion and more importantly the pressure to invest now.
However, I'm not ready to condemn the rest. Had the annuity suggestion come with a discussion of how income might be coordinated with Social Security, how much was needed at what time, this could have been a reasonable discussion and proposal.
"In this day and age", people are getting pushed into wrap accounts, typically costing 1%/year. Compared to this, a portfolio of American Funds A shares could look like a positive bargain. The front end load, once paid, is done with. If you switch from one American Fund mutual fund to another, there is no additional charge.
Further, the family seems to give breakpoints based on total AUM (excluding MMF), not just investment in the fund being purchased. It shouldn't take many years before an American Funds portfolio (A shares) comes out less expensive than one managed as a newfangled wrap account.
The shares the planner was recommending were A shares. These have a 3.75% (or less) front end load. B shares are no longer offered by American Funds.
The fact that 3.75% was mentioned as the load for these shares says that we're talking about less than a $100K total investment (across all American Fund mutual funds). Because that's where the load drops to 2.5%.
I'm curious about the 75/25 recommendation. That's more aggressive than "conventional wisdom" suggests. Not that I necessarily disagree with it, but rather that it could suggest that the friend needed hefty returns for retirement. But that seems to contradict the comment that she was in good shape due to the life insurance policy. Perhaps this indicates the planner wasn't paying attention (which would be enough to rule him out), or perhaps there are other issues we don't know about.
In any case, it sounds like there's a fair amount of miscommunication going on.
I had a similar reaction to the taxable account issue. (Glad you jumped in first to serve as the lightning rod :-))@willmatt72
A note about the taxable status of the majority of the monies.
Add this to your list of things to do :) ......
Fidelity Personal Retirement Annuity
The above link is an overview with some other internal links and a short video.
This link is for the investment choices within the annuity.
Normally, I am not a fan of annuities; as sold by insurance companies. However, if our house were to inherit a sum of money beyond our current needs, we would fully review the above annuity plan in order to defer taxation. A few notes from my recall about this product......55 fund choices, no brokerage feature (so no stock, etf, index or other vendor funds available, except the few along with the Fidelity choices). The cost of the annuity is .25% added to the expense ratio of a given fund. No surrender or holding periods that lock up the money at a cost, as is common with annuities. Review the exchange restrictions among the funds; as there are limits as to how often one may move monies around within the annuity.
Fidelity is not the only company to offer a similar plan; but I don't have that MFO discussion at hand and short of time today.
The short term downside for this would be the taxation of the sale of current holdings in order to fund such a plan.
Anyhoo........perhaps something to review relative to your circumstance.
Take care of you and yours,
Catch
Hi Mike - I don't think my statements are contradictory at all. Sure, a balanced fund can lose 25% in one year, but if you use it with more conservative investments, then the 25% becomes a loss of 10-15%. Obviously, I would not put all my eggs in one fund, such as VWENX. That doesn't make sense based on my goals.I re-read your original post a couple times and I think there are two statements you made that make what you are asking contradictory. For one, you ask what is the acceptable risk for a 49 year old 15 years from retirement. By the book, you should be much more aggressive than 35% equities. Maybe 2x as much. But then you already limited yourself by saying you will not accept a 12 month draw-down of 25%. Most moderate balanced funds did drop ~25% in 2008.
So, what is your goal, an acceptable risk portfolio to grow your wealth 15 years from retirement or a sleep easy risk level because you already have the funds needed for retirement if you just keep principle plus keep up with inflation? To be honest, 1.1M sounds pretty good now, but it won't be all that great retiring with that in 2029 when you still may have 40 years to live.
You may have to better understand your goals and your retirement needs and maybe accept that a draw-down is part of investing long term. 15 years out you may need to accept that fact. 10 years out recalculate where you are. 5 years out of retirement - you need to reassess again.
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