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  • RiverPark Short Term High Yield Fund re-opening to new investors
    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1494928/000139834423019124/fp0085616-2_497.htm
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    RiverPark Funds Trust
    RiverPark Short Term High Yield Fund
    Institutional Class (RPHIX)
    Retail Class (RPHYX)
    Supplement dated October 10, 2023 to the Summary Prospectus, Prospectus and Statement of Additional Information ("SAI") dated January 26, 2023.
    This supplement provides new and additional information beyond that contained in the Summary Prospectus, Prospectus and SAI and should be read in conjunction with the Summary Prospectus, Prospectus and SAI.
    IMPORTANT NOTICE ON PURCHASE OF FUND SHARES
    Effective as of 9 a.m. on October 11, 2023 (the "Opening Date"), Retail and Institutional Class Shares of the RiverPark Short Term High Yield Fund (the "Fund") are open to purchase by all investors without restriction.
    The Fund reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to reject any purchase order. Sales of Retail Class Shares and Institutional Class Shares of the Fund may be restricted or reopened in the future.
    PLEASE RETAIN THIS SUPPLEMENT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
  • within a hair's width of a massive misjudgment: a cautionary tale
    Several people have commented in other posts about cumulative performance figures being distorted by a recent year's hot performance ("what have you done for me lately"), including Prof. Snowball, me, and others.
    In Prof. Snowball's piece (linked to above, and here), he praises BRUFX by looking at "three metrics across more meaningful stretches: multiple decades, full market cycles and the last two market crashes." BRSVX hasn't been around nearly as long as BRUFX; it started in Oct 2003. With this limitation in mind, here are the data for AVALX, PVFIX, BRSVX. I included IJS (S&P 600 value ETF) as a benchmark in the Portfolio Visualizer link for each period but did not transcribe its figures below.

    Period CAGR Std Dev Sharpe Ratio
    AVALX PVFIX BRSVX AVALX PVFIX BRSVX AVALX PVFIX BRSVX
    15 yr 11.02% 5.54% 9.51% 28.77% 10.78% 22.81% 0.75 0.69 0.72
    Full Cycle 2007-2020
    6.81% 4.59% 5.24% 28.18% 10.20% 21.97% 0.35 0.41 0.30
    Down Cycle 2007-2009
    -5.09% 2.65% -9.59% 36.83% 11.35% 28.03% -0.01 0.11 -0.37
    Looking at these broader picture numbers, it seems not so much that BRSVX benefited from one hot year, but rather that it doesn't do quite so well in down years. Comparing the BRSVX with AVALX not by a calendar year (i.e. 2020), but trough to peak (roughly 3/19/20 - 6/4/21), one sees similar performance though following different paths.
    http://stockcharts.com/h-perf/ui?s=BRSVX&compare=AVALX&id=p85687049134
    It's in the latter half of 2021, when the market turned and AVALX's greater volatility worked to its detriment that the funds diverged radically.
    https://stockcharts.com/h-perf/ui?s=BRSVX&compare=AVALX,IJS&id=p37670197904
    PVFIX is certainly a steady performer. But at a cost of way underperforming in good years. From its chart (see the 15 year performance link above), it almost looks like a SCV cousin of RPHYX - ridiculously steady relative to peers. Something I value in a "near cash" fund. But in an equity fund, my personal risk tolerance is a bit higher than that.
    If you like AVALX, did you look into DFFVX? A clone of it is available in variable annuities, e.g. TIAA. So unlike the Fidelity fund that is used only internally by Fidelity, some investors could access this fund (sort of).
  • 10-Year Closing in on 1.5% (OP) - Blows Right Past - Near 5% (30 months later) - Whee!
    @MikeM : Main point , after many years in the wrong category it went from 1* to 3* !
    I'm not complaining as I do own a small slice of RPHYX.
    I see Buffalo kicked the snot out of Miami ! Maybe , just maybe it's their year to take the Lombardi trophy home ?!
    A star is just a star, Derf
  • 10-Year Closing in on 1.5% (OP) - Blows Right Past - Near 5% (30 months later) - Whee!
    Forgot to mention, now THREE STAR !!!
    @Derf, 3 stars is a comparison to the rest of the high yield category, which has had a great year but is as risky a bond category as there is. The low volatility RPHYX is definitely mis-categorized, but M* has to put it somewhere.
    RPHYX has a total return of 5.3% in the past year. My memory isn't great, but I don't think anyone was buying 1 year CD's at 5.3% last October.
  • ByeBye ZEOIX and ZSRIX
    focus only on bonds that are very close to maturity
    That seems a bit excessive. Even MMFs can have debt that doesn't mature for 397 days. One only needs enough liquidity to meet redemptions. The SEC is increasing liquidity requirements for MMFs from 10% to 25% for daily liquidity and from 30% to 50% for weekly liquidity. MMFs are not entirely liquid; they don't have to be.
    https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2023-15124/p-453
    Average effective maturity of RPHYX is around 5 months. This is significantly longer than MMFs. I'm not suggesting otherwise, just that the portfolio has adequate assets close enough to maturity to address concerns. Probably :-)
    FWIW, ZEOIX has an "average life" of 2.34 years. Quite a difference.
    https://riverparkfunds.com/assets/pdfs/rpsthyf/RiverPark_Short_Term_High_Yield_Fund_Fact_Sheet.pdf
    https://www.osterweis.com/mutual_funds/short_duration_credit/portfolio
    RPHIX has an additional out - it can reopen the fund. Currently it is soft closed - a new investor can open an account only directly with the fund.
  • 10-Year Closing in on 1.5% (OP) - Blows Right Past - Near 5% (30 months later) - Whee!
    @MikeM I just had to check it out, 3.78 ytd. RPHYX I'll let someone else figure out CD & treasuries.
    Forgot to mention, now THREE STAR !!!
  • 10-Year Closing in on 1.5% (OP) - Blows Right Past - Near 5% (30 months later) - Whee!
    @carew388 also had it right back in March:
    "I'm sticking with RPHYX for now..."
    I believe he was talking in comparison to other bond funds, but I believe RPHYX has out performed CDs and treasuries over the past year too (maybe?).
  • ByeBye ZEOIX and ZSRIX
    bonds are higher up than stocks in terms of principal protection
    This sort of principal protection concerns bankruptcy. When a company goes bust, whatever assets it has go first toward paying off debt (bond holders). If the company has anything left over (i.e. if it's net value is positive), the remainder goes to stock holders.
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    There's also income protection - bond holders get paid interest (if possible); only if there is money left do stockholders get paid divs.
    TFCVX (Focused Credit Fund) owners were hurt when it was forced into fire sales because people wanted to redeem shares and the mostly illiquid bond assets could not be sold except at huge discounts.
    Liquidity Risk. Liquidity risk exists when particular investments are difficult to sell. The Fund may not be able to sell these investments at the best prices or at the value the Fund places on them. Investments in private debt instruments, restricted securities, and securities having substantial market and/or credit risk may involve greater liquidity risk.
    Summary Prospectus, 2014
    Nevertheless, it ultimately had an 85% recovery rate. This was helped by closing down redemptions to allow it to sell off assets gradually at better prices.
    https://focusedcreditfund.com/
    https://www.morningstar.com/funds/third-avenue-focused-credit-abruptly-shuttered
    M* didn't help: ZEOIX AUM $73.5 million, M* 1*; Negative
    M* groups RPHYX and ZEOIX, two short term HY funds, with "regular" (intermediate/long term) HY funds. That results in lower star ratings than they deserve and a negative medalist rating. But that doesn't seem to have hurt RPHYX.
    ZEOIX always had risk. @dtconroe noted in Jan 2020 that "in the toughest downmarket for the 2 funds (2015/2016), RPHYX showed almost no dip, compared to a slight dip for ZEOIX". That was posted just before this greater risk was dramatically brought home. Between Feb 21, 2020 and March 24, 2020, ZEOIX lost 14.1% vs. a 2.8% loss by RPHYX. (JNK dropped 21.1%).
    Still, it wasn't until 4Q 2022 that assets left in droves (from M*'s ZEOIX performance page). Not because the fund underperformed its category (top quartile for the year, per M*). Perhaps because that's when the fund was sold to Osterweis.
  • ZEOIX
    Interestingly, there was a lot of discussion on ZEOIX back in 2020 as a "cash alternative". It was being compared to RPHYX in a positive manner. Coincidently, RPHYX was re-opening at that time after being closed for quite a while.
    Type ZEOIX into the search bar and review all the chatter just a few years ago.
  • CrossingBridge Funds 2Q23 Commentary
    Thanks, @Davidsherman, for the responses.
    Is it fair to say CBUDX is the house version / equivalent of RPHYX?
  • CrossingBridge Funds 2Q23 Commentary
    Hi folks. I encourage you reaching out directly of Mr. Snowball can arrange an MFO call. Regardless, let me take this moment to quickly respond.
    Bobby: Not sure when RiverPark Short Term High Yield (RPHIX, RPHYX) commentary will some out as it is in the RiverPark hands. That said, the basic commentary will remain. As for your yield question - not 9%! I don't believe yield-to-worst or yield-to-maturity are figures readily provided as they can be very misleading since a significant portion of the the Fund rolls into cash every 30 days so a price can make a big yield impact with so little time remaining on the life of the holdings that a position(s) can impact the yield calculation. Below are some figures for June 30th (unaudited):
    38% portfolio rolling off in 30 days or less
    62% portfolio rolling off greater than 30 days
    57% portfolio rolling off within 90 days
    7.32% yield-to-worst on holdings greater than 30 days
    Weighted average yield on purchases during the month was 5.88% with 2.2 month maturity.
    Feel free to reach out to me directly if you need a further xplanation.
    BaluBalu: Patience is a virtue. We don't like chasing the market. CMBS started to run (a little bit) post our 1Q letter. We will add as opportunity arises but price matters. Also, the opportunity should be around for some time. We expect the portfolios will continue to add,
    Junkster:
    Ed Shagrue is a seasoned veteran and thoughtful in the CMBS space. Although I do not own his Fund, I respect him. You should reach out to him.
    I want to reiterate a comment in the 2Q commentary:
    With respect to the portfolio, we remain nimble. At the end of 2Q23, we had elevated levels of “dry powder”. If high yield spreads tighten and the market rallies, we may increase our level of dry powder to take advantage of what we believe will be a correction thereafter. We had a healthy position in leveraged loans and are looking to add. At the same time, we are selectively nibbling in the CMBS market. Based on our expectation of increasing volatility, the portfolios are likely to continue experiencing above normal turnover as we adapt to reflect the changing environment.
  • CrossingBridge Funds 2Q23 Commentary
    Thanks @davidsherman. It was a little "wonky" for me :). Lots of acronyms. But as long as you understand the environment, that's good for me. I hold RPHYX and SPC in my safe-withdrawal bucket, along with a bunch of treasuries. Keep up the good work!
  • CrossingBridge Funds 2Q23 Commentary
    A little complicated but appreciate you not dumbing it down for your investors. So bonds will be issued to be paid for leveraged loans that are out there.
    I'm sure it'll be addressed in 2Q RPHYX commentary but it is right to assume the portfolio is yielding almost 9% currently?
  • "the dash for trash"
    RPHYX is closed to new investors.
  • "the dash for trash"
    I added SPC to my conservative withdrawal bucket pretty much at inception. It now makes up about 20% of that account, about 2x as much as RPHYX at 10%. It's on pace to make 6-7% this year. Not sure you can find a more consistent trend up than SPC since Sept. 2022. I bought in because I trust the manager.
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    @davidsherman….not @MikeM, but he was talking ~1 month returns for both RPHYX and SAMBX, I believe (thread started on May 14th).
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    @MikeM...not sure how or where you are calculated RPHYX returns for 2023YTD. But, Morningstar has RPHYX up 2.15% which coincides with my calculations.
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    As we've talked through this thread for almost 1 month, the 2 bond funds I have in my conservative withdrawal bucket are both doing as well or better than treasuries since the start of the thread. RPHYX up .46% for the month. SAMBX up .86% in that time. Albeit at greater risk than treasuries.
    edit: 60% of this account is still in treasuries or CDs. No denying they are still a great option.
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?

    s-l-o-w-l-y try to explain why an investor, going forward, should invest in either taxable or municipal bond funds in their portfolio's fixed income sleeve instead of say, 5-yr, 4.50%, non-callable CDs.
    But please leave out the widely understood part about past performance being no guarantee of future results. Got that part.
    s-l-o-w-l-y? I don't know how one writes slowly, but if you're asking for gory details, I'm happy to oblige.
    Let's start with the question. It gives as one option a 5-yr, 4.5% non-callable CD. Even non-callable CDs may be redeemed early by a debtor. Should a bank fail (no longer an unexpected event), high yielding CDs may be redeemed by the FDIC or reset to a lower rate by an acquiring bank.
    Thus actual rate of return, though highly likely to be as stated, is not certain. Some posters have addressed this risk by saying they would only buy CDs from well-managed banks. You did not. (I discovered that by reading your post s-l-o-w-l-y.)
    The question carries an implicit assumption that an investor is absolutely certain that they will not want to withdraw money early. Any possibility of pulling money out would expose the investor to the same interest rate risk as experienced by a bond fund.
    Further, the investor would have less flexibility in selling off a CD (basically, all or nothing on a per-CD basis) as opposed to a bond fund where one can sell as little as 0.001 shares. In addition, the investor would take a big hit on the bid-ask spread that isn't present when selling bond fund shares.
    So already we have a reason - flexibility - for an investor to consider using a bond fund rather than a CD with the same (or even marginally lower) expectation value of rate of return. Maybe you wouldn't, but the question was asked about any investor.
    That brings us to the expected rate of return going forward. As explained (slowly) above, aside from minor risks expected rate of return is pretty well though not quite 100% certain for the CD. The challenge is to figure out at a minimum what the expected rate of return of a bond fund is. Ideally one would want to estimate not only the expected return but the dispersion of possible outcomes. That plays into risk analysis, which I'll (slowly) get to.
    What you did was look at past 5 year returns. In do so, you acknowledged but disregarded the fact that past returns may be poor predictors of future returns. Putting that problem aside, you also disregarded that fact that all rates were lower over the past five years than they are now. One could make at least a passing attempt at compensating for this this by looking at 5 year CD rates 5 years ago vs. now and adjusting the question's comparison accordingly.
    According to depositaccounts.com, 5 years ago the best one could do was about 3.3%, while now it is, as you stated, about 4.5%. So if we use your method of estimating bond fund returns going forward based on past performance, we should adjust those past performance figures upward by about 1.2%. I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader.
    But situations change, and as already noted, past returns may be poor predictors.
    bond funds returning 7%-8% over any LT period of time ... just doesn't happen.
    This is easy to disprove by counter example. It does sometimes happen. From inception (12/31/1986) through the end of 2002, VBMFX had an annualized return of 7.85%. More generally, looking at 10 year rolling averages, AAA corporate bonds had annualized returns ranging between 7.30% and 11.29%(!) for every 10 year period ending between 1975 and 2000. So, over a period of at least 30 years (three non-overlapping ten year periods between 1965 and 1995) the average return on AAA corporates was more than 7.3%. That seems long term enough.
    Baa corporates did even better. Their 10 year average rate of return surpassed 7.26% every 10 year period ending between 1973 and 2005, topping out at a 10 year average return of 12.84%. Interested in T-bonds? The same analysis shows that 10 year T-bonds had ten year rolling average returns exceeding 7.12% for every period ending between 1984 and 2002.
    Source is spreadsheet from NYU/Stern, whose ultimate data source is FRED.
    Even though you asked for an explanation given s-l-o-w-l-y, I can understand your quick and dirty search for 5 year bond fund returns. I can understand your saying that there were 1921 funds even though 138 of them didn't have five year records. I can understand your excluding the 114 funds that are closed at Fidelity, even if some of them were open five years ago.
    I can understand your using Fidelity's screener though it gives fewer than half the number taxable bond funds with 5 year records that Portfolio Visualizer's screener returns. Because a reasonable (though unverified) assumption is that the funds currently open and sold by Fidelity are representative of all the bond funds available five years ago.
    But when it comes to expected returns going forward, one is going to have to do better than assert 7%-8% LT returns just don't happen.
    So far, most of what I've done is explain why some of the data presented is either unhelpful, biased, or simply wrong. I've also provided one rationale for preferring bond funds to broker-sold CDs, viz. flexibility.
    Implicit in your reasoning (and that of most others) is that investors are risk averse. Someone who is truly risk indifferent will consider a bond fund with an expected 4.5% return to be just as good - not better, not worse - than a CD at that rate. (As I explained before, given the additional risk of possibly needing access to the money, someone who is risk indifferent would demand a higher rate from the CD than from the bond fund.)
    An investor who is only slightly risk averse will not need a much higher expected rate of return to choose the bond fund. So the question comes down to: what is a reasonable expectation for five year returns of some bond funds? Past performance used blindly clearly is not a good approach to answer this; there have been extended periods of time when bonds have returned well in execess of 7%. It could happen again.
    The question is not what has happened before, but what (and why) one expects going forward.
    Others have offered some explanations for better returns going forward - based on their expectations for interest rates. I could dig up a bunch of papers explaining that over particular long terms, what one should expect from bond funds (total return) is determined by their current yields. That's how I look at bond funds, assuming that I'll hold for a long period of time.
    Checking out current SEC yields, it's not hard to find several familiar funds yielding above 4.5%. Many multisector funds sport yields above 6% (i.e. 1.5% or more above the CD) such as DBLNX (8.69%) and MWFSX (7.69%). PIMIX (5.86%) comes in just below 6%, but still well above the CD rate. The core plus fund TGLMX has a 6.17% yield. Even a fund as conservative as FCNVX has a yield above 5% and can serve as a dynamic (flexible) cash backup.
    (These are not recommendations; just a listing a few familiar funds.)
    We've seen this question before: RPHYX/RPHIX vs. 6 mo T-bills. As here, I used current data, not past performance (i.e. 2022 or earlier). What one gleans from past performance is general behavior of a fund, not performance that can be easily extrapolated.
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    But please leave out the widely understood part about past performance being no guarantee of future results. Got that part.
    Ok, but that's exactly what you based your whole argument on. Past 3-5 year performance.
    I do agree with everyone else though that with CD's at 5%, it's hard to take on more risk to get 6, 7 or 8% as rates plateau or start to come down. But it may be close to that time IMHO. I do believe the next 3-5 years will not look like the past 3-5 years. Extrapolate YTD returns on some of these funds now and it shows returns growing greater than 5% for the year.
    The only bond fund I've held on to over the past couple years is in my withdrawal bucket, RPHYX. I recently added RGHYX and SAMBX to that bucket in small dosage. A couple TIP funds too, but that bucket still consist of more than 50% in 3-12 month treasuries, CDs and MM. I'll add, because it's not talked about much, also a nice consistent player in this bucket has been SPC, Crossing Bridge Pre-Merger SPAC ETF.